Is Ultra Sun Ultra Moon the Dark Souls of the Pokemon series?

Is Ultra Sun Ultra Moon the Dark Souls of the Pokemon series?
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Ultra Nec was a fucking dick

Has there ever been a Pokemon battle that massacred so many peoples teams other than Necozma?

Not really. It is the hardest to nuzlocke arguably because of a few stupidly hard fights, but its not that hard. BW2 challenge is still the hardest main series game due to the massive level spike with Drayden

Brock, probably.

BW2 hard mode was never the hardest in the first place. Platinum is harder.
In order of top 3 hardest it goes -
USUM > Platinum > BW2 challenge mode

In terms of nuzlocking or just playing?

Platinum has stuff like Mars Purugly but some of the level spikes in BW2 challenge mode are retarded. Even if you fight every trainer some times you just need to grind levels on breeders and audino to not get destroyed

Nuzlocke because it's pretty difficulty to gauge how hard the games are when played regularly honestly.

If you were referring to non nuzlocke then I'm not sure.

Never cared about Pokemon.
Someone redpill me on the whole "Sun and Moon" thing. Is the game sold in two parts or what?

its just 2 versions of the same game because gamefreak can milk idiots, theres little difference between versions aside from a few select pokemon being exclusive and some story details

They used to make a third complete version to milk even more money, the last 2 gens they didn't do that but in gen 7 they did do that but instead sold is as 2 games again because money

Are pokemon fans just bad or is it a broken fight?

BW2 challenge makes the E4 harder but I found the rest of it to be pretty easy because the couple extra levels on most minor trainers made me level up somewhat faster to compensate.

Broken fight, it seems.
U-Necrozma's stats really high and is already significantly higher leveled than most people's parties, and the aura thing is an instant +1 to every stat

The boss itself is broken as fuck to a stupid degree and usually would require certain dark types like Tyranitar, Malamar (Topsy Turvy), or Zoroark (Illusion with a Fighting type) or a Magnezone to defeat without cheesing it with PvP style methods.
It enters combat 10 levels above the level you'd typically be at, gains an aura upon the battle's start that boosts all the thing's stats by 1.5x, and has such high speed and attacking stats that it will instantly kill 90% of the entire available dex in a single hit.

The boss is fine. It forces you to use actual strategy and that's too much to ask of casuals.

>strategy
>outspeeds everything and one shots them
hmmmmm

You also forgot to mention its STAB Signature move that is designed to hit the lower defense stat of the opposing mon

Oh yeah, forgot that.
So you can't just bring in a Sp. Def tank and wait it out.
Also the thing is uncatchable in the battle you fight it.

>what is quick claw
>what is speed boost protect
>what is choice band
Git

Fucking

Gud

>People had trouble with this fight
What the fuck am I reading

>>what is quick claw
lol
>>what is speed boost protect
an ability-move combo only one pokemon in the whole region is capable of
>>what is choice band
*scarf, and competitive items are postgame

>lol
not an argument

>an ability-move combo only one pokemon in the whole region is capable of
>*scarf, and competitive items are postgame

The game has trading for a reason.

Quick claw is not a solution and is based on luck.
Fuck off with that not an argument bollocks you cuck.
>The game has trading for a reason.
>Trading should be essential to beat a boss
No.

Ultra Necrozma is broken. Everybody knows this, stop being contrarian for the sake of it.

>not an argument
Quick claw is unreliable as fuck and only exists so Battle facilities have something to bullshit you with, you might as well recommend people to raise your pokemon's affection to randomly survive fatal hits, even that is more reliable

It's genuinely the most powerful boss that a player character has ever been forced to face in the entire series. Not like that's saying a whole lot considering how easy Pokemon normally is, but it's the only one that is so stupidly powerful that it's a common experience to have the beast sweep your entire team without taking a lick of damage itself.
Some people have had to resort to Toxic+spamming dozens of revives to win.

>That fucking olympia image

jesus christ my sides

Git gud, casuals. I beat it on my first try. Use actual strategy instead of using whichever pokemon you want to knot you.

>Use actual strategy instead of using whichever pokemon you want to knot you.
Keep your strategy faggot, one day Glaceon will knot me and i'll love it.

