Muh super saiyan Bardock!

What a fucking joke

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SSJ Bardock is canon though. Its stupid, but canon.

its just for his level 3, whats the problem? i didnt like that movie either though. the first bardock movie is best.

The look is cool but the implications that this shit is canon if fucking dumb

It's not though, Toriyama had nothing to do with that special, or the manga that it was adapted from.

well broly isnt canon and hes in there. its just a fanservice game, not a canon deciding game.

>instead of getting killed he's transported to the past
>there's some guy who looks like frieza
>bardock gets buttmad and turns into super saiyan
>now he's the original super saiyan
>goku ends being the son of the first super saiyan
Sometimes the canon is dumb as fuck.

Is the non-teaser trailer still not out yet?

no
it's cool how the teasers are obviously cut from the finished trailers but they won't post the full ones

I mean who really gives a shit? It's a show for children.

Are you upset?

Heroes is dumb.

Pretty sure that's Xenoverse 2, furthermore SS3 Bardock comes from Toriyama's own Dragon Ball Online, in fact he was the final boss before the game's servers went down.

Well the release date wont even be revealed for around 10 more days so of course they have to drag out the content as long as they fucking can.

who the fuck even knows who the first super saiyan was anymore. vegeta pictured a golden great ape, broly was introduced to us and then they did this with bardock. also there's the fact toriyama says super saiyans were common enough in the past that if 5 good ones held hands together, one could SOMEHOW obtain god ki and kick evil super saiyan asses.

>4 Gokus

This is incorrect, the special is an adaptation of the manga which WAS written by back-then Toriyama's official apprentice, who was also a girl mind you.
He later switched from her to Toyotaro as his successor, but she WAS officially Toriyama's protege at the time and he helped her out with it, much like he helps out Toyo these days.

What's to laugh about? Anyone who didn't expect this from a Dragon Ball roster must've been delusional.

At least there's no 25 Gokus like in Budokai 3.

Costumes aren't extra Gokus, stop being a faggot.

Yeah what a fucking joke. The thing everyone should be saying about DB Super but instead you retards just gobble it up. Fucking SUPER SAIYAN BLUE. You gotta be fucking kidding me. Horrendous fucking fan fiction trash but its canon. You retards shouldn't even talk if you support Super.

Dragon Ball would have been kino af if it ended at Freeza arc, actually the Super Famicom game Gokuden had the best end, Vegeta goes SS against Freeza and Goku vs SSj Vegeta on Namek

Toriyama himself said it was a what-if

>what is Android 21

Isn't she in Black Clover

Yeah, he did, I'm just saying it WAS temporarily canon before he dumped her as his successor and called it a what-if upon adopting Toyble.

>caring about dragon ball canon
>caring about canon at all on a spin off

>Gokuden
That one only covers up to Piccolo Daimao.
You're thinking of Super Saiya Densetsu (Legend of the Super Saiyan) on SNES, which is a legit great game with the game actually adapting to you.
You can keep everyone alive against Nappa, you can arrive early as Goku if you do the training with Kaio better than in the anime, you can have EVERYONE survive and participate in the fight against Vegeta, you can have Vegeta survive his fight with Freeza and if he does, he helps Goku fight against Freeza and after you beat Freeza with Vegeta alive in your party, he goes SSJ too and becomes the true final boss of the game.

Xenoverse actually has a Parallel Quest that's a re-enactment of this, where if you manage to keep Vegeta alive against Freeza, you will trigger Ultimate Finish where he turns SSJ and becomes the new final enemy of that quest.

Bardock has been a joke character since 2011.

The only redeemable feature he has is being a piece of shit that looks like the protagonist of the franchise, but even that role has been supplanted first by Turles and much later by Goku Black to a far better effect.

Turles has never been better or more iconic than Bardock though.
And Bardock isn't evil either, he's anti-hero.
Goku was the hero, Bardock was the anti-hero Goku-Clone and Turtles was the villain Goku-Clone, but Turles' role has been supplanted by Zamasu who did the whole "Villain Goku" thousand times better than Turles.
There is no replacement for Bardock though.

I think you meant Budokai tenkaichi 3.
>5 base gokus, 1 monkey goku, 3 ss gokus, 1 ss2 gokus, 2 ss3 gokus, 1 ss4 goku, bardock, monkey bardock, 3 fusions
>a total of 18 gokus

woops I forgot evil goku and monkey evil goku
so that's 20 gokus.

