Indefinite prison for suspect who won’t decrypt hard drives

>US federal prosecutors urged a federal appeals court late Monday to keep a child-porn suspect behind bars—where he already has been for seven months—until he unlocks two hard drives that the government claims contain kid smut.

>The suspect, a Philadelphia police sergeant relieved of his duties, has refused to unlock two hard drives and has been in jail ever since a judge's order seven months ago—and after being foundin contempt of court. The defendant can remain locked up until a judge lifts the contempt order.

>The government said Monday he should remain jailed indefinitely until he complies. The authorities also said that it's not a violation of the man's Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination because it's a "foregone conclusion" that illegal porn is on the drives and that he is only being asked to unlock the drives, not divulge their passcodes.

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/05/feds-say-suspect-should-rot-in-prison-for-refusing-to-decrypt-drives/

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Sounds fine, he's obviously hiding his criminal activity

hi we want you to self-incriminate yourself it's not against the self-incrimination thing because .......... ?

idgi

>"I forgot the password"
>spend few years with nigga Tyrone showing you the way of the sissy
>sue the government for massive physical and mental trauma as well as violation of the 5th amendment
>live your way on govt-issued childpornbucks for the rest of your life

Why doesn't he just say the password is
cat dev/zero > dev/sda

> be cop
> hate someone
> plant hard-drive with random data written to it on him
> jail them indefinitely until they decrypt child porn from it

#corruption

great idea, lawl enforcement. what happened to the burden of proof rests on the accuser ?

Should just get automatic death sentence if you don't decrypt a drive. Obviously hiding his extreme criminal activity.

(You)

>WE WILL NOT NAME THE PERSON WHO IS DETAINED
>BECAUSE ITS NOT REAL AND WE ARE JUST SCAREMONGERING PEOPLE
HOLY SHIT THIS ARTICLE AGAIN?

Holy shit, never thought about that.
>plant encrypted drive with nothing illegal on it but random data
>hey fucko decrypt the drive
>b..but i've never seen that drive before... it's not mine and i don't know the password or have a key.
>you are obviously lying so we will jail you indefinitely until you open up the drive

This could be abused so easily. This is why 1s and 0s should not be considered a crime.

Hes stuck in jail otherwise, chances are he's not going to pay a good enough lawyer to get him out.

Because they have obviously cloned his drive already. Do you think he's mentally handicapped?

Why do you think this case with a mysterious unnamed police sergeant from Philly is currently happening? Gotta set a precedent for this stuff going forward.

They want you dealt with, but they ain't got nothin' on ya? No problem. You just get to sit in jail until you can decrypt a drive/file container/whatever that you've never seen before in your life.

>some guy gets jailed indefinitely on obvious bullshit charges
Where the fuck is the EFF when you need it?
I didn't donate to these fucks so they can sit on thier asses and pretend to do something useful.

They're busy working on Privacy Badger. They don't have time for trivial bullshit like this.

>trivial bullshit
Nigger, this case is setting a precedent. If the government wins this, they can use the case to jail ANYONE who refuses to decrypt their HDD using the same reasoning.
If you don't thibk that's fucking terrifying, you're invited to upload the contents of every HDD you own RIGHT NOW and post the link here in this thread.

Might want to get your sarcasm detector checked out by a licensed technician, friendo. I fully realize the implications of this case. I also fully realize that the only things the EFF is good for is churning out half-finished browser "privacy" plugins and selling kids stickers for their laptops.

>his legal system is based on precedents
>his country is not a pile of shit
pick one

Man, that's some low quality bait. You went too far and everyone can see that it's bait. You didn't call him a pedophile enough or use any subtly fallacious arguments.

Well then you might want to get your reaction selector checked, since this is not a fucking joke and definitely not a case for sarcasm.

>murika

My reaction selector doesn't even boot anymore since the move to systemd. And while I agree that this isn't a joke, I also realize that humor is about the only reasonable reaction to it, as we're all powerless to stop this. The government is going to do whatever it wants to do to control you, and you can only fight it so much.

Someone called him a pedophile, and in this country that means you automatically are. It doesn't matter if he coughs up the passphrase, and he knows it. They already have control of his drives, and they're sure as hell not going to let a case precedent this important and empowering slip through their fingers if he turns out to be innocent. If he plays ball, they're going to "find" child porn on his drives, even if they have to put it there themselves. If he stays the course, they at least have to keep fighting it out in court in the hopes of getting this case to stick.

Neither the EFF, nor any other "advocacy" groups are going to come to this guy's aid. Hell, none of them are even mentioning this case. This is par for the course. It's all about laptop stickers and demonstrations about trivial nonsense.

>we're all powerless to stop this
What the fuck happened to hacker culture? 10 years ago we would have fucked the government until the bureaucrat fags couldn't have walked anymore.

