*ruins smash*

*ruins smash*

HOO

Isn't he a m2k-tier "shadow of his former self" nowadays?

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In terms of dominance kinda. He doesn't win tournaments like in 2015, but he's been number 1 for 4 seasons in a row. At least according to the Panda Global Rankings, which are the ones that most Smash 4 players pay attention to

I used to bully kids like him in high school. I'd give him a swirly for real.

he needs a shave and a haircut. he looks ridiculous

GUATON CULIAO

looks like he shaves everything but under the chin in true neckbeard style. I dont understand how anyone would think that looks okay.

WHO CAN DEFEAT THIS GOD

*ruins smash even further beyond*

Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with maining a top-tier. Dominant strategy is dominant for a reason.

you must be a real fucking loser

Cloud is a mid-tier disguised as a top-tier.
His recovery is almost as laughable as Mac's, and his flowchart is predictable as fuck.

Bayonetta's not bad either. Her scary combos and punish game might be intimidating, but her frame-data is full of holes, which turns her into free wins for people who actually think while they play.

literally git gud

Smash 4 is shit, faggots.

Yet hes now a God of his field and has a 10/10 gf while you sit on Sup Forums shutposting

larper

Zero barely even wins anything anymore

Please be bait

I do not like Zero and never have, but the game ruined itself just like Brawl did. He had nothing to do with it.

If you had said that about DK when people were sucking him off I would have agreed with you. Cloud and Bayo are stupidly good vs a majority of the cast and get plenty of shit for free. Cloud is also undisputed number one teams character, just like MK was in Brawl. He fucking dominates.

Chileans ruin everything

Sm4sh summit was good though

>Mommy the bullies followed me on my origami board

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>Ganondorf at G
b...but the Ganon Cannon is still alive and strong ;-;

Smash """""pros""""" looks so much like manchildrens.

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>smash bros has pay to win characters
I thought Nintendo "does DLC right"?

If you had to beat him, who would you pick to do the job?

I'd go with G-dorf because he turns everything into a game of rock-paper-scissors.

Mira el waton culiao

these nigs wont get good
Cloud can't poke at all and his ground game is almost ZSS tier
Bayo has no ground game and that nair folks are scared can be beat by fox's ftilt without being angled
playing defensive as fuck is the way to win but no is gonna do that

Don't worry, he's only there because I wrecked whoever made this with him and this is proof he's still bitter

Rosalina and Mewtwo should be lower

Where's the Zero Suit Samus tech?

with the name of this webm I was expecting somebody to throw a red bull can at his head

you are a sad little man.

GUATON DE LAS FRUTAS

Why use a picture of Smug?

>has a 10/10 gf
not anymore :^)

He saved Tr4sh from being completely dead in the water until several patches fixed it.

She dump him again?

Falco is F now? He used to be #7 or so. What makes Fox better this time, an why is Falco so low?

I mean, I kind of agree with you, but results are more important. Here's the list based upon results:
Bayonetta: 476.5
Cloud: 475.75
Diddy Kong: 377.5
Sheik: 325
Fox: 278
Sonic: 270
Mario: 202.25
Rosalina & Luma: 163
Zero Suit Samus: 163
Mewtwo: 154.5
Ryu: 132.75
Captain Falcon: 122.75
Meta Knight: 101.75
Greninja: 87.25
Peach: 79.25
Pikachu: 78.5
Ness: 75
Luigi: 74.25
Corrin: 73.75
Marth: 70.75
Donkey Kong: 68
Toon Link: 61.75
R.O.B.: 58.25
Lucina: 55
Mega Man: 48.5
Samus: 39
Shulk: 37.5
Villager: 36
Yoshi: 34
Bowser: 32.5
Lucario: 32.25
Lucas: 32
Olimar: 32

Setplay and consistent kill setups are what make or break smash 4 characters. Falco has neither, Fox has both.

*ruins smash*

If by "nothing" you mean "alot".
>Admittance that you can't outplay/outskill opponents
>Openly sucking the devs dick every time a new balance update happens and you flip flop back and forth
>Especially in a franchise that's suppose to be all about fan favorites; you're so autistic you bypass preference for that sweet dev cock.
>Continually kill whatever tournament you play in, so the crowd get bored of seeing the same shit roster over and over again instead of providing new and interesting match ups

It's why the only time a tournament is interesting is either directly after a game is released, or the first major tournament after release. Every subsequent one is polluted by stale match ups and overused characters.

