Alright guys, is it really THAT good

Alright guys, is it really THAT good....

anyone who gives it above a 5/10 is fucking delusional

t. someone who has over 50 hours of playtime

It's okay but has too many bugs that could break your game.

Come back in a few months.

I honestly cannot believe a game with such a shitty comical name like "Kingdom Come: Deliverance" actually was successful.

Yes

It's fun.

Yes it's great

I've been enjoying the heck out of it, but it's far from a polished or even complete experience. It's novel for what it does, though.

As someone who loves RPGs, yea, it's good.

I GUESS I GOTTA HIDE AWAY
FAR AWAAAAY

It's a cool game and fun, but I'd be hard pressed to give it anything above an 8/10.

Indeed

It's one of those games that's kind of janky but worth playing anyways because it's ambitious and unique.

kys fanboy

>No magic

It's shit

I'd say mechanically it's a pretty big mess.

The game's set up to make anything pretty much impossible at 0 level of skill. Which is fine for the point of forcing training on you from NPCs: In the vein of "maybe you should get instructions before trying to do something the drunk illiterate blacksmith's son has no experience with". But it's structured so you have to rely on those 0 skills: Lockpicking and Defense before you can receive training for them.

I'm particularly irked that outside of the solo melee and archer backups that fighting multiple enemies isn't tough because they're credible threats that have to be dealt with in a logical tandem; they're tough because you default to the locked on combat where the AI reads your moves, and can stall with flailing animations after your successful attacks. Which keeps them out of your reach, prevents you from moving at all, stops you form responding to other enemy attacks and generally having the enemy being invincible while simultaneously you're vulnerable to a second enemy's attacks, your stamina is prevented from recharging regardless if your hit was parried, dodged, or you actually hit.

wew 600 iq contrarian gam3r here
better listen to his factual opinion or you might get called reddit

one of the best games in recent years

You receive both lockpicking and defense training before any major (or even minor) combat encounters right after you get to Rattay, from Peshek and Bernard. In Bernard's case, it's actually part of the main quest.

It's not bad, it's sucks because you can't be a mage.

Hello,

is this the thread where I can vent my frustration on a videogame?

crossbows or at least archery perks were needed. it will help replay value and archery needs more features

But none of that happens before the end of the "tutorial" Between Skalitz and Talmberg and Skalitz again.

You're presented the option to steal a suit of armor from locked chests as a means to escape Talmberg. If you did not practice hoarding in Skalitz you maybe have the capital to buy three lockpicks to try a minigame you've never seen before. If you get Stephanie to give you bribe money you can get more but that only adds slightly on the top to the chances.

Going with an intended 'solution' from Stephanie's thread to bribe your way out; you'll have no option to deal with a blacksmith or acquire any armor even if you do busy yourself picking flowers or the like. Without the armor you're entirely dependent on 0 ranked and not-fully-working defense skill to make it to the dedicated lose point in Skalitz, with an extra wrinkle if the player didn't get enough strength to wield Radzig's sword.

RACISM
RACISM
RACISM

crossbows weren't invented when it takes place tho

Crossbows have been around since at least 6th century BC

You can get free lockpicks from Fritz in Skalitz, and the lock itself is Very Easy. You will have three bottles of Saviour Schnapps and various other hard savepoints to allow you to retry if you fail. If you get the bribe money, you can just bribe your way out without having to complete the minigame in the first place. You can also literally just jump off of the drawbridge to get away. Lockpicking isn't remotely necessary to progress.

You do not need defense to fight the avoidable bandits you encounter on the road to Skalitz, either. They're almost incapable of blocking your attacks and do piss-poor damage. You would have to have monumentally fucked up your build not to be able to wield the sword without passing the necessary speech checks to get out with enough money to pay for better gear, or be unable to sneak around them.

>crossbows weren't invented
>1403
Is this bait?

The crossbow was particularly prominent in European warfare from the battle of Hastings (1066) until about 1525.

Straight from wiki my dood

WHERES MY PATCH

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Any word on them lowering the XP gain and sell values in this oncoming patch? Your prowess ramps up incredibly quick.

nothing I believe
I hope it will happen tho, game is way too easy after a hobo phase and hobo phase is too short
Talmberg knights should take back armour from you after prologue, it was stolen from them after all

It's fun. 6.5/10

I just don't get the appeal of it. If I wanted a "realistic" medieval experience I'd just go live in the woods behind my house. Medieval times were fucking awful.

game has terrible rendering
and my autism cant handle medieval people swearing in christs name without being stoned
wish it was better

vavra the patch

evil racist trump racism

Do they actually swear? I remember a lot of people crossing themselves when they invoke the name of the lord, but never swearing.

