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How do most people stay connected in the Linux community?
Sometimes while watching talks and things you hear stories or whatever that makes it seem like everyone knows each other quite well or has run-ins with each other. Is this just all happening on various isolated forums or on email lists or something? Or is there one or two particular places they all go? Usenet?
Thomas Perez
there's quite a few mailinglists and communities for certain projects. sometimes there are also conferences like the debconf.
I will give it a more thorough read but I don't think it'll have what I want.
Cooper Morgan
not really no
Connor Gutierrez
>How do most people stay connected in the Linux community? Remnants of the "ye olde days" when Linux was still a terrible mess very unavailable for the "common folk" that did not have the willpower necessary to install and run it. But that's my guess.
Programmers stay connected when they work on a foss project.
I'm only registered on the support forum of my distro, not even it's stack overflow (mainly because I absolutely despise how poorly organized it is).
Once in a few days I check the general tech support to see If there's anything that I could use my knowledge to help someone.
Otherwise I don't get involved in anything
Mason Baker
holy fucking shit
>fresh netinstall debian testing cinnamon >install steam by the books, install nvidia drivers >restart computer >"cinnamon crashed. want to try again?"
nothing is happening. i'm looking at my mouse pointer on my background picture. literally fucking what
Adam Gray
Anyone running dota 2 port on linux? Did you guys encountered problems on it? What distro do you use?
Dylan Lewis
>666 The power of satan compels me to answer your question. I run it on Gentoo with an NVidia GTX 760 and it is absolutely smooth as can be. In fact, I have never once had the game crash on me at all even though it seemed like a lot of windows users get disconnected and crashes (not so much lately though)
Also I hope you didnt directly install a testing snapshot right? You installed stable first and then upgraded to testing yes?
Adrian Thomas
Is there gui front end that just has a playlist window for mpv? gnome-mpv worked fine but now it is core dumping,and the error it ouput has no search results
Aaron Adams
You don't. Its more toxic then mmo's
Xavier Young
>vulkan confirmed
So I can run it on my toaster at 120+ fps? Sweet.
Isaac Young
Dota has native support for steamos/linux...
Isaac Perez
Just finished installing Funtoo. wat do
Tyler Lee
quit being a faggot and install Gentoo
Kevin Cooper
Owned, also, "friendly"
Josiah Cruz
Only if your toaster is multi-threaded
Blake Lewis
Look at porn. Always gotta break a new install in.
Wyatt Fisher
My MicroSD card arrives today, so I'm about to extroot my OpenWRT router with USB GSM modem + 64 GB sdcard.
inb4 >bricked
Leo Sanders
you can always switch between ttys to fix stuff up with ctrl+alt+(f1-f7)
Christian Ortiz
So... My Manjaro broke. Again. My bad habit of installing every update fucked me up. Something about systemd or kernel. The thing is, I'm not going to have much time from now on, can't be assed to reinstalling distros and doing everything again. What distro do you guys recommend? I'm using a Fedora minimal right now, but I don't think I'm liking DNF. Should I stick with it? What about Ubuntu Minimal? I don't use my computer for much, only to program and browse the web, my GPU is total shit (ATI Radeon HD 4200). Also, is Openbox too hard to configure? Can I save my configuration to just load it up in case I need it again? Or even better, can I load someone's configuration to save my time to configure and set it all up? Many thanks in advance.
I know this is pretty damn vague, but I just switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu. Back on the Ubuntu Software Center, I've found a pretty good app, that would be very useful to me and I can't find it now.
>It supposed to ask you user customized questions about subjects, helping you to review them. >It was also the name of some butterfy
I just can't recall the name. Does this rings a bell to anyone? Or anyone knows something similar? Or even if I find it on Ubuntu again, can Xubuntu run it?
Jordan Morris
Is it really too horrible to use Debian Stable? WIll I be able to at least do some normie stuff, like watching Netflix, playing games in Wine, etc? Also, about that dotshare.it, can I just copy the conf files and not bother with it anymore?
Isaac Adams
debian stable is nice, you ca use backports with it if you want. but it's not bleeding edge and you will get memed by people on Sup Forums because you have a stable system. you can copy them, modify them or upload new ones. it's free software after all.
