Guns are far weaker than melee attacks

>Guns are far weaker than melee attacks

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it makes sense though

a tiny piece of metal going through you does less damage than my knife slicing open your neck you ignorant turd

>Le jaded about game stereotypes

Fuck you are dull

>knife to the back is instant kill

It can make sense depending on the context. Take DMC3 for example. Shooting a demon in the face with a gun is going to do some damage, but cutting it in half outright is probably a bit more effective. Especially when combined with the main character's inherent abilities that naturally don't effect how much damage a bullet will do.

Generally speaking, melee weapons can be way more devastating than guns. Getting shot in the arm is damaging, but someone taking an axe to your arm can lead to outright severing it. It just depends on how the game contextualizes it.

>Bladed weapons are far weaker than blunt ones

If someone is wearing proper armor I could see that making sense. Trying to slash at someone with a sword who is in like, a full suit of armor is probably going to be less effective that hammering them in the face with a blunt object that would rattle their whole skull.

Depending on the caliber it's probably less hurtful to be shot than chopped with a sword, stabbed with a knife, clubbed with a hammer etc

A bullet to the neck would kill you way faster than a slash to the neck would. Especially if the bullet clears to the other side.

Was gonna say this.
As an aside automatic rifles should just obliterate everyone with ease but that's no fun.
I can understand something like arma but for the vast majority of games realism would just ruin everything.

Dying light in a way.
Guns just make things escalate

purely from a balance perspective and even then.

>Guns are strong as if-not stronger than melee attacks
>But melee attacks can inflict various status effects and skills that allow it to shore up the difference.

In theory though, guns can have plenty of control and status effects too, just trying to come up with some balancing factors, honestly.

and before you say "but it's realistic for guns to be the pinnacle of personal weaponry", I agree and it's true, but it's not necessarily fun.

You are assuming that the bullet goes straight through like a stick. It doesn't. A bullet (especially hollow points, they tumble) cause ripples when they pass through, shredding your insides. Trust me, you would much rather be stabbed than shot.

dmc3 is a melee based game

Have you been shot or stabbed? Why should I trust you?

>a single hit instant kill I WIN button is called "melee"
Just because there's not enough buttons on your silly controller doesn't mean you have to also be retarded

Cause I shoot hogs for pest control and some of these exit wounds are nasty. Why not admit you're wrong and just not try your luck with your limited knowledge of firearms yeah?

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Not that guy but it is true. Imagine that shock wave through your body rending muscles and organs apart. Or with a high enough caliber that shock wave can rip off limbs.

>still no games with an injection knife

Also an ex hog hunter. pigs are used occasionally to demo and test ballistics due to the pig being a very VERY close match to the muscles of a human, their placement, bone density, and even fat consistency.

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The more you know.

What caliber? I bet getting shot with a 9mm pistol isn't as bad as being stabbed by some nog

>obvious psychopath thinking he understands suffering

Look mate, I know you think you understand weapons because you own a gun instead of strangling cats, but there's more aspects involved than "muh hollowpoint" to consider here.

melee weapons are as strong as the wielder

my beef with them is that they are all made of wood in 99,9% of games, i hit something with a sword i want to see limbs and guts flying, not bonking at people until their "health bar" drops to zero, thats shit is infuriating.

what did he mean by this

Caliber doesn't really matter, it's the type of bullet doing the impact, and there are many types of bullets. Certain rounds even have ideal velocities to do maximal damage internally, so a hollowpoint 9mm is going to do more damage than a .357 Mag FMJ round, or even it's counterpart just on the basis that it can impart more energy in most cases.

Aussie detected

Go throw a wooden stick at people since it's illegal to own a firearm.

>Guns are far weaker than magic attacks

>Shred someone at the atomic level with a magic spell
>Less damage than a gun

Hmmm...

>guns and magic exist
>no wizard has ever thought of enchanting a gun/ammunition with magic
immersion broken

Caliber isn't really the defacto damage measurement, its that type of round and its size of the bullet. 9mm is also still not fun check out 1 min and see that nice coconut sized bubble it makes in you.
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He's what happens with hollow points. Take what you see with that coconut then spread it in multiple directions about 1/2 way through an impact point splitting up the shockwave (although the sum is lesser of that a basic round) but dispersing it through the target. Check 10 secs.

