There are people on Sup Forums who get mad about how Okumura wasn't an objectively evil villain when that's literally...

>There are people on Sup Forums who get mad about how Okumura wasn't an objectively evil villain when that's literally the whole point of his arc of the game

But he's an EFFIN ADULT

What did he do?

He wasn’t a nice guy, and was a terrible father later in life, but out of all the MAIN villains, he was the least evil.

literally who

>Works people to suicide and sees his money makers as anything less than at least people who deserve a rest every so often
Naw he's a cool guy.
>People will defend him to be contrarian and to attempt to look "more mature" by implying the way he acts and treats workers is "realistic" as if it being a shitty thing to do wasn't the point of his character and arc

He was basically a bad boss and rumours got out that he was running sweat shops.

The Phantom Theives went after him because they were riding the hype train and loads of people voted for him to be their next target.

They ignored all the clues in his palace. Unlike others (bar Futaba) that frequently portray their owners as cruelly owning living people, Okumura's feels more like he's being a bad boss not out of a desire to rule people but to reach for the stars.

At worst, he set Haru up in a political marriage. It's just the Phantom Theives were at their height of pride before the fall and interpreted all the stuff he did as slavery.

It's fitting that the hit on him was what fucked them over.

I just wish his Palace was better but yea. The whole point was that he wasn't really THAT bad and they just went after him because the public wanted them to. And it failed miserably and everyone turned against them.
It was beginning of the realization that maybe fucking brainwashing people wasn't a good idea.

Didn't he trade his daughter off for more political power, endager his customers by buying cheap substandard ingredients, force employees to work to exhaustion with unpaid overtime and also use psychic contract killers to take out his competition?
Even if all the first examples are just greedy and not evil, killing his competition sure as hell is evil. Goddamn shitty rotten adult!

Literally nobody was forced to work at Okumura's Foods. Everyone could leave.
And if you are at the very top you don't really care about the individuals.

I thought that meme applied only to Kamoshida.
The majority of Sup Forums never made it past the first two or three palaces anyway because "muh boring pacing".

>implying the problem is Okumura himself and not how poorly written the arc was in general

Are you forgetting that he literally ordered for people to be mentally shutdown? He killed people.

Everything involving Haru feels so rushed. You don't really get to know her very well or feel personally involved in her situation.

Why didn't the phantom thieves go fight terrorism or Best Korea something?

thats pretty much what they do if you get the igor ending.

okumura was a villain but his entire storyline felt rushed as shit
>cool we're popular now lets get da bad gais
>wait shit wheres our cat
>oh cool he's with his daughter
>alright palace is over good thing we met the guy in more than one scene or got any confirmation outside the palace from him that he did anything
his entire arc is literally IMPLYING he's bad, we never see him do anything

What would Kim Jong-un's palace be?

...

Nuclear facility

That's kind of the point.

The Theives get lazy with their investigations and just go after him because their fans want them to.

probably a literally palace

>Literally nobody was forced to work at Okumura's Foods
The issue, which made itself apparent when you get the beef bowl job, is that this is the norm at all high school level restaurants. Just because it "isn't the only place", that doesn't make it okay. Even if legality isn't the issue, basic human decency should take it's place. The fact that people work themselves to death under his jurisdiction is the issue and whether you or any other edgelord wants to (or can) comprehend that doesn't change the objectivity behind his wrong doing.

with nukes made out of gold.

>tries to sell daughter to a man who literally tells her he will rape her
>ethically sound

Gg okumurafags

He wasn't a walking shitbag like Kamoshida or Shido, sure, but he's still a dick who put his own position over everybody else. Self serving and ambitious qualities are not intrinsically evil, but he's far from being a saint.

The fact that he had a palace at all meant there was something wrong, and a change of heart just removes "distortions", so in most of the villains cases they got extreme feelings of guilt because they did do bad things, if he didn't do anything wrong than a change of heart wouldn't give him a sense of guilt, futaba didn't feel guilt and she had a change of heart because she didn't do anything worth feeling guilty over, she actually came out better out of it. That's why the change of heart was pretty much right no matter the circumstance because it only negatively affects people who have actually done bad things.

A divine temple to the family of gods.

The argument isn't that he's a good person. It's that he's morally more ambiguous than the other palace rulers who are--other than futaba-- moustache twirling villains.

Golden palace with Dennis Rodman as a mini boss.

>romance a girl
>it never comes up in conversation

You'd think two members of the phantom thieves being in a relationship would open some extra dialogue options

"What is he going to do, rape me?"
-Girl who was raped

he's essentially Jeff Bezos

Haru's arc is the worst part of this game holy shit.
Haru herself is fine though.

Persona 5 has proven that a disgusting amount of people on Sup Forums are too stupid to understand the plot of a game for Japanese teens.

The main thing is that people don't get that the universe's morality isn't as centered around the Phantom Theives as Ryuji likes to think it is.

Even the people who comment on the P. Theives fansite spend most of the game shitting on them.

This might have been true if not for the fact that you end up in a situation where you have to beat him or he'll whore out Haru. It ruined the entire point.

Should have had it so Shido was blackmailing him into doing it knowing he would be the PT next target.