Elijah Richardson
smplayer can use mpv as a backend, just select it for the multimesia engine option on preferences->general tab
Angel Wood
I see. I don't really mind bleeding edge, I just want it to werkz without much hassle. Should I go for stable for normal desktop use? Will I risk my system if I use some backport or go to testing?
Levi Gonzalez
>user customized questions about subjects That is pretty vague, what was the purpose of the questions? flash cards (or spaced repitition, whatever)? anki is one and there is at least one other
Luis Wilson
with stable you basically risk nothing at all. that's why people put it on their servers. you can always compile stuff you need newer. checkinstall is also handy. i would recommend going stable and if you see that you need newer software you can just upgrade to stable+backports, testing or unstable. you need to know that in order to use non-free software on debian you need to enable the contrib and non-free repos but that can be done by just editing a text file.
Oliver Wood
>werk without any hassle Stable >werk without any hassle plus a few specific packages you want to be newer Stable with backports >werk with new packages, compromise between stability and new stuff, slightly delayed security updates. don't blindly say yes to all updates, see what it's telling you that it's going to do Testing >werk with newest packages, bleeding edge Debian but still reasonably stable (Ubuntu is based on this, to give you an idea of Debian's definition of stable / unstable), don't blindly say yes to all updates, see what it's telling you that it's going to do Unstable
Carter Reed
Guess I'll go with stable + backports.
Thanks for the help, guys. Brb gonna install Debian. Is it true that it sucks for some wireless cards? Mine is an AR9285. If I install it through cable, can I get the wireless working later?
Jordan Campbell
Like you study medicine, and have to learn all the bones in the human body. You create a card which has the question/subject of "bones below the knee" you add the answer. It essentially asks you regularly like a study partner.
Thanks, I've found Anki now, I'll just have to figure it out
Julian Jenkins
Also what that other user said. You're gonna have to enable the contrib and non-free repos for the "normie" stuff, that's literally just adding those two words to a text file.
scroll down and click the torrent link at the bottom, burn it on an USB with Rufus on Windows. If your machine supports GPT/UEFI, burn it as GPT/UEFI. If not, MBR/Legacy
>Is it true that it sucks for some wireless cards Nah. Specially if you're using this version of the netinstall that includes non-free firmware for convenience. Ideally, install it through cable since it's gonna download anything it needs like that. First thing in the install is check your wireless card, and if it's needing any extra drivers, it's gonna tell you exactly which ones. Write those down/take a photo and then you can either download them on another computer, slap em on a USB stick and put them in right there and then OR the more convenient way: just wait until everything is installed and install them directly from the terminal, since you already know the exact packages you need (because it tells you)
Do keep in mind software in Stable can be months/years old and you're only gonna get security updates. Really the jump to Testing / Unstable has only been positive for me, but to each his own. If you don't give a shit about that sort of thing, then you're good on Stable with backports
Lucas Myers
Amost fucked shit up. Had the flash drive ready, thank goodness I waited for some (You)s. Guess I'll use the non free net inst. Also, creating the bootable flash drive with the old "dd", is it ok?
David Green
I use arch on a thinkpad x201 if this is relevant to the following description I experience network issue (in some places only) after some upgrade.
None of the fix I found on forum help me troubleshooting my issue.
My first guess was that I have messed up some config so I reinstalled vanilla arch. Same problem.
I installed antergos, which is supposed to "just work". Still no internet.
Debian connects smoothly though. I have no idea what is happening.
I'm on the verge to going back to debian but I wish I would use arch longer.
Connor Adams
I think so. If your computer has UEFI and it doesn't detect the bootable media as UEFI, then I guess you've got to do something else
If it detects it as UEFI when you try to boot from it , you're fine
Jacob Gonzalez
debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en cp debian.iso /dev/sdX && sync X is the letter for your usb mass storage device, it has to be unmounted first and you only need sdX, not sdX#
David Jones
This is only a preview of the troubles and annoyances that await you with arch, m8
Just go back to what werks if what you want to do is get some work done
Joshua Robinson
Waiting for the new .iso download. Many thanks to everyone who helped. See ya.