I'm happy for Mario.

Does Kirby have no results?

>I main one character from every tier except C and F
Weird

e-elaborate pls

diddy is fundamentally an unfun piece of shit character and until he's either removed or altered I'm not touching another smash game

*Ruins Smash*

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None enough to be ranked with any sort of accuracy.

Diddy wouldn't be bad if his legs weren't disjointed. The amount of shit that his fair beats is stupid.

but smash isn't a fighting game

you must be fun at parties

That's addressed in the image.

That argument is addressed near the bottom of the image.

>I AM SILLY

>melee came out
>had fun with friends all the time
>was a sleepover hit
>brawls comes out
>friends get bored of it within a week
>This xmas meet up with my bros again
>find melee in the basement
>"sure, why not?"
>have a fucking blast. Tons of laughter and shenanigans for hours on end
>my fucking face when Saki thought he made the series more fun for casuals

all he did was neuter a once hilariously fun and chaotic party fighter so that retards wouldn't feel bad about losing in a video game. He made it more ""inclusive"" at the expense of making it shit and ironically excluding a ton of other people.

i have an irrational desire to punch this down syndrome looking faggots face in

I'd prefer a picture of Bayonetta and Cloud

>I AM SILLY
No that argument that the FGC uses when talking about hygiene is covered in the image. I didn't forget it.

Nintendo should take note, and only make 8 characters in the next smash, as that is the amount people actually play

>throws banana
>opponent shields
>can't do anything because banana on shield gives diddy an advantage
>free grab or down tilt
heh... nothing personnel kid.

>All my mains are at D tier

am i missing some dank new meme or do people not actually read this image at all?

Well they're making arguments that are already addressed in the image, so I don't think they do.

>playing in tournaments for money
>get mad when players try their hardest to win
>failing to acknowledge that strategy is a necessary part to winning
You do realize that top tier shit is the dev's fault, right? Smash is an imbalanced game and desu it's a pretty bad eSport that's only big because the playerbase is rabid.

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>Friend spams Cloud to the point of annoyance
>destroy his anus with bayo when he begins to annoy me
>wooow you had to use a broken character to kill me

>My mains are C,D and E tier

>MainS
Smash babies everyone.

so what does this actually mean? Which rows can consistently win majors?

smash is a fighting game. it's just a really shallow one

Solo? The first. Nearly everyone uses a secondary or main of the top row. As a fluke? B-C depending on brackets. Smash 4 is very, very matchup dependent so really tier lists like this mostly reflect the ability of the characters to do well against the more dominating ones. So for example DK and Bowser have trouble with a lot of lower characters than, say, Yoshi, but it doesn't matter because they do significantly better overall (though still not that great) against the commonly seen characters in the top two rows.

Anons in this thread bitching about tiers are really starting to tick me off. I've been seeing this tier argument bullshit in the Smash community since I was in middle school, and I've now been a part of three eSports scenes since I first heard about the tier argument in the early days of Brawl, and I think that the arguments made by pro players regarding character balance is 100% right, Smash is and always has been a game that is balanced like complete dogshit. For the sake of argument, you can look at the Back Room Tier List here, and let's assume for the sake of argument that all characters are ranked in the appropriate spots.

Tournament viable characters are essentially A and above; if you want to be generous you can include B tier as well.

A and above includes 12 characters, TWELVE CHARACTERS OUT OF A CAST OF 54 ARE TOURNAMENT VIABLE. I understand that it's pretty hard to predict all of the ways in which competitive players are going to break down your game as a dev, but with the tech we have now to manage and ship out balance patches for games, there's no reason why Nintendo shouldn't be trying to fix the problem with their game.

I've played Dungeon Fighter, Smite, and Dota, and in comparison to Smash Bros, all the games have much better balance, even relative to their genres. It can be done.

So, overall, I just don't understand why you Smashfags want to blame players for trying to earn money in their chosen careers, and why you guys can't be assed to bang on Sakurai's door and demand he maintain and take care of his fucking games.