What’s funny is that apparently Bardock and Goku are saiyen prodigies, yet... Radditz is garbage

what's with db fans and their "canon" autism. Who gives a shit, it's fucking dragon ball

The series should have ended with SSJ Vegeta preventing Goku, Gohan, Piccolo and Kuririn from escaping an exploding Namek, so Goku stays behind and they duel on the exploding planet, it doesn't matter who wins, it's never revealed

Vegeta would never be able to go super saiyan at that point.

How did Black get his Rose form?

But Bardock can with a battle power of 10,000? If he survived the Freeza battle and received the Zenkai boost he would be pretty close, the only thing he didn't do was gravity training. SSJ nsformation is more about emotional state anyway, if he witnessed Goku transform it could have triggered that fustration and pain

If you believe the wiki for whatever reason, our current assumption is that the First Super Saiyan is the same faglord that was the original Super Saiyan God.

blue of ssb + god soul or whatever does that

thats what pisses me off. toriyama just tossed goku's BROTHER to the side and that was it. no redemption and no chance at joining the z fighters. would have been cool to see him interact with Vegeta.

By not being retarded and realizing Saiyan bodies are OD unlike Goku.
Don't know why nobody cared about exploiting such a big plotdevice before Super but hey if it works.

hey i love my four flavors of goku!

>Vanilla Goku
>Blueberry Goku
>Strawberry Goku
>Classic Homemade Vanilla Goku

Mint Chocolate Goku when?

Canon stops with cell. Even then, that's pushing it. Everything after cell and all the movies are bullshit.

He went SSB, but since he already has God ki, he went Rose instead.
Hair color is probably related to the color of his default aura, which is purple, being lighter due to the yellow SS.

I'm sure if they brought Raditz back and did a training montage he'd get super buff. Or maybe not because of his low S-cell count

Why do people throw so many autism tantrums over Dragon Ball?

canon stops with goku arriving at earth. Everything after meeting Gohan and all the movies are bullshit.

woah, what a great turn around! you totally got me. Damn, who taught you how to argue? I need some tips because I just got blown the fuck out. haha.

>SSJ is more about emotional state anyway

Is that why Goten, Kid Trunks, and Caulifla all easily obtain the form with no hardship whatsoever? I would like it if it actually worked in the way you describe, don't get me wrong but we're long past that point I'm afraid.

I think the reason of that it's Gine had Raditz when Bardock wasn't that strong.

I was just making fun of canon fagging, didn't thought you were going to get mad about it.

>Only what I like matters
>Argument

Basically a corruption of Zamasu's energy in Goku's body.

He lets it go to his head as usual and glorifies it as he transforms.

stop, thats my all time favorite flavor. maybe at the end of super when he turns SSJ ultra Instinct

You didn't need to samefag. No one actually cares

what. Turles came before Bardock.

Autists getting asspained over what if scenarios in fighting games are the best. I bet these same people were asshurt about Oni and Evil Ryu in SF4 not for being shotoclones but for ruining the 3S canon too.

Well to be fair, SSJ1 Bardock is from an OVA or movie I think. They just took from that for his level 3. I would prefer if they didn't, Bardock eating it to Freiza and being unable to save anyone at all is a better story than time travel horseshit.

Please call hime Tullece, Turles sounds like a gross Turtle man. His name is a pun on lettuce, Turles is by far the worst dub name along with Hercule, but that was almost understandable because Satan may have been too extreme for Cartoon Network. Also Launch pisses me off... Why change the pun?

>yfw Bardock, Gohan and Broly went SSJ4 in Heroes

If you can post the full name of this character you will get a gf

how is Lunch a pun?

I think a fan server for DBO went up this week. Does anyone know if DBO is worth playing?

supa-saiya-jin 4 Baddock (with mask)

Almost all Dragon Ball characters are named after food, Lunch fits that theme

that's Superman 4 Time Destroyer Broccoli, nimrod.

Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Full Power Time Breaker Xeno Broly?

It's part of a naming theme, but it's not a pun.

You forgot the dark dragonball & Knuckles

I wonder why they've never bothered to bring DB Heroes to the west.
They might localise a switch port to capitalise on Fighterz hype.

It's just one of those early Funimation things that should be forgotten

In ~150 online matches so far I've seen a dramatic intro only once. Ending never, even though I use Nappa and Frieza regularly.

>And Bardock isn't evil either, he's anti-hero.
I never understand why people think this and why he is portrayed constantly as being good in anyway.
Bardock was your typical asshole Sayian that slaughters millions and conquered planets with pure joy.
Standing up to Freeza to save your shitty race does not exclude all the atrocities he committed in his name.
Bardock went to hell.