Sebastian Foster
If you would like to post more information regarding your issue,i would gladly attempt to help you,but with vauge and no details,there is nothing we can do
>all issues are generic issues that will happen in any distro Well mem'd chap
Easton Bennett
He specifically said it worked fine with debian out of the box though
So if he wants to not even have a problem and be productive he can just use what works
Or, you know, spending time figuring out how to unfuck it in Arch/Antergos
Ryder Peterson
Thing is I used arch smoothly for half a year on the same machine without problem. Then suddenly I have no idea what happen but arch and its derivative refuse to connect from home.
What kind of information would help troubleshoot the problem?
Connor Long
When installed debian 12 years ago, i couldnt mount an ntfs formatted drive. So fedora is a shitty distro that has no use and you would do better to ignore it
Sound logic there faggot
wifi or ethernet what program you used to setup your connection output of ip addr logs of any type
Sebastian Allen
Are the following placebo? irqbalance schedtoold prelink preload verynice
Parker Lopez
mine's multi-breaded
Leo Perry
damnit, why didn't I think of that?
Jaxson Ortiz
>WiFi or Ethernet Both. I have a wired connection I can't connect to. Same issue when I try to connect via a WiFi router. No problem connecting via Ethernet nor wifi elsewhere.
I use networkmanager. I tried to setup using nmtui.
When I try, before failing it says "Requesting a Wi-Fi network address forxxxxx" I get a similar message when I try via Ethernet
Some guy on forum said disabling dhcpcd solved the problem but it does nothing for me.
Luke Kelly
Don't call it GNU/Linux. It gives Stallsham undue credit. He's done nothing but take credit for the work of others and has the audacity to call himself a Doctor when he couldn't even finish his Masters.
>wrote emacs Contributed to guy steele's TECO macros, later cloned gosmacs, the actual first emacs for UNIX. If stallman wrote emacs, apple is the sole creator of webkit. >wrote gcc and gdb He wrote the C compiler initially, but the vast majority of development for other compilers and the C compiler has came from non-stallman sources.
And he hasn't programmed in years. Stallman is washed up, and his justifications for copyleft are horribly invalid nonsense that would make more sense if they were actual thinly veiled communism instead of selfish ramblings and a desire for a world that catered to his specific social class.
Ayden Carter
>My bad habit of installing every update fucked me up
You mean your habit of installing everything from the AUR.
Austin Evans
>and his justifications for copyleft are horribly invalid nonsense i'm kinda shocked that it took me so long that you are a corporate faggot that wants to use the code that people make for the FOSS community.
Andrew Robinson
When should I be savings binaries I've build in /usr/bin, and when should I be saving them in /usr/local/bin?
The FHS says: [quote]The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally.[/quote] But it also says [quote]Local hierarchy (empty after main installation [/quote] so I'm thinking I shouldn't be saving things in here at all!
If not in /usr/local/bin should it be in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin.
Aaron Rogers
>Stallmanite taking a long time to understand something
Colour me surprised...
Sebastian Bailey
>not posting the logs of network manager >not posting the output of "ps aux" to see if multiple network managing programs are running
Sounds to me like PEBCAK.
Elijah Nelson
Freetards are cancer.
Luis Miller
Practically, it doesn't matter.
When you say "built", do you mean just using "make" and "make install" or do you mean proper packages that you created? For packages I always make them install it into the /usr/bin directory. I never use /usr/local/bin, because I don't install anything with just "make install".
Samuel Diaz
>posts in a thread where freetards are the ones helping others
Asher Nelson
you posted the same shit with different word arrangment yesterday like 5 fucking times so end your life right now please
and I can tell it's you because you appear to have learned the word "audacity" and derivatives and use them in every single one of your posts addressing Stallman whether regarding his use of honoris causa title or the naming controversy.
I know that due to Microsoft's recent cooperation with Canonical their new long term EEE roadmap includes massive shilling aimed at discrediting Stallman and his achievements but fuck off mate.
Tyler Carter
>Stallmanite unable to take any criticism of his fraud master
Kek. How's it feel to blindly follow a fraud who takes credit for the work of others?
Christopher Myers
Yeah, sometimes a couple of small tweaks but nothing to count as original code - basically just make and make install.
I want to keep a copy of the source anyway because it's useful for rolling back and migrating to different machines.