Smash isnt a fighting game but seriously why would you even want to be part of the FGC? The FGC is like what battlefield fans are to shooters. They think that theyre part of an elitist club and constantly shit all over everything talking about how hard their games are and how their games are like chess or some shit when really fighting games today just require basic flowcharts of thinking with sometimes difficult execution. Whats even worse is that 90% of the community jumped on with street fighter 4 but pretend that they've been playing fighting games their whole lives.

Dont even get me started on their godawful subreddit that essentially just apes humour off of Sup Forums

derete thisu

Who is bitching about tiers, sperglord? Everyone knows Nintendo doesn't give a shit about the competitive scene.

>all the DLC characters are in the top 3 tiers

woah... really made me thinkg

The top two characters also got nerfed (pretty heavily) since they were first launched.

You don't even have to bring FGC into this, if you have played any other competitive title with an esports scene you will realize that Smash is by far one of the worst maintained IPs as a competitive title, and the fanbase is generally not suited to recognize that professional Smash players are just playing the meta that the devs have left for them, even though it's a steaming mess.

>OP and other random posters literally whining about Bayonetta and Zero abusing high tier characters in every other post

I hate this cumguzzling dramawhore as much as everyone else, but lets get real
When sm4sh started, everyone played ultradefensively, and it was him with his diddy shit that turned the meta around by playing ultra aggressively AND winning, if he did not pull that shit we could easily be playing a more passive, projectile oriented game were noone dared to go far too deep which kind of already happens
He's still an attention whoring drama queen tho

I have an actual job and not dedicating my income to a video game that's not even the most popular in it's franchise.

>my main is A tier
>all of my secondaries are D and below

It's a conflicting kind of feel.

People do both of those regardless of game. Fuck, some games are balanced around that. Look at SFV and the whining about Birdie after he took CC. I don't think that's the same thing as expecting the game to get a balance patch, which everyone here (should) knows won't happen.

>tfw Cloud, Greninja, Lucas, Roy, Little Mac and Ganondorf main
apparantly I don't give a fuck about tiers, pretty well rounded

>wooow you had to use a broken character to kill me

Thats when you switch to someone else and still push their shit in. I like Bayo too but if you can ONLY win with her then you're using her as a crutch.

what about Roy?

oh yeah I forgot he was DLC
Okay, 1 exception, I guess Nintendo aren't pay to win jews after all

I mean objectively I dont really think any game with an esports scene has actually been well maintained.

>LoL is straight awful as a game, but on top of that the devs nerf everything into the ground constantly and the meta is very enforced.
>Counter Strike is actually pretty well maintained but once again the devs constantly make questionable desicions like the Revolver update and there are legitimate issues of LAN hacking and shit.
>Valve is killing the shit out of Dota by turning it more and more into LoL.
>Blizzard pretty much murdered starcraft.
>Lol Rocket league
>lol Call of Duty
>Rip Halo
>lol Overwatch

Most of these games have unfun metas too. Really the funnest most challenging competitive game ive ever played was the F2P korean shooter GunZ the Duel but that game never even stood a chance at becoming anything big due to horrid management by IJJI

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People whine, but it's increasingly retarded in Smash because the game isn't balanced like a comp game at all

what did they do to rocket league?

this. melee was great casual wise but sakurai literally limited the audience and just flat out ruined it

>Valve is killing the shit out of Dota by turning it more into LoL
>Valve is modifying game mechanics like denies to make it even more punishing for players with poor lane mechanics to sit in lane
I strongly disagree with this.

Besides League, I think all of those games are maintained better than Smash, because while you can criticize any game that encourages religious comp play (you play so much you'll see everything), Smash maintenance is basically non-existent.

Nothing that I know about, desu Ive never played or watched it but Im a leaf and have never really given a single shit about soccer. It could have a great competitive scene but Ive never and probably will never care/watch it.

Nigger, balance doesn't make a game worth playing competitively. It can certainly help make a game more interesting, but it historically has not been the end all or even close to it. Smash 4 is garbage competitively because it does not reward reads adequately and instead rewards setplay very strongly.

>villiager c tier
>Kirby F tier
Huh. Guess the shitters I play with just need to get gud.