Why does nvidia always fuck up when they shrink die but AMD doesn't?

Why does nvidia always fuck up when they shrink die but AMD doesn't?
HD5xxx/6xxx vs thermi for example.
And now polaris vs pascal.

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>why does a card that's much faster need more power and produces more heat

the 1080 supposedly needed less, using only 1 8-pin power. it might be that they are having trouble dissipating heat from the shrunken components.

Probably this

Gtx 970 vs 670?
Hd5870 vs 6870?
Gtx 650 vs 950?
Hd5770 vs r7 260?

It has a TDP of 180 vs 165 for the 980

im an AMDshill but the Fury X is watercooled, the Nvidia card is a 1 fan reference design

It's still 24 degrees over the 980, and 4 degrees over boiling point of water.

And they're selling it at $700 DOLAROOS


100+C is literally housefire tier.

AMD R9 290X reference was going 90+C.

Well, it's an overclocked older architecture with new VRAM, this was to be expected

AMD didn't have it this bad though. Pretty sure only the 290x uber got close to 100 degrees and even then, it still stayed under.

sauce on that graph?

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And the 290X was the big card of that generation. If the 1080 is 100+C tier hot, what will the 1080 Ti be? 120+ C?

Imagine the Titan

1080 is like ~85 full load OC'd

Its max temp threshold has been set to 85c.
Tomshardware tried to overclock it and the gpu clock keep dropping lower and lower till it reach base clock.

>reference card

>$699 reference card

Still hotter than 970, 980 and 980ti when it use the same cooler minus the fancy cut.

What clockrate do they have the 1080 at? I don't see why it's temp would be so much higher under full load on furmark when it's cysis 3 temp is about the same as the 980.

If that 1607 is their clockrate I don't see why it gets so hot for them, tomshardware shows furmark temp the same as game load temp.

pretty sure the GPU drops boost until it hits base at 85C, and if it doesn't work it throttles near 100C

Pascal is a filler to fill the void before Volta.
I seriously hope that AMD did pull the same bullshit with Polaris.

Isn't Polaris just midrange until vega?

>still hotter than previous gen reference cards

still no async compute, its shit

midrange of current gen (1070)
it was estimated to be around flagship of last gen cards

Don't worry, they'll just bribe developers to not use async.

Polaris will be equivalent to a 390X

Polaris 11 will be. Polaris 10 will be a 980 Ti

Either one should be a decent upgrade from my HD5870.

>2500 cuda cores (vs 2000 on the 980) clocked 1ghz higher than previous gen on a massively smaller die
>y is it hot lol

>have to rely on clock rate to make some ground
>against a fucking 28nm gpu

>tfw mtk6752 performs better and runs cooler than a SD615.
It's not all about the die size you fucking retard.

>buying nvidia ever
youtube.com/watch?v=G7IbbqX6wxA

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>Things get hot with the backplate off
WOWEE.

Nvidiot confirmed

Because their running the card at 2GHZ+ with no fucking watercooling or proper heat exchange

Look at the clocks.....

The Nano is a 1 fan reference design as well. It's still not a house fire.

>not placing a mug with water on top of a 1080 in the winter so it boils the water so you can have a nice cup of hot chocolate when you're done gaming
This sounds perfect.

and isnt the 10x0 nvidia series a midrange series too? Its just like GTX6x0 series... midrange chips being sold as highend until GTX7x0 came.

>water
>hot chocolate

Gtx 680 wasn't high end?
Pretty sure gtx x70 or x80 and above would be considered high end.

the 5000 and 6000 cards were much worse temperature wise. reference versions of those cards needed fans speeds at 100% during gaming, whereas my 1080 sample doesn't need to go above 50% fan speed to maintain safe temperature.

No, Polaris 11 is aimed at low power portables (budget "gamer" laptops) so it's shooting for r370 speeds with ~50w tdp. Polaris 10 is targeted at mid-high tier laptops and mid tier desktops, again, with low power requirements; probably around 150w tdp. The full Polaris 10 should be close to the performance level of the gtx1070 though, when you consider that the 1070 has had ~25% of it's resources neutered.

Not who you're replying to but most people enjoy hot chocolate by heating water, then adding chocolate mix into it. Swiss Miss is a brand that sells them in packets or containers.

It must be hard to see when you're down there sucking that chink dick, but when you come up for air, take a look at the clockspeeds. Hint: it's less than 2ghz.