I guess I'm just part of a dying culture. These days everyone just rolls over and takes it up the ass whenever the governmentvgoons say so.
It's quite depressing to watch this. Makes me wish I had died sooner so I wouldn't have to witness this shit.
pic related, it's what Sup Forums could be if you stopped fapping to loli for 10 minutes and actually got shit done.

Do something about it then you faggot

>10 years ago we would have fucked the government until the bureaucrat fags couldn't have walked anymore.

Nah, bro. We wouldn't have done any such thing.

>hacker culture

Provided you're actually old enough to remember a time when this was relevant, you'll recall that it died out sometime after the Eternal September hit. I think what you mean when you mention "hacker culture" is actually "hacktivism" and probably of the Sup Forums variety.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Anonymous isn't actually Legion, and never was. Unless you count wearing plastic movie masks and shouting angrily at Scientologists.

>Im 14 years old the post

>I'm part of a dying culture
NIgger you're not a hacker. If you were you wouldn't be whining on here for 'us hackers' to get back at the mean ol' government.

>John McAfee
Looney bin CS douche who sells shit-tier AV, and joins the presidential race for publicity

>What the fuck happened to hacker culture?
You seem confused. The only culture on Sup Forums is gamer culture.

Doesn't matter. At least people did SOMETHING back then, even if it was just messing around. People had at least a spark of defiance left in them.
Today it's just pure defeatism.

Okay, kid.

I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out how much the culture has changed.
Looking back at the 90s, it seems like we're living in a totally different world today. It's frightening how fast society can degrade.

A single person can only do so much. Even if I hacked some government server, it wouldn't change a lot about today's society. The whole story would be in the newspaper for a maybe a day, until the attention span of the public shifts to some starlet flashing her tits or some shit.
Today's society is fucked from the ground up.

He hasn't been associated with McAfee for years.

>self-incriminate yourself
Who else are you going to self-incriminate?

shut up Jordan

Things made of atoms should not be a crime

This. Don't know why Sup Forums is defending this pedophile.

How is it that you can tell that someone's a kid just from their writing style? Is it just me?

He's been detained for 7 months... What's the standard sentence in 'murica for possession of child pornography?

>foregone conclusion
Nonsense! They have no evidence that there is anything illegal on those drives. If they did, they would not need to decrypt them.

>jailed indefinitely until he complies
This IS a violation of his fifth amendment rights to not be deprived of liberty without due process.

He's clearly guilty, though. If he wasn't, why wouldn't he just decrypt it?

Because the government is saying that they can convict him without evidence on the drives, refuses to convict him without using the evidence on the drives, and then locks him up for not giving them the evidence on the drives.

It's super shitty and can be used against people who have done no wrong. Encryption and a desire for privacy immediately becomes an admission of guilt that they will arrest you for but never charge you.

So it doesn't matter if he's guilty or not, what matters is that the government refuses to either charge him or let him go.

>Don't know why Sup Forums is defending this pedophile.
We're all innocent until proven guilty.If the authorities really cared about stopping crimes of this nature,there are plenty of other techniques they could use,namely old-school detective work.You don't prevent crime by shitting all over the Constitution simply because you're a lazy,opportunistic,piece of shit,who doesn't want to do the work you are paid to do.

If he has something illegal on his hard disk, how are they supposed to prove it using "old-school detective work"?

>He's clearly guilty, though.
If he is clearly guilty, then they should have no problem convicting him in a court of law without his contribution to the evidence against him.

>If he wasn't, why wouldn't he just decrypt it?
He could be under a non-disclosure agreement not only to never divulge the contents of that drive, but also never to divulge that there is anything of interest on there in the first place. Also, there is a matter of principle. The government should never under any circumstance be allowed to compel someone to provide evidence against themselves in a court of law.

In case you aren't aware of just how important the fifth amendment right against self incrimination, please see this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Are you ignoring the fact that they detected illegal activity from him and his own sister said he was looking at cp?

oh look its this thread again, full of the same people who do not realize that the rules are different for cases such as digital cp, and the people who say they will encrypt their drives to be a martyr when in fact they wouldnt last more than one night in jail

but whatever, keep spouting shit anyways you tools

Why even post on Sup Forums when a majority of the site has filtered your trip?

Are you ignoring the fact that I never said he was innocent?

>how are they supposed to prove it using "old-school detective work"?
Let him go and monitor his activities at home.Simply pretend there's no issue and watch him.Contact his ISP and demand his data records.These pedo retards fuck up all the time.

Then what, exactly, was your post arguing? That the government has every right to detain him?

Nigga they detected illegal activity from his network and his sister also threw him under the bus. How much more "old school detective work" should they do?