>the implications that this shit is canon if fucking dumb
The story behind it is stupid but it's still the same Bardock. I would much rather have asshole saiyan Bardock that we love as a Super Saiyan than the butchered cuck Bardock that Toriyama made canon in DBM.

A lot of the non canon was cash grabs, make no sense to the story and re-hashed previous sagas.
If Toriyama wrote it, it is canon(expect minus because it is dog shit) and if he did not, then it is not canon.

Yeah, it's pretty rough seeing them. I've only got the Goku kills Frieza ending, once. I had to meticulously plan kills with a planet buster supers and switch the guys team a lot to have Frieza last. Thankfully he didn't skip it.

In xenoverse they said that all of the movies took place in separate realities.

As long as one SS4 character makes it for DLC. I'll be happy.

Not either of them. but you're a faggot.

You mean like the implications of Zeno being canon where he could have just blinked U7 out of existence at any given time during any saga and no one would be the wiser, thus making everyones' struggles up to the ToP a pointless drop in the bucket? I think SSJ Bardock is way less offensive than some actually canon shit.

I choose to ignore Bardock as a whole. He's not awful or anything, but everything about him almost contradicts canon and/or is generally stupid.

Bardock ever going Super Saiyan makes absolutely no sense but at least it's just for his level 3. I can live with that.

imo, Father of Goku is the only good version of Bardock. Episode of Bardock is silly and Dragon Ball Minus is somehow even worse than that.

I think the best answer for what's canon and what isn't canon is just his panels in Dragon Ball. I think Father of Goku does have a bit of credence too though since it was good enough to make Toriyama actually make Bardock canon in Dragon Ball.

lol no, it's not and was never canon. there's no basis for every calling it canon.

as far as the manga and actual canon goes, where are the contradictions? he's in like what, one or two panels?

I don't think DBM is even official canon, just some promotional garbage to introduce Gine.

that's what makes him a great character, he's just the typical (above) average Saiyan who just got some karmic justice bestowed upon him in an interesting way.

DBM was also promoting Jaco.

Manga is fine of course, it's all the extra material you mentioned that screws everything up.

Bardock only goes super sayian in his Level 3 anyways. He's normal the rest of the time

Watching Father of goku years ago when it aired on television in the states made me like bardock. Everything else with him is retarded and is obviously a cash grab. I also like stories when the doom is coming and the protagonist is powerless to stop it. It made goku's fight vs frieza even more important with that little scene of Bardock seeing goku vs frieza face each other. Makes me wish they would just leave shit alone. There was no reason to revisit bardock.

Saiyans are kinda cool characters and Bardock had a cooler design and was given some sort of mission/story.
There's nothing deep to him the same way Vegeta, Turles, and Broly are all the slightly different takes on what a Saiyan should be, though you can say Broly is when you take Saiyan traits to the extreme.
The only real unique Saiyans are Goku and Paragus. And he's completely irrelevant in the entirety of the franchise but Paragus is surprisingly one of the more well written characters.
It's easy to see why people would like them.

yeah, it's practically fan fiction tier imo either way. gotta remember Toriyama didn't even create Bardock.

afaik, he gave some notes on the design and changed some of his team members names, but otherwise Bardock and his story is not his character. he just liked it enough to make it canon.

yeah, but it's all non canon. even Father of Goku is technically non canon, even though it's by far the best Bardock story and the reason why he's canon in the first place.

agreed, the other shit is completely unnecessary, aside from the video games, but he's a popular character so what can you do.

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I like Turles because of how he presented himself early on. He was focused and calm despite having the typical Saiyan traits. I think that the difference between Cooler and Frieza is the same as the difference between Turles and Vegeta. One is based on the other and they're kinda the same but there's a slight difference in how they go about things. At least the English versions, I've heard that Japanese Frieza talks wildy different from English Frieza.

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Money always ruins everything in time. I do like how Kai starts out with episode of bardock. Some things kai did I really liked.

>I've heard that Japanese Frieza talks wildy different from English Frieza.
Japanese Freeza speaks very politely.

Super Saiyajin 4 dark Broly

Shitty writing that Blackfags ignore in order to keep masturbating to a 25 year old concept

>Palette swaps instead of real alternate costumes
>Too few characters
>Only 2 females
>Android 21 is too young
>3v3 instead of 2v2
>No what if forms or fusions unless you count 21 Cell absorbed or 21 in general
FighterZ is a joke.

>SSJ Bardock is canon though

It's objectively not. The story that introduces SS Bardock is supposed to explain the origin of the Super Saiyan, but according to Toriyama, it's not Bardock but Yamoshi. Plus the author herself admitted that it wasn't canon.

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the fuck? wrong post, friend.