>Pokemon react videos

this is disgusting

fuck off back to your containment board

>people clamoring for years for actually hard to kill stuff that'd give them a run for their money
>devs decide to put it in the rehash version that sells less than a quarter of the original
>counterpart in the original is a regular underleveled trainer with a special AI setting lower than a wild Pokemon encounter
Fucking why? Also I haven't seen it mentioned, but Ultra Necrozma reads your inputs and also uses Totem AI, which means it will calculate which move will deal the most damage possible to you and always use that move.

Pokemon fans are retarded.
>Cry for more difficulty
>Get it
>"Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow this is too hard what the fuck were gamefreak thinking?"
?????????????????????

>Ultra Necrozma reads your inputs and also uses Totem AI, which means it will calculate which move will deal the most damage possible to you and always use that move.
Not surprised desu, that has been a thing ever since gen 4, E4 and champion pokemon are scripted to have higher IVs on top of being EV trained, and they would tell if your pokemon had something to prevent them from hitting you, such as Levitate or Lightning rod

Yeah that's a thing here too, with most bosses in general from what I remember.
Only a few change the natures though, and USUM's are hexaperfect IV compared to SM's pentaperfect (often having a 0 in speed or offense for SM's from what I remember).

>tfw that post about that guy complaining that the new game's audience had a "difficulty fetish"

I got lucky and beat it first time

>Salazzle survives due to affection
>hit it with Toxic
>cheese it with revives until the toxic kills it

Without that I had 0% chance unless I went and grinded, or got lucky with a paralyze

I did the same thing pretty much but had to spend more revives though because it was a burn.

I'm playing ultramoon and the last pokemon game I played is red
I'm still in the second island and I've got a few questions
I loved machop, is machamp good?
should I care about nature or is this a minmaxing shit I can care after I finish the game?
any pokemons I shouldn't miss?

>I loved machop, is machamp good?
Machamp is still fine bro.
>should I care about nature or is this a minmaxing shit I can care
Depends, I mean technically at the end of the day nature really doesn't matter much in a regular playthrough but I still can't stand having shit natures on my Pokemon. Basically it's up to you, if you don't wanna get the perfect nature then just don't.
>any pokemons I shouldn't miss?
Just pick your favorites and have fun.

The champ is still decent
the latter
Maybe bring a dark type for the boss in the OP? Otherwise it doesn't matter who you use.
Although if you're a dex guy you'll want to make sure to get a Mareanie from the Corsola in Melemele bay later.

Totem Togedemaru was harder.

thanks anons that cleared my questions

>calls skarmory
>doubles def aura
fuck that guy

whitney

Probably the one instance max affinity is almost a requirement and not simply e-z mode.
>is 10 levels higher than my whole team
>outspeeds and 1-shots anything I can throw at it
>only survived due to two Pokemon toughing it out
>first was Primarina, allowed me to use Moonblast and take out over 1/2 its health
>second was Noivern, returned with Draco Meteor that ended it

I should mention exp. share was off the entire game. It was the first fight in ages that had me completely outclassed.

>the retard said "ohh-koh" instead of one-hit kay-oh
faggot

I had exp share on most of the time and still needed to use Magnezone as a crutch after it instakilled every other Pokemon on my team.

The mainline Pokemon games are released in two variations, with certain Pokemon unique to each one to encourage player interaction such as trading and battling. This was a really interesting concept when you had to physically attach your games with a link cable to trade/battle, but now you can do all that online which makes multiple versions unnecessary. It also doesn't help that they usually release a third version of each game that adds content and adjusts the game's balance, sometimes making the originals obsolete.

>depending on fucking quick claw for strategy

Holy shit! I can't believe someone actually brought an rng item as means for dependable strategy.

says someone playing a game with rng backed right in

enjoy your critical hits and miss chance

There has been no reason to buy both versions since the GTS was added. Even before that, getting exclusive Pokemon was not an issue if you had friends.

>The game has trading for a reason.
>Just trade yourself a lvl 100 Arceus
Trading for endgame shit isn't a legitimate strategy

>tfw US instead of UM
>no infinite Celesteela, just infinite Buzzwole

>playing Y years ago
>some random kraut trades me a level 92 Mewtwo holding the Mewtwonite X for a common Pokemon (I think it was a Cyndaquil? Maybe some other fire Pokemon)
It didn't obey but having it was amusing

It's cheap, artificial difficulty at best. Only certain mons can counter it by completely cheesing it, you're out-leveled by it and it has +1 in every stat, while also being a legendary with a 754 BST, min-maxed to outspeed everything in A-slow-la and break through any wall or tank with a single move.

