>All these indie releases keep underperforming on the Steam compared with consoles
>People claim Steam has no discovery problems
Why are some people so in so much denial about Steam having a major discovery problem? It's an awful experience to try and find good games buried amongst all the junk on Steam.
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Because they just point to the handful of indie games that have sold well on steam despite these successes standing on a mountain of games that haven't sold anything.
Only switch Indy games matter.
Who are the "people" claiming that? It's widely acknowledged that Steam's quality control is non-existent. Valve just can't be bothered to fix it. Their """solution""" was just replacing Greenlight with a $100 fee, which if anything just made the problem worse (but probably made them a lot more money).
Also Hello Neighbor is one of those trashy meme twitchbait games, which are a dime-a-dozen on Steam.
Cus 90% of steam is garbage ms paint garbage bb or vn anime autism
That game's target audience is children simply because of all the streamers who play it. I work at a game store, and the only people I see buying the console version are kids, or people buying it for their kids. Of fucking course it's going to sell better on console.
Valve should let companies pay for placement on the front page and search results.
I'm not usually in favour of ads but it would improve user experience if games with an actual budget and production values were easier to find over all the trash.
Why is it so hard to comprehend?
>PC
Millions of games, mods, source ports, old games, emulators, etc. New game comes out? Who gives a shit, I have a million to play already
>Console
Maybe a hundred games if being generous, less than 10 on each platform worth playing. Ports of last gen games not worth buying because in the back of your head you know that you'd just have to buy it again next gen. Every AAA release is a major milestone in your ability to enjoy the console. When AAA games are few and far between then you turn to buying cheap indie games in desperate attempt to have fun.
This is why new games that aren't PC focused like Divinity OS 2 or Kingdom Come Deliverance fail. It's also why ports of old games like Vanquish or Dragons Dogma do better on PC than PS4
>tfw couldn't enjoy the greatness of Hello Neighbor because of all the garbage like Ori and the Blind Forest and Hollow Knight clogging the Indie category
I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE HEPL HEP
Do Xbox One sales out compete combined PC sales? If so, that pretty amazing for an indie horror Pewdiepie game? Maybe because it's touted as an "Xbox exclusive."
what the fuck is hello neighbor?
hello neighbor was a fucking mess!
I don't know if it's a "discovery problem" as much as it is "literally zero quality control"
It's the new Five Nights at Freddie's.
Exactly. Let me guess, you're a PC gamer who mostly uses Steam?
Who in the hell cares about the sales of indie shit?
Ehhh, zero quality control doesn't really matter as long as you can easily figure out what is worthwhile.
I haven't owned a "gaming" PC since 2007
>a buggy, rushed out the door game performs the worst on the platform that easily lets you get refunds.
Curious. Curious indeed!
Spoilers: Game has mixed reviews on Steam and a fucking abysmal 38 on Metacritic.
The full release of Hello Neighbor is literally more buggy with worse AI then the alpha version. It's no wonder people don't want to buy it.
Xbone lets you easily get refunds too, they have the same rules as Steam
Those fundamentally clash. You can't highlight the actual good games when you have a mountain of garbage on your platform.
Makes sense actually, kids aren't likely to have a credit card hooked up to their Steam or whatever?
the thing is that it makes the storepage pretty much irrelevant except checking to see if something's on sale
you can't use it to find new games, only to look at games you're already interested in
Stop shilling this shit. Reminder to everyone: this piece of shit had failed attemts to market himself in own country so he switched to english and boght ad company resources to shill his shit.
Report immediatly
tinybuild releases nothing but fucking mediocre garbage and have a built a reputation on it on PC, this should come as no surprise. Just look at this list of bangers:
>hello neighbor
>party hard tycoon
>phantom trigger
>community inc
>mr.shifty
>streets of rogue
>cluster truck
>the final station
I love how people always rationalise shit and people blame the game when this has happened with dozens of games now
This, this, this. This poster actually gets it.
I don't know about others but I buy my indie games on GOG only.
Steam can fuck off.
No meme answer, it's a game where you sneak into your crazy neighbour's house to see what secrets he's hiding. The game featured an AI, your neighbour, who would learn from your tactics and evolve to counter them. That was its biggest gimmick. For some bizarre reason, the earliest beta for the game turned out to be the best one as each update to the game focused on making it more wackier and crazy rather than good, or provide meaningful content. The game got buggier and buggier, and the AI seemed to have actually downgraded from the original. It certainly lacked the feel that it was learning from you, it felt more like it had bullshit detection ranges and would chase you from anywhere, rather than laying traps or cutting off access routes like it normally would.