Remember how we didn't have stalker laws until recently? A stalker could say, "I want to kill you, I want to put a gun to the back of your head and shoot you." And then repeatedly send this message to their victim all day everyday while also walking ominously by their house or staring at them from across the street, but the authorities couldn't do ANYTHING until he actually said he was going to kill the victim or actually did something to them or their property.

So, with that being said, are you saying we should let him go, wait until he downloads some more cp or creates some cp of his own, and then detain him? Guess it sucks to be those kids.

Or they could use the evidence that they already gathered and used to make his guilt a "forgone conclusion".

That they are illegally detaining him. They are in essence saying: "This man is irrefutably guilty, we have evidence for it. However, we will not convict him with this evidence that 100% proves he is guilty, we will instead hold him in jail until he produces more evidence against himself."

Imagine if they did that to people who stole things, just arresting them until they could produce the goods that they stole, even if they did something like sell it. Everyone would be in uproar over it. The only reason why people aren't in uproar over this is because the guy is a pedophile.

He is probably being held in the county jail on the city's dime so they are just wasting their own money on him.

They can't put him in prison until he is found guilty.

He's just gonna stay quiet and wear them down, He knows they wont hold him forever.

idiot.

And if they were to take him to court and he won he could never be charged again. Good strategy.

Instead, they're waiting for him to produce a guilty verdict for himself so he has no opportunity to escape punishment.

Please, do point out where I said he was innocent. I've got all day.

And that is a violation of his rights. Even pedophiles have rights until they are officially convicted.

It's like you guys know absolutely nothing about how cops deal with child pornography.

Here's two facts.
The most innocent person you know could have a terabyte of CP in their house and you would never suspect it.
You only get raided for CP if your IP is on a sites logs or someone reports physically you.

But I get it, you autists are afraid of authority and think the governments lurking behind every corner.
End your lives and make the world a better place.

You realize that most all of the Chans have dealt with bouts of faggots spamming "LE EPIC CP! XDD!" Any one of us could be jailed without having ever viewed that shit.Who knows,maybe some day you post something on Facebook that pisses off some normies,triggering a call to the authorities.Next thing you know,you're sitting in prison,not because of your smart ass comments,but because of where you choose to hang out on the internet.

Shit nigga it's almost like you're not aware he had child porn.

Going back to your comparison about theft to this whole ordeal... of course people would be in an uproar if a thief was detained indefinitely, theft us a petty crime in most instances and can be easily reversed.

Try reversing a 6 year old kid posing nude for his uncle.

>Nigga they detected illegal activity
That's all they need then.You don't break laws to enforce laws.FFS are people really this brainwashed these days?

So, what's next?

how does his looking at CP rape the kid harder?

According to your "logic" if no one witnesses a crime then no one should be punished.

>Guess it sucks to be those kids.
Indeed.If these retards in law enforcement really cared,they could easily rally for the funds to stop these crimes constitutionally.I hate pedos as much as the next guy,but I refuse to be stripped of my rights as a citizen and a taxpayer,simply to provide the authorities with an opportunistic approach to their duties.

Dude, I know he is guilty. Stop thinking that I don't when I've literally posted this three times now. Please re-read my posts because obviously you're too stupid for them to sink in after one go-through.

Alternatively just fuck off because it's like I'm talking to a broken record. I've explained in every single one of my posts that he's guilty, look, I'll even quote it because obviously you're too fucking stupid to even read holy shit.

>the government is saying that they can convict him without evidence on the drives

>I never said he was innocent?

>the guy is a pedophile.

>Even pedophiles have rights until they are officially convicted.

Jesus fuck you're an idiot and yes, I am mad at how your idiocy eclipses even the barest shred at discussing how the government is shitting all over someone's rights and people are letting the government off scott-free because the guy is a pedophile.

Fuck I wish I could hate you to death you're too stupid to live.

Sup Forums is full of pedos, they don't want to rot in prison when feds ask them to decrypt their encrypted gentoo partitions

Stop buying cocaine and the cocaine dealer becomes broke.

Stop downloading/distributing cp and no kids will have to pose for cp.

Lol you typed all that out and I'm reading a damn thing. Stay mad.

Go download cp as well, it's clear you think we can have encrypted drives that should never EVER have to be decrypted so why not?

If they cannot convict him without him self-incriminating, he deserves to go free. Even if he is guilty, the constitution demands that he not be required to incriminate against himself. It also demands that he not be held without due process, AND that he be given a speedy and public trial. So they can't legally just hold him until he gives them the evidence. They MUST, by the highest law in the land, prosecute him with the evidence they have RIGHT NOW.

>Sup Forums is full of pedos,
Hurrrfdurrfhurrf.Epic oldfdag memes.Le Pizza! Le CEEPEE.You tighten the noose around your own neck when you post shit like this.You also normalize the whole idea everytime you marginalize it with your gay-assed jokes.

It's pretty fucking obvious that you're incapable of reading a damn thing, that's been obvious for a while.