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And what's the likelihood of getting shot by a hollowpoint outside of a war?

The same as any other round? Go to gun shop. Pay a little more. Bam.

yeah, sometimes games need to be unrealistic to balance things out. deal with it, /k/ fag.

just punch the bullets away.

Funnily enough, DMC does this. Well, Dante does this with his Ebony and Ivory which is the "in-lore" explanation why he never runs out of bullets.

Better than in war desu, as hollowpoints aren't in warzones (aside from non national fights, like vs isis)

???? A lot higher actually? Hollow points in war are banned by the Hague convention. There's also the fact that HP rounds may be LESS effective in war because all our soldiers wear body armor and HP is less effective against that. HP is used a lot for self defense in America.

what games do this?

FFXV added the ability to switch to Prompto recently and he's actually stronger than the other boys. It's oddly satisfying taking down fantasy creatures with an SMG and rocket launcher

>getting chopped off by a fucking sword
or
>tiny chunk of metal hits you

So some mugger that will either stab you or shoot you with a typical stolen 9mm pistol, you think he is likely to have seeked out hollow point rounds?

>thin chunk of metal makes a clean exterior cut and probably stops at bone
>spinning high speed object rips a hole in you causing massive internal damage and shredding your insides

Hmmm

Fun fact: It's actually really fucking difficult to kill someone with a knife

Yes. Google>what do I shoot whitey with>results

Also, hollow point or not, it's much easier to kill with a firearm than with a pointy piece of metal. Even full metal jacket does considerable damage

>melee isn't effecti-

Nah, they just buy whatever is cheapest, or whatever they can get.

Go play Resonance of Fate you fucker

50 rounds of 9 is around 8 dollars
50 rounds of hollow 9s about 15. A basketball american can afford 15 dollars. And they aren't going to buy in bulk. If they did they would get an even better price.

They wouldn't even know to ask for hollow points

>shotguns are only effective at close range

You get the boolits at the sto' or online, if you can find fullmetal jacket, you can find hollow points.

lol, no its not. if a knife gets involved in a fight, someone isnt leaving alive

Yes shadow people do. Firearms are one of the few things those types of people know about. I mean low grade stuff that are easy over the counter stuff but they do.

People survive knife attacks everyday
Even fucking BRs survive machete parties

Quit getting your information from video games

>fps games
>chest shots are never lethal/instant kill

people survive gunshot wounds as well

>burglary suspect
>suspect
wut
if he broke into his house and was caught I think we're past the suspicion phase of the investigation

>cloth has way more magic defense than armor

Not denying that but a gun is way more effective than a knife and even a non-fatal gunshot wound will fuck you up for life, not so much with a knife wound

>guns are ridiculously good but you are strongly discouraged from using them

basically every stealth game

Nah brah he just was visiting man why you gotta always jump to conclusions man.

>guns are ridiculously fun but you are strongly discouraged from using them
every time

>Alpha Protocol
Don't even bother with stealth or intel, just get a heavy armor and punch dudes.

>Game has varying types of armor, light, medium, heavy and so on
>Even if you have the strongest armor possible you'll still take damage from every single type of damage source like throwing a pebble on your chest

What games actually adhere to the 21 foot rule?

maybe if treated by professionals immediately, but nobody is just going to walk off a stab wound. Both will end your life if you dont get to a hospital right away

>Magic
>Caring about how thick your hammered metals are

Meanwhile cloth can be made from legitimately magical sources like werewolf hair/skin, vampire blood, unicorn mane etc

This always bugs the shit out of me. People designing the in game weapons should at least try shooting them a few times.
Doom 3 was especially bad, 5 feet and the spread is already hitting the ceiling.

hell, isn't that just a spell Dante himself casts for every gun he picks up?

about the only fantasy game I see that is GW2, pretty much all other games either guns or wizards don't exist or guns and wizards do exist and there is at least one 'magic gunner' class.

in GW2's case it can still be argued as ambiguous since Guild Wars has is implied to be a fairly high magic setting where even warriors are doing some form of magic with some of their skills (you know, signets and all that), so it could be argued Warriors, thieves, and engineers are similarly using magic. (which would explain why the fuck they can just keep firing what in the vanilla game are usually matchlock muzzle-loading guns like they're semi-autos)

turn based combat games

For the double barrel shotgun? Yeah, but I think other "guns" like Pandora's box doesn't need any assistance from Dante's power.