Not that it matters,the game ended up being something that a lot of Youtuber ecelebs would play, which prompted the creators to make the game more crazy and add in DEEPEST LORE to keep people interested rather than improve on the actual game. When the game finally came out of early access, no one gave a shit anymore because.... turns out, the game isn't all that good. What a surprise.
Name a game that's actually good then.
You mean, like the personal queue. It keeps getting bogged down by games that have no relation to the rest of my library, filled with suggestions put there because "Its popular". That's the actual reason it shows on the queue, you know. God knows every time a new FNAF came out or whatever, it'd keep getting recommended to me even though I don't play horror games or click and points at all.
isn't Cluster Truck by Landfall Games, the guys who started like 15 games and only finished one?
>h-hello neighbor ain't selling not because it's terrible but because indies have low exposure!
>meanwhile Subnautica, Slay the spire, My time at portia, They are billions, Celeste, Human Fall Flat and Wolcen are all top sellers.
It sold like shit on PC because PC has been well aware of how dog shit the game is. This game is a legitimately bad game.
I am unfamilar with all of these except Subnautica and Celeste, what are the rest of them? I think the portia one is that early access Not-Harvest Moon right?
PC gaming just isn’t very popular though. Everybody mentions millions of PBUH players but that’s just a bunch of chinks with potato laptops that can’t even run the game but they play it anyways
Celeste has sold vastly more on console, especially Switch.
This. The game was shit and people on pc are more likely to inform themselves before purchasing something, nothing else to it. Also: this game was huge on Youtube and Twitch, so "discovery problems" sure as fuck aren't a factor in this particular case.
>hello neighbor
>not junk
>It's an awful experience to try and find good games buried amongst all the junk on Steam.
user, the game mentioned in that twitter post is part of the pile of junk on Steam.
There is always some excuse to rationalise steam just being a dogshit platform to release a game on
A game with a sort of neat concept that came out maybe 1/5 finished at best but got popular due to streamers and little kids, like 5N@F
>steam just being a dogshit platform to release a game on
And evidence for it is what exactly? A bad game selling poorly? lmao
The funny thing is that it being huge on youtube probably resulted in less sales. Seeing how the game played is what kept me away from it.
Still waiting for that example friend!
They sell well on consoles because there are fewer games on them.
This really. The first beta was perfect but every update made me hate it more. How did they go so backwards?
Celeste, Hob, Nex Machina, Quake Champions, World to the West, Ys VII, Trails in the Sky Third, Guilty Gear 2, probably a zillion others that don't come to mind or I've never discovered.
It's getting to the point that releasing an indie game without getting in with either Microsoft or Sony sounds like fucking suicide.
Game also has mixed reviews on steam and a bigger price tag compared to other indie tittles, and faggots wounder why only xbox boneheads chew this shit up, while steam users avoid it
>38 metascore and 4,6 user score
HOW? Quite impressive 2bh, how did they manage that?
Or Nintendo, as the Switch is the best-selling platform for indies right now
>>People claim Steam has no discovery problems
When did anyone ever claim that?
If you can't come up with a good thread idea without inventing fictional people with whom to argue, consider not posting.
Yeah, I forgot to list Nintendo.
How well did A Hat in Time do on Steam?
This guy nailed it. It's a streamer bait game, kids see it, kids want to play it. Most kids don't have a good enough PC to play it there. Most people who DO have a decent enough PC played it during EA and don't want shit to do with it.
All the time when Steam is discussed? Seriously. It's always "Recommendations are great, it's only shit if you buy shit games!" or "Use Curators" or "Steam isn't meant for discovery anyway" while denying flooding the store with shit is having any effect
115k copies. So top-tier by modern Steam standards.
>tfw making a PC game in a genre that won't work well on consoles
I fucking knew it. The game is trash but will still be a big deal when it doesn't sell well. This always happens with """""indie""""" games with an """indie publisher""", Tiny Build in this case.
That being said, the point is there. PC is my primary platform, but there are so many games that it's hard to find any good ones. I'm more likely to discover a decent game on Switch because there was some quality control employed.
Mostly thanks to Youtubers & Streamers.
It's not surprising, there's so much garbage on steam and everyone by now expects games to be on the cheap that they wait for sales instead of getting them day one.
Steam became a huge garbage pile over the last few years. Lack of quality control there is just staggering. I try not to buy anything there anymore and regret ever giving Gabe money so he can use them to provide a platform for over 8000 shitty "games" released over the year. It's insane how quickly it became total shit.
I've heard people defending Steam's lack of quality assurance a number of times. It's worth tearing down since it makes things harder for good devs without advertising budgets.
Cluster truck is fun though
>F-FUCKING PCFAGGOTS, HOW DARE YOU NOT BUY OUR GAME?!
But Hello Neighbour was shit. It says more about how retarded consolefags are if they're the ones buying en masse.