>basic structure of the game is already filled with rng to account for so what does it matter if you include more elements rng to deal with

I'm not sure if you're the same user who brought up quick claw in the first place but idea of a strategy is to decrease rng as much as possible not increase it. Just because the foundation of the game includes it does not mean give up on creating dependable strategies to win. There are moves, abilities and items to mitigate that kind of shit. Quick claw though isn't one of them.

>tfw mono-ice blind run facing this fuck down

>X items exist
>revives exist

Pokemon fans are bad, which is why the games get dumber and dumber.

Toxic+Revive spam is one of the most common ways to defeat it though, people use it all the time.
X items don't help a whole lot vs a high speed killer with dual 167 offenses at 1.5x magnification, input reading, and a move that always targets the lowest defensive stat.

I don't get it, I saw here how hard Ultra Necrozma was but I had no problems during that fight

What'd you use?

I want something like it in the next one.

why
haven't played this

>not having sandslash with snowcloak and brightpowder solo the fuck

>Ultra Necrozma's aura flared to life! Its stats rose!
>Malamar used Topsy-turvy!

>brightpowder
I forgot that even existed
thanks, I still haven't beaten it, I just did the run because someone on here decided the typing for my run instead

personally i just squeezed out aurora veil for my monoice run

I almost did it once after a lucky affection survive but eh, died shortly after

>Smart Strike

I don't remember it being hard at all, I killed it in like two hits with my tyranitar, all of these shitters need to just get better teams.

a move sandslash can actually tank without getting instagibbed? even better

A Sandslash at that point in the game would only deal about 1/3rd Necrozma's health with Icicle Crash, while taking about 40% HP damage per Smart Strike.

Actually wait, forgot the +1 boost. It 2hkos the Sandslash with it. You better be able to OHKO.

>Toxic+spamming dozens of revives to win.
the old school way of beating high leveled stuff. The game should restrict you 1 Revive effect per Pokemon

>kids having trouble with rock paper scissors the game

Lmao.

Pokemon: Ultra Soy

not that user, but I used Aegislash and resisted most of his attacks pretty well and gave me time to boost my defenses and recover.

Are people really complaining about challenge in a Pokémon game for once? Gold and silver are a prime example of having a hard final boss. I can’t remember how many hours I spent grinding to beat red at mt. Silver so we finally get a worthy final boss again and people complain that it’s broken because you need to grind?

>get fucked

Fortunately the AI would rather gamble on stronger attacks and I can dodge tank the way to victory

>Aegislash
is that the broken ghost steel type with shitton of def and S.def?

They’re bad. The fight is easily cleared if you’re not stupid.

>had zoroark lead
>disguised as hawlucha
>necrozma uses its ineffective photon geyser
>keeps using it
>AI is too dumb to know whats going on
>cheese the entire fight by complete accident
>everyones saying how its the hardest pokemon battle ever

I actually soft reset and changed changed my team around to actually fight it. This isn't the first time I accidentally cheesed a boss. You can use the same strat for Giovanni's Mega Mewtwo and Dexio if playing moon for his psychic team. It's funny.

I was just lucky enough to be using a mimikyu so I was able to make it within a couple tries. Had a radichu too. I definitely used a focus band too. No affinity bullshit either.

Aegislash and Magnezone handle it pretty well.

50% chance of a hit since Photon Geyser will destroy the poor thing in one blow, but I like your style man, dodgetanking is always a fun win vs singleplayer enemies.

I used Mimikyu as well

>Giovanni's MM
Huh, I never realized that.

Has that ever been implemented before in a fan game?

What do you expect? The majority of the series is extremely easy, something above that surprises people.

>tfw just cheesed the fight with Zoroark
git gud shitters

just in pseudo nuzlocke games where you were able to use one revive per pokemon in the whole game.

Nah the Kaizo hacks are.
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Crystal is the hardest while Emerald is boring as sin.

>"Dog it OHHH-KOOHZ every 'Mon dog what are you supposed to do dog"

Is it possible to get cancer from a sentence?

oh, sounds fun

why the fuck is this thread still up
stop talking about pokemon still, a digimon game just came out and pokemon hasnt had nothing and you would still rather talk ABOUT POKEMON WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL?
YOU'RE WHATS WRNG WITH THE FUCKING INDUSTY

The whole video is a blight.
>open mouth look straight into the camera
Face cam is a cancer.