The fact a Fury out benches a Fury X leads me to believe this is a BS benchmark. And the fact that a regular 980 is close to a 1080 is impossible unless shillvidia is lying again about their performance gains. Wouldn't shock me.

>amdrone doesn't understand what heat output is

Oh.

I usually mix the milk chocolate into a tiny bit of boiling water in the cup, add the milk and then heat it in the microwave.

1080 doesn't run cooler.
1080 uses 10% less cores, but 60% higher clocks and barely comes out ahead of the 980Ti.
1080 has 25% more cores, and 60% higher clocks but doesn't even come close to 40% higher performance compared to 980.

I would laugh so hard if it couldn't even overclock well.

based on the heat this thing is dangerously overvolted and im worried about a legit housefire if someone tried to push a 2ghz overclock

even at 1600mhz its over 100C thats fucking crazy this is gtx480/fermi all over again

you mean 1600-1700mhz? Still fucking WAY to hot for those low clockspeeds at 16nm

This card is a housefire

Still waiting for 140°c 1080 ti

Not really, the Reference 980Ti hit 82ºC.

Lots of people seem to want to comment on this "issues" without having knowledge about Nvidia cooling approach on reference cards.

What you see here is the fan profile on the bios for a reference GTX970, at 78.16ºC the fans are only hitting 1861rpm, this card has a temperature throttle set to 79ºC(Temp Tager, Reference 980Ti is set to 82ºC), meaning that at 79ºC the core clock will start to throttle down to keep temperatures under 79ºC, if for some reason the GPU can't keep temperatures under 79ºC even with heavy throttling, the card will ramp up the fan RPM until it hits 91ºC which then the system will shutdown as it hit the Max Temp Target.

On aftermarket cards the TPM12 target is usually set around 60ºC, which is why you see aftermarket cards cooling better, because they ramp up the fans early, which is not the case on the reference models as they ramp up the fans as last ditch effort.

>trusting some random fucking soviet benchmarks
you amdorks will cling to anything, won't you?

Still a retarded card though. Has a higher tdp and power consumption than previous gen.

Power usage is just slightly higher than a GTX970 while performing stronger than a Titan X. The Titan X alone is twice as strong as a GTX970, just let that sink for a moment.


1080 is the new king no matter what kind fault people try to find and aftermarket cards are going to be even better.

That's all good, but the fact that the 1080 runs hotter and consumes more power than the 980 will give AMD an advantage if they can offer highly efficient GPUs.

>but the fact that the 1080 runs hotter

You don't seem to understand how reference cards work, the temp target will be hit at stock fan profile on any reference card, even the 970, in fact as you can see in here the fans don't even ramp up before hitting temperature throttling, if you want cooler temps use a custom fan profile, this is how ALL Nvidia reference cards work.

>and consumes more power than the 980 will
Yes, while being almost as twice as powerful.


You are retarded.


AMD can't compete at all, even if they wanted to get the cheap $150-$250 market, Nvidia could just release a card with GTX980 performance and half the power usage of a reference GTX970 without problems at that price range.


Unless AMD has something stronger than the 1080 they are done for, even so the 1080 is a cut in half Pascal chip, the full chip set should be near twice as fast as the 1080, unless they can blow away the 1080 by 20% or more they are doomed even with cheap prices.

>shilling this hard

Not shilling, just schooling you.

I'm not even going to buy Pascal, I'm going to wait for Volta.

Which begs the question why the hell dont they ship cards with better stock coolers like the fury nano and x

Its like back when intel still had stock coolers on their highend CPU's they where woefull

>even so the 1080 is a cut in half Pascal chip, the full chip set should be near twice as fast as the 1080

kek, look at this retard. Pretending to know what he is talking about when he's pulling everything he's got from his arse to shill nvidia.

so, from all reviews I read they made next gen r9 Nano in power draw department
but big, more loud, with slightly less throttling

Size of the die, heat and clock speed... Breaking a sweat. With the upcoming new gen cards, this gpu will go down as the first cuck marketing and the price will be slashed in half in six months

9 series was an end game, this is a new platform

Comparing both is kinda lame... You say low power became a priority but the clock for clock perf needed to go thru the roof justifying an extra cooler so third parties get a blueprint to control temps

HBM2 is where it's at

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Where's the problem?