If I want to buy a book, I can still walk in a physical bookstore. Same with physical games. You can expect some quality control if something has physical releases and they're being stocked.
Can't do that with Steam, all digital shit is on a level playing-field, and most of it is dogshit
How the fuck did it sell 500k copies?
Xboners don't have anything else to play.
pc chads actually have taste for once.
its because OC gamers don't buy games until a sale comes along
and even then most PC gamers play F2Ps or multiplayer games
>you sell more units to dumber audiences.
No fucking way
see
>"Steam isn't meant for discovery anyway"
This is partially true, though.
Steam tries to be a place for game recommendations, and it sucks at it, but who ever used Steam to discover games anyway? I'm not saying it's okay for Steam to be a badly organized pile of shovelware with good games buried underneath, but I thought most people found out about good games from friends or other gaming sites and then looked them up directly on Steam to buy them. If randomly browsing the Steam store is how you find new games, try looking literally anywhere else and you'll have a better time. 90% of the time, the only way I ever access the store page for a game is by searching the game's title, because I already know what I want and wouldn't want Steam telling me what to buy even if it were good at it.
>consolecucks have like 200 games to play so they buy crappy indie shovel ware tittles like it means anything.
pubg
on pc first still the biggest game they got?
How the fuck did the xbone sell 500k units?
It didn't, likely sold around 200k.
Still pretty hilariously sad, considering the game is garbage.
Why does steam need to be more than a marketplace for digital games?
You look at Nintendo, all their games get hyped to hell, even piles of shit like ARMS (which has sold over a million copies). The other consoles' games get hyped up too, to a lesser extent.
But there is no hype for games on Valve/Steam. I'm sure there are like 300 games coming out in the next month, but the only one I know of if Kingdom Come Deliverance.
maybe if steam didn't have half the front page taken up by 'curators' like commander shepherd, there'd be more room for games. I can only imagine the slackjawed normies that find that shit funny.
It's become a fucking worse one over time.
>2002
>Buy PS2 to play local multiplayer games
>2018
>Next to no local coop games on consoles compared to the past
pastebin.com
>I can just emulate games or play those that are PC available (Trine, Helldiver, Overcooked, Salt and Sanctuary, The Cave, etc..)
it's not just this game
even a well-received game like Nier sold significantly less than it did on console
Fallout 4 sold 1.34 million on PC
but 7.78 million on PS4, and 4.70 million on Xbone
How? It does the exact same shit it always did. Literally who cares if shit games are on steam? What kind of autist even browses the steam marketplace to find new games?
I haven't looked at the reviews but the game is buggy.
>>Next to no local coop games on consoles compared to the past
This pisses me off to no end.
Nintendo is the only major company that knows the value of local co-op.
?
Steam shows curators you are following. Why are you following that shit?
>implying most pc gamers have friends to recommend them games
>implying that if a pc gamer read a review on a website they wouldn't assume it was a paid review and disregard it
>implying that if a pc gamer bought said game on steam they'd actually play it, let alone install it
>implying steam is anything other than a place to play dota or csgo and brag about the sicc sale you got on games you'll never play
I did for years and years until it went to shit.
Are you retarded? That's the guy running SteamSpy. Pretty sure he doesn't need to promote himself on Sup Forums
it recommends curators if you're not following any. i don't follow any. i'd ideally like to block the frame from showing up, but i don't really want to dick with their chromium shit
Its hit or miss. I've some games I've never heard of due to Steam, but it often takes like 3-5 queues and me clicking "I'm not interested in this" at a time before it stops trying to sell me on what's new and actually recommends me something.
How underage do you have to be to have never browsed the steam front page for games to play.
Steams only been in this state for a bit under half a decade only
>>mr.shifty
>>streets of rogue
>>cluster truck
>>the final station
>Shitting on these games
Fuck off
The games I don't play are the ones that came from bundles that I bought for other games that I do play. Humble Bundle and other bundle sites completely fuck up the collective games-played-to-games-owned ratio on Steam.
>shitty hotline miami wannabe with awful graphics and a dumb gimmick
>incomplete early access crap
>literal twitch bait endless runner, to the point the devs coded in an option to mess with streamers live
>fucking awful and tedious "switch management" game that squandered its entire plot and setting
Maybe try getting some taste
>make acquaintances with hipster grill 10 years younger than me
>she mentions vidya
>ask her what she plays
>has gayman pc
>surprised
>adds me on steam
>check out her games expecting to be full of casual shit
>plays a bunch of h and indy games
>recommends me hacknet
>it's fucking good, feel like L337 h4xo2
>recommends beat cop
>i fucking love it
This stuff never popped up on my discovery shit before wtf
go blog about it faggot