So you're telling me he should have the right to not decrypt his drive and carry on with his life because he refused to comply?


Heck, let's all start encrypting our drives and doing illegal activity if that's the case. If they demand to see what we're doing we'll just say, "Nope! It's my freedom to encrypt my drive!"

That sounds so much more sane than decrypting your drive, proving you have nothing to hide and then moving on.

But if they're already aware that it contains illegal porn on the drive, then he should just decrypt it or face charges, right?

Calm down, user, it's bad for your health. Are you truly so angry at an anonymous discussion on the internet? Does it honestly change your life in any way what I have to think? No? Then pull your damn panties out of a bunch and grow a pair.

Why hello there good sir, may i ask you for your full name, email adresses, passwords, bank information, adress and all other private information?


You have nothing to hide right?

btw im a grill so we both know you want to

>penetrate machine of your hateful neighbor
>post cp from his machine to local imageboard
>encrypt hard drive hiding the evidence of penetration
>neighbor is fucked in the ass in prison
>....
>PROFIT!

>he was alone and had beautiful loli
>you know her good so they allow you adopt her
>fuck loli like last time
>keep stash on deniably encrypted volume like a white man
>...
>PROFIT!

>The authorities also said that it's not a violation of the man's Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination because it's a "foregone conclusion" that illegal porn is on the drives
Dude, I'm telling you he has CP on there. Just trust me.
>Sentenced to infinity years in prison

What does that have to do with decrypting a drive? Don't tell me you put all that sensitive information on a hard drive...

A lot of people put information like bank statements on their drives, why not encrypt the shit out of it, in case some fucker steals your shit?

Or if some asshole tries to hack your shit too.

You have nothing to hide though, right, so why not share it with us anons of the internet since youre so holy and pure

I don't think that's how it works breh

>just trust me

Or look at the evidence:

1. Sister saw cp on his computer
2. He showed his family a child smut video
3. They detected illegal activity from his network

What I'm saying is this, if they have ANY evidence against him,they should gather enough to bag him without creating a fucking law that can easily be abused.How would you prove you didn't have an encrypted drive if one were to suddenly "appear" on your computer?The point isn't about pedophilia,it's about precedence to open a nasty can of worms.

>evidence
If it's evidence, then why not just use that to lock him up?

If you are a hacker hack laptop of that judge and post cp from his ip. Then encrypt his drive.

>sister might have a grudge against him, or be a psycho, you know like the insane wenches that cries rape after getting black out drunk

>proof?

>from his network, could be literally you that put it there for all anyone knows for sure.

That's exactly how it works. How do you think food brands make money? If everyone stopped buying frosted flakes do you think they'd still produce frosted flakes?

If pedophiles stopped pedoing we wouldn't have cp, plain and simple. You remove one pedo who is downloading and sharing cp and you remove one more person who is saving/making this content. I realize that won't end the entire thing, but it is something.

>>from his network, could be literally you that put it there for all anyone knows for sure.
Or you know, his sister again.

>Should
He DOES have the right to not comply. I don't think you understand how our laws are written. The Constitution does not grant government the right to hold people indefinitely without trial, not does it give the government the right to compel suspects to testify against themselves. On the contrary, it actually forbids these actions.

>sister again

Read the psycho bitch statement mate

Point is, with his sister its word against word.

also might just be an insane sister thats pissed at him for another reason.


Still a fucked up way to fuck everyone else up, even if he did or didnt do it.

>This. Don't know why Sup Forums is defending this pedophile.
Implying pedophile is something bad.

I was agreeing, I meant that it's possible that she's a psycho bitch and not only claimed she saw that, but also emulated the illegal activity from his network. It's shit proof, and they know it.
>its word against word.
Isn't it supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty" then?

From reading this thread it seems Sup Forums is in agreement.

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty yeah.

You do realize they're holding him for being contempt in court, right? Which is a completely valid reason?

In that case he's innocent.

Theyre holding him in contemt in court for refusing to incriminate himself


I guess thats a valid reason if youre the goverment or rich/powerful enough, lol.

Jesus christ, you're retarded. Pedos arent "food brands" making frosted flakes for a profit. They fuck kids for sexual gratification, pictures and videos are a BYPRODUCT. So if nobody would watch their pics and vids, they would STILL FUCK CHILDREN because it gives them SEXUAL GRATIFICATION. Can you get this in your thick skull???

>his own sister said he was looking at cp?
geez why people in your murrica so frightening that witness against own family members?

unless they have actual evidence that proves otherwise beyond any doubt, then its not enough to convict, which is the "same" as innocent.


On another note i just picked at a bumb on my thumb till some skin wore off, feels good man

>calls me retarded
>quotes a post where I fucking say, "if pedos stopped pedoing"
>mfw

HAHAHAHA