Not having the technology to transmit data at the speed in which the memory could allow.
Pissing in the wind.

it's actually incredible how much conflicting misinformation is being thrown around, half the shit i read here i don't think is even reported as a rumor on any tech site it's just assumed by retards from Sup Forums or something.

every freaking tech site reported those rumors, don't you read newspapers everyday?

and volta is a filler to fill the void before x hurr

It's literaly has the power of 2 GTX 980ti or 10 Fury Xs in there while using less power. At least Nvidia doesn't need to make a dedicated water cooler for it just to keep it cool like the Fury X.

I'm wondering whether to hold out for Polaris 10 or upgrade now.
How shitty are AMD drivers really? I don't want to gamble on getting a Geforce 900 series card without coil whine.

They're about the same now. Back a few years ago they really did suck though.

Higher price of 980 ti classified or lightning - bought titan x sc, retains value

Bought maxwell last year - not interested w/ first gen middle of the road

Buying full pascal - flagship cycle

It's relative to your usage and resolution, the upgrades are plotted out and you simply need to cycle your purchases, it isnt really definite unless your usage becomes definite

I'm not a fan of waiting also leads to higher hysteria and isn't always healthy, balance of impulse and reason

much better now, and getting better with each game release
hell they even had drivers for doom before it launched and a hotfix just today

Say that to my hd6870

>MFW my 780Ti runs at 62° on 1300 MHz
I wouldn't do that, I had a Titan and will go with improved phases next year. I'm aiming for the 1070 but will refuse it if its shitty, I just need to survive with a healthy wallet until the 1080Ti comes, then I can buy 2 of them for 4K.

Yeah we know everything not GCN was abandoned. So are Nvidia cards in the 300's series.

It's on average 36% faster than a 980 at 1080p. Stop lying just because their business practices suck.
Do you guys have any idea how much effort it takes to shrink your manufacturing process? It's not "just Maxwell with higher clocks." It's a whole fucking new architecture. I guess I can't expect Sup Forums leak over to understand anything about hardware engineering.

There was no 300 series?
It went 200 series to 400?

I went from a gtx 260 to a hd 6870 for dx11.

Looks like I'll have to upgrade again for dx12, Just my fucking luck.

>measuring power with pins
>my pc works on 2 pin 230 volt connector

spending 1 month for a market research to get a potentially 20 dollar of value
welcome to Sup Forums

This. I might consider switiching to AMD if they bring something 4K worthy cheaper and I see they give driver support for older GPUs. But I don't count on it. Isn't the 5000 and 6000 series already considered as 'legacy'?

Even if Nvidia doesn't gimp directly, they brought more new cards (NEW architecture not new name) in the same time where AMD only rebranded its highend Hawaii.

Otherwise, I wish to know why my 780Ti hits less FPS than a 290X or 970 in Witcher 3. Some people said 9xx have more tesselation performance, but my 780Ti already has more than a 290X. But I don't care, this is just a shit game I got for free.

It doesn't matter to most people since they upgrade every 2-3 years

AMD isnt retarded is all.
When you die shrink your supposed to also rework the architecture (Vega)

Nvidia just took maxwell, slapped it on 16nm and gave it some gddr5x with a heavy overclock and thats why you have a 100C house fire tier 1080.

>backplate meme

>still no async compute, its shit
youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7ECiXfMWQ

But it does:
wccftech.com/async-compute-detailed/

>2 pin 230 volt connector
>not 3-pin

you are literally dumber than a curry nigger.

GP104 like Maxwell can only do one thing at a time per compute block.
The only things that changed are that it can do a context switch at any arbitrary point and that the switch only takes ~0.1 ms (150k-200k cycles) instead of 1+ ms like it did on Maxwell.

GCN's async juggles potentially many dozens of instruction streams across the ALU array with no single global context and no penalty for switching between instruction streams.

Nvidia's slides have something called "asynchronous time warp" which is a VR technique not related to async compute shader processing.

Everything that you read about Polaris is just rumors

Its not actually built into the hardware

the ti is 20% bigger and titan is 40%, there is no 100% bigger chip.

Does Vulkan use async or is it DX12 only?

so they are that afraid of the old 5000 blower sound meme that they refuse to allow the cooler do its damn job?

its not even 10% faster then a 980ti oc.

>104C

That's no housefire, that's a fucking inferno.
Have some OC.