If you go into it expecting a well polished 10/10 game, you'll be disappointed. That being said I do think its bugs/glitches are being blown out of proportion. I have had two crashes in 25 hours of gameplay, and my PC is nearing 5 years old, so I have a hard time believing anybody who isn't on a toaster and knows how to upgrade a driver is getting hordes of gamebreaking shit.
If you can come to terms with that, it's pretty refreshing to play a game you can take slow and sink a ton of hours into. It has a lot of nuanced mechanics that are great to see in the game because the devs wanted them in there, mass appeal be damned. It's not for everybody and the combat needs some work, but it's a step in the right direction. Also, if you care about this in vidya, it has some of the better voice acting and writing I've experienced in what is usually really fucking cringeworthy in the industry. Dialogue and relationships actually feel authentic, for the most part.

Which horse is fastest?

>not using your starter horse
he was even a gift
how can you throw away a gift?

did you even look in its mouth?

he's slow

no

LEAVE PEBBLES ALONE

ur slow

Crossbows were outlawed by the pope

>hating on pebbles
NORMIES
REEEEEEEEE

did anyone else spend 3 hours trying to kill the two bandits in the woods for the ginger quest

Pebbles is based but I think he's referring to the horse you get at the very very start you use to escape, you technically still have him when you leave Talmberg

>three hours
..man

There was a part on that quest where I came across two large bandit groups fighting each other in the forest with very high tier gear. I made it a point that I NEEDED to kill at least 1 of them and nigger all his stuff, fucker took like 7 arrows and a lot of sword hits to die.

its stalker tier
a glitchy buggy mess that carves out its own niche. people will be talking about this forever if modders/developers fix all the bugs. its got potential. theres a good game under all the jank but your going to have to put up with it.

yea the cumans swear a lot along with some of the characters saying damn casually as well as 'fack' it shouldn't irritate me as much as it does

swearing was common as fuck back then are you stupid?

probably not, Pebbles really is slow, cowardly and weak
you should swap him as soon as possible

Slavs are the only ones who still make good games since they aren't infected with the SJW virus.

paprika turks

That's something I didn't get even back when STALKER came out.
Do people really find jank that off putting? Would they rather a far more dull but polished game instead of a janky gem?
I dunno, I'm someone who loves STALKER and thinks that it's infinitely better to have a game like it than AAA trash
KC:D isn't even that janky though

>cumans
the cumans are rightly despised as barbarian heathens tho

a very problematic game.

No, it's pretty good, though. As usual mods will save it. The story is way too short and spends way too much faffing about, but the sidequests are fun and so is the combat, provided you put in the time it takes to get good, both in terms of the actual techniques and raising your stats.

> can't create your own character
> a cutscene every time you talk to someone
> bugs
> garbage combat
It's trash

>3 hours

No.. like 10 min maybe, 3 tries

Yes.

It's one of the few games that actually tries to be historically accurate and it does a reasonably good job at portraying a medieval setting. It's not perfect but being better than everyone else is enough to set it apart - at least up to the point where someone does better.
The world is very well designed. The villages look like people could actually survive there. The NPCs have schedules and do what one would expect them to do, they don't just stand around like RadiantAI zombies in TES games. Also, they react to player input, e.g. drawing a weapon near them, sneaking around near them, etc.
When it comes to quest design, lots of quests have multiple solutions and some also have multiple outcomes.
The combat system is pretty good once one has understood how it works (maintaining stamina rather than flailing at the enemy). It's not perfect yet, and kinda clunky when the player faces multiple opponents, but they were definitely on the right path.

What I would criticise is most of all that the player character, Henry, does too much without player consent. e.g. attacking Lord Capon or not should have been up to the player. Things like that alienate the player from his character, which is bad game design in a role playing game, where the player is supposed to define his character rather than the writer. Given that the people involved previously mostly made non-RPG games, it may be that they're simply not used to the genre's limitations and conventions that don't allow just any kind of story telling.
Typical Mass Effect like problems, that the summary the player is shown in the dialogue menu does not tell the player precisely what his character is going to do are well known issues as well that are simply bad design in an RPG (e.g. the choice to take your shirt off in front of Lady Stephanie results in Henry cucking Lord Divish rather than just taking his shirt off).
Bugs are an issue as well, but that's a given in the genre and a price of complexity.

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Are you a mongoloid?

"garbage combat"

>Goes to play Asscreed origins

The combat sucks and it has zero replay value. It's a cool concept but a 7/10 at best.

>e.g. the choice to take your shirt off in front of Lady Stephanie results in Henry cucking Lord Divish rather than just taking his shirt off
I mean, I could see that coming from a mile away. Fucking noble lady visiting you in the middle of the night, the she pulls that shit and tries to make you change in front of her.

Like what the fuck were you expecting?