The Secret World does this
Mass Effect does this
Clive Barker's Jericho does this

Incorrect. There's plenty of cases of people getting ripped up by knives and walking away. Shit, you cut rip yourself up and be fine if you don't knick and artery. Even relatively superficial gunshot wounds, however, will shred nerves, muscle, and tissue and be painful for life.

>yfw a "slash to the neck" used to be the most common form of execution

>get punched in some open world game or something
>you don't shrug it off and gain back the loss health over time

how does a game adhere to it?
if you attack with a melee weapon from within 21 ft you automatically win?

no offense but are you implying heavy armors can't?

You need to wear a quilted body suit under most armors regardless to avoid chaffing, so those could also be made from the same materials, and the metals themselves can involve supernatural elements such as elaborate magical ruins, mystical metal filigree (like silver) if such metals are too soft to make a full armor or outright made from magical metals like adamantine, orichalcum, or mithril depending on the setting and the nature of such metals.

then there's also tabbards and even armors with outright clothe exterior coverings.

>play RPG
>specialize in unarmed combat
>beat the shit out of monsters with my bare hands
i love it

>halo 5
>the stupid crouch meta means they drop their head right inline with my crosshair as soon as their shields pop

Innocent until proven guilty; good luck convicting a dead man

Shit, in TSW all weapons are magical conduits. You basically can't not be a mage in that game because otherwise you'd be sucking filth dick faster than someone would mutate in a field of tiberium.

Lady's rocket-launcher. Though I did forget most of Dante's guns do tend to end up of similar supernatural origin.

Either way, Unlimited Magic Ammo seems to be Dante's level 0 cantrip.

I forgot about those old penis daggers

I Imagine stuff like knifes having a fast draw speed while guns having a longer one, and sprint speed being fast enough to close the gap without the need to stop to melee attack, anything with grappling preventing a person from drawing a weapon too. Like it would be in real life.

Overwatch actually doesn't do this, much to my dismay
Your options for Melee are Reinhardt's hammer, for a whopping 75 damage per hit, and Doomfist's punch, which isn't particularly reliable and on a 4 second cooldown. Oh and Genji's ult, but good luck using it efficiently in 6 seconds or finding a team that will allow you to use the character effectively.
ALL other melee, regardless of character or weapon used does all of 30 damage.

in Persona 5 guns are usually stronger/better than melee but ammo is scarce. good way to balance it out i think

anyway if you play any good FPS then there's usually a good mix between guns and melee, with each having strengths and weaknesses

Theres a difference between slashes and stabs. Slashes are obviously not as lethal, whereas stabs are almost as bad as bullet wounds

I'm gonna need proof of that claim

Reminds me of the guns in Devil Summoner, pretty powerful and mostly for exposing weaknesses with scarce/expensive ammo. God, I just love that game, it's so satisfying to play and coordinate your attacks.

those experiments were heavily canted so as to justify police's habit to shoot anyone who presents even the slightest threat to them
the only kind of situation where that rule applies is Muslim surprise stabbing where the perp wants do tie

>Ai can one shot you with shotguns from across the map

Ow melee is like the game, a piece of shit

Can't really argue with that. Pretty much just play it with my bud and his buds in the military.

too bad weapons are so lame in TSW
i was really hype when they first announced they're converting it into a "massively online action game" but as it turned out they stuck with the same floaty MMO combat shit

the fluff behind it is so neat it's kind of a waste not to build a good action game around it

You are wrong. A bullet imparts a massive amount of force when it hits you. It's not just a clean hole through you, your soft and watery flesh beneath the skin gets mangled.

>and before you say "but it's realistic for guns to be the pinnacle of personal weaponry", I agree and it's true, but it's not necessarily fun.
Just give guns reduced efficiency in melee combat, just like in reality.

>not sure if pretending to be retarded

bullets can shatter bones without even touching them just from the impact. They can open holes in bodies the size of watermelons

>No game that lets me wield a melee weapon and gun efficiently

worst timeline

>comparing a sniper rifle to a knife
Ok

Dwarf fort is the only one i know.