Why isn't Mario ever played in the Smash games despite being the most recognizable hallmark character...

Why isn't Mario ever played in the Smash games despite being the most recognizable hallmark character? He's never played by pros or your friends, even though Luigi is.

Why is this?

because he's shit
why can't hackurai give the old characters new movesets

All around characters are good to start with, but as you get better at a game you're going to pick other characters that aren't so general purpose whose strengths and weaknesses accentuate your abilities.

>ITT: I dont know anything about the "competitive" community

Reread the post.

>"competitive"

SCORPADORP

He's pretty bad in Melee and Mediocre in 64. He's a pretty popular pick in Smash 4, although has been falling off pretty hard lately.

Nobody casually around me ever really wanted to play as Mario though, even the fags who only played MCs in their fightan preferred Marth or Link or something.

i play as him sometimes. dr. mario too. decent enough. but i usually pick random most of the time

Because he's the default and nobody wants to be the default. Ask 10 random guys on the street who they always played as in Street Fighter 2 and I guarantee no matter how normalfag they are you'll get more Kens than Ryus just because Ken wasn't the default guy.

Doesn't ally main him in smash4?
In melee he's not very fun or that great. He's not terrible though.

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MARIO IS ONE OF THE BEST FUCKING CHARACTERS IN SMASH AND IF YOU FUCKING DISAGREE THEN I WILL FUCKING DESTORY YOU UNTIL YOUR REPUTATION HERE IS DESTROYED YOU FUCKING WHORE!!!! MARIO IS THE BEST AND HE WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THAT WAY!!! I HOPE YOU GET YOUR SKULL CLEAVED AND THE LAST THING YOU SEE BEFORE YOUR LAST BREATH IS YOUR BRAIN MATTER SEEPING OUT OF YOUR FUCKING SKULL!!!! DONT YOU EVER SAY THAT MARIO IS NEVER USED YOU FUCKING RETARDED IMBECILE!!!!!

maybe he's not good you fucking faggot ass retard. Holy shit you are stupid

I know a lot of people who play Ryu actually. They usually play MCs in other fighting games too

ok

Because he's the most generic Nintendo character, and everyone wants to be a special snowflake by picking someone else.

>because he's shit
Mario is a great character. He is good at literally everything.

>fast
>has projectiles
>great edgeguardiang
>great combos

MARIO IS THE BEST CHARACTER IN SMASH AND HE WILL ALWAYS BE RETARD LIKE HOLY FUCKING SHIT SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING MAGGOT

luigi is the patrician choice. whenever given the choice between the two, the only logical choice is luigi

He's so stubby, though. He lacks an effective range, meaning an opponent with a sword or in general just big fast moves can totally invalidate him.

mario sucks, dr mario is where it's at

ITT: Non Smash players.
He was ass in Brawl, but he's a huge threat in Smash 4 due to being relatively braindead while still being able to output a ton of moves and damage.
I don't know about casually, there aren't a ton of Mario characters that are popular with casuals, who prefer even easier and more braindead fighters like Marth, Ike, Cloud, Charizard, characters like that.

If you were talking about Mario Kart, you'd have an argument, but Mario is a plenty common choice in Smash.

>competitive game for children

Are you kidding? I play Mario all the time
>pretty good recovery
>decent damage
>reflect
>that sick fucking meteor smash

He can generally outspeed sword users, who have more startup on their moves. The one who really keeps him out is Marth, but Mario can run circles around Link, Shulk and Ike. He goes even with Cloud since he has an easy time gimping him.

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>I don't know about casually, there aren't a ton of Mario characters that are popular with casuals, who prefer even easier and more braindead fighters like Marth, Ike, Cloud, Charizard, characters like that.

casuals usually just use their favorite character or one that has a playstyle they gravitate towards.

t. casual that mains pac-man and cloud

Jack-of-all-trades characters are never good. They can't be good without being overpowered.

Correct in melee, but smash 4 doc is turrible.

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He's one of the best characters in Smash 4 and gets seen often in tourney play.

Mario is lame, almost as lame as captain falcon

Are you an idiot? You might like Luigi better, but he's far more used than Mario, particularly by snowflake autists like yourself, which makes Mario the patrician choice.

Isn't Mario a top tier in Sm4sh?

Luigi is just better.

His B-up actually has KO potential and isn't just for stage recovery.

His B-forward is actually fucking useful.

His B-down does better damage and is less likely to result in a bad trade

Even his fireball is better, granted fireball harass is greater in the very specific situations where Mario has the high ground at the perfect angle, most of the time Luigi's fireball will be more useful.

Their A moves are mostly similiar, although Mario does have a way better running attack.

>he's far more used than Mario, particularly by snowflake autists

My dad plays Mario.

Novice players play him really braindead though. Having all your airs auto cancel and an up smash with minimal cool down will do that?

If we're talking about Melee, Mario's not terrible, he's just a middle-ground character with a somewhat disappointing range.
Doc and Mario have very similar movement speeds. In fact, they're actually identical, it's just that Doc's running animation is slower.
Doc's pills have a better bounce and a heavier flinch, making harassment much more viable for him that Mario
Mario's F-Air can be recovered from if you time your jump correctly. Doc doesn't give you that in exchange for not having a dunk.
Doc's pretty much identical or superior to Mario in almost every category, except his d-air doesn't leave a little quake when he interrupts it by landing, but since everyone L-cancels aerials anyway, that's a moot point.

In Smash 4, though, Mario's high-tier because of his juggles and fast smashes and Doc's a pile of shit because he's too fat and can't recover

luigi fucking sucks really fucking bad

Because everyone thinks they're a special snowflake for playing characters like Lucario or Rosalina, even though millions of others are doing the same exact thing as them. It's snowflake syndrome. Same reason people don't use him in Mario Kart. They're afraid of looking "boring".

Idk about Smash but there’s been some attempt to change the narrative on Sup Forums where supposedly Mario is the “chad” choice in Mario Part or Mario Kart. Which is frankly hilarious because everyone knows only losers picked Mario in those games.

He's really fucking good in Smash 4 actually.

that said he's fucking Mario. his name is on the cover. he's boring and has little charisma compared to a lovable tall loser like Luigi or jew king Wario

dr mario's only saving grace is having a recovery that is better than Little Mac's.

Don't forget down-throw into up-tilt.

>thinking smash 4 is relevant

I main Mario in Melee, Project M, and Smash 4
He's a really fun character, it's just that no one wants to play him because at first glance he's boring as fuck. Like, has anyone ever played as Mario in Mario Kart? Or Super Mario Bros 2? No, because it's boring.