80 hours in and its the best RPG I've played in many years. You can tell its made by people who are passionate about games and not overeducated numales who are more interested in injecting their politics instead of making great games.
The game has lots of content, I still haven't finished the main quest and I still have a lot a side quests remaining, its the only game since TW3 that I will 100%.
If the game sorts out its bugs, gets a good modding scene and a good sized expansion it will be a classic.

Its restored my love of gaming

Don't listen to the other faggots. Yes, they should be there. I'm hoping they're not because they got locked into a release date with their publisher and didn't have time, since crossbows are mentioned, and there's a hidden crossbow skill. There's also mods that re-enable cut bow perks. Again, I'm hoping it was cut because their publisher demanded a release, and not because they realized they realized they can sell them in DLC.

What do you get for turning in bandit and cuman ears?

Nigger are we playing the same game? It's a nice game but the gameplay is extremely average and the story is fucking short. The game has no replay value. Mods will MAYBE save it. The combat system that's in place is only there out of laziness.

>I mean, I could see that coming from a mile away.
You could, my issue is that you could not pinpoint the moment. The actual decision to cuck divish was hidden behind a choice that ultimately was not about cucking divish but about taking off a shirt. I wouldn't be upset if taking off your shirt would have resulted in Lady Stephanie taking action, but it was actually Henry who initiated it - and he did it without player consent.

This is bad game design in an RPG. The player character should not act or talk without player consent.

>Alright guys, is it really THAT good....
It truly is a flawed masterpiece

It's a matter of properly communicating to the player, not expectation. Expecting things to happen beyond what you're told is complete guesswork because any number of things can happen, I'm not the writer. A Cuman archer could pop up in the window and shoot Stephanie in the fucking face for all I know. Expecting more than what is told to you in an RPG is dumb, if I wanted to cuck Lord Divish I should have been given the option to do so.

Definitely going to be contender for my GOTY.
It actually feels like an RPG, I would prefer that it goes into that a bit more while having a bit more jank as a cost, but they went for a relatively polished experience.
So yeah, relatively polished RPG that actually feels like a basic RPG

well ya but the way they swear is wrong if you know hungarian

But
>muh cinematic experience
Fuck everyone in this thread that's calling this game some sort of old-school RPG because it's buggy.

ban racism from videogames


there are hidden swastikas in this game


sam hyde

>Feels like an rpg
>can't create own character
>extremely shallow perks system
>boring skills that don't really do shit
Are we playing the same kind of RPG's? Do you think AC is an RPG too?

>muh cinematic experience
That's the main problem. People need to stop developing RPGs as if they were movies. It didn't work in Mass Effect, it didn't work in Dragon Age 2, and even Alpha Protocol could have been better with less "cinematic" dialogue.

The Bloodlines approach to dialogue would have been better here.

I still maintain that it's inexperience on the Dev's side with developing RPGs though.

>Do people really find jank that off putting?
Yes. I think the majority of people would take a completely average game in all regards that runs smooth and has no wonkiness than something that excels in a few categories here and there and lacks quite a bit in others. People dig games that are as shallow as a puddle but a mile wide.

I'm primarily a P&P RPG player. For me it's the approach to the world. The immersion aimed for, as well as the freedom to solve shit how you want. Although the game is certainly limited in what you can do (I was kind of annoyed you can't tell the random begger girls you find to gag on your dick for their money for example), it definitely has a good feel to it.

yea but shit like 'fuck' wasnt used at all and swearing on god or damning someone was riskier as faith played a bigger role then it does in todays time

Your father literally mentions crossbows in the first 30 minutes of the game

>kcd budget - 37m
>witcher 3 budget - 46m

Ah, I am the opposite. Although it's a horrible analogy, you could say: Where would you rather go to university for mathematics? The uni that is only good at mathematics, but absolutely trash in everything else or the higher ranked uni that is okay in everything but inferior in mathematics?
There are definitely people who choose the latter here, while the former gives a better experience and better jobs.

Dude, they had firearms at that point. Ever seen a Hakenbuchse?

Its a great game but fuck its lockpicking minigame.

I would consider it as good as Fallout4
if you like Fallout 4 enough to beat it once
you will like this game enough to beat it once as well

there is zero replay value so you only play it once anyway

fucking faggot

How is the combat lazy? If anything they tried to put to much in to it. It has Combos, parries, clinches, riposte. All the combat needs is a counter to master strikes and it would be a lot better. Maybe make the stab a light attack that cant be parried.

>witcher 3 all-time steam peak - 92,268
>KCD all-time steam peak - 95,863
*thinks*

more like "anyone who gives it above a 1/10".
the game is fun, but that's only when it actually works. it's fucking terrible as it is, and that's ignoring all of the dumb shit intentionally put into it.

fucking american cuck just stick with zelda you future suicided degenerate

>comparing this game to fallout
what kind of disability do you have?

>Stab a light attack that can't be parried
FUCKING
TRIGGERED

It's easier to program lock-on combat compared to a complete freedom-style combat.

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