Do you always put your binaries in /usr/bin or do you occasionally symlink them from elsewhere (example, symlink /usr/bin/foo to a built versions from /usr/src/foo-0.3/foo and when you upgrade you just update the symlink to /usr/src/foo-0.5/foo)
Matthew Murphy
Failing to install ubuntu/gnome 16.04. Seems like 16.04 has a bug where it didnt include the driver for the 980ti or something. I can even get the live cd to boot as it doesnt know what to do with my video card.
If I install 15.04 which has worked with my card before will I be able to add drivers or whatever I need and then upgrade into 16.04 without losing the drivers and therefore get around it?
Or would I be better off pulling the video card installing 16.04 off the cpu graphics, assuming that works, and then installing the 980ti drivers manually before putting the video card in? I have had trouble before when adding a video card to an already installed version of ubuntu.
Julian Gonzalez
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, SystemD/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SystemD plus Linux. GNU/Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning SystemD system made useful by the SystemD corelibs, demon utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Zachary Nelson
Stallman never took credit for the kernel or any other tool not developed/co-developed by him so I have no fucking clue what you're on about
Lincoln Baker
Read on a forum somewhere someone waited a good while after the error message popped up and it booted into the live cd anyways might do that if it works.
Ryder Barnes
Hello my friend. The problem is he attempts to trick people into think he's a 'doctor', when he's not.
It's bad form to call yourself Dr. Stallman when you've only got a honorary degree. It makes him look desperate, jealous of those who have put the effort in and actually have the ability to gain the PhD, something he's obviously not capable of seeing as he couldn't even complete his Masters.
He's a sham and he's hurting the FSF. Please stop thank you very much.
Thomas Clark
Does Arch have a way to keep packages at a specific version, similar to apt's hold?
Mainly need this for some projects affected by stupid devs.
By trying to shoe-horn his negligible contribution into Linus's work he's damaging his work.
He should be thankful Linus saw fit to include him, but he's so pretentious he can't stand that Linus is now more successful.
Truly a shameful little man.
Tyler Williams
76th for just got into Arch and already discovered monospace is shit
Nimbus Oblique for life
Gavin Scott
inconsolatazil4
Robert Hughes
No symlinking. You should definitely look into packaging your software. It's way neater.
Oliver Torres
>I have no networkmanager log
You do. journalctl -u NetworkManager
Zachary Kelly
Okay, so grab older versions from the archive first, then add them to the conf file. And I guess there's no pacman frontend that also does this? I just have to press = in aptitude,
Well, using some shell magic shouldn't be to hard. Wonder if it will cause problems if the package in question is GTK3
Jeremiah Garcia
>Fucking flamewar starting shills out of nowhere after the thread has been going without problems for hours are you guys organized?
Oliver Russell
I would love to have a Linux/Windows dual-boot setup, however, my Asus G750JW laptop, for some reason, won't detect my SSD, and incidentally my Windows 7 installation, during any distro installation EXCEPTED a specific version of Ubuntu (12.04 if I remember correctly), allowing me to install it alongside Windows 7 with no problem whatsoever,
However, the downside on this specific version is that it doesn't detect my ethernet cable, thus I cannot run distro upgrades.
Every other newer versions, when tested in live CD mode, have out-of-the-box detection of my ethernet cable connection, so either i'm a faggot and didn't download the right ISO.
Note that I installed Windows 7 in Legacy BIOS mode in order to disable secureboot, because I read that UEFI mode makes installing a Linux distro harder or more annoying to have a dualboot setup.
I have searched endlessly to find the way to do it without having to reinstall Windows again (Kinda don't feel like doing it again for the 4th time on this SSD desu) or convert my SSD with my Windows 7 partition from MBR to UEFI (which looks kinda scarier to do than installing Gentoo).
Anyone else dealth with a similar problem?
Jaxson Diaz
>Wonder if it will cause problems if the package in question is GTK3 It won't work. Firefox from the top of my head will break if you try to use it with anything other than the GTK version it's compiled with (downgrading to 3.18 will give you an error and it won't start).
>incompetent developers How is it affecting you? Are you creating a program which uses GTK for the GUI side?
Jacob Carter
No. You compile/install the version you want,and then just open pacman.conf and add it to the ignorepkg line. >front end If you need a fucking front in to edit a single fucking line in a config file,you're going to have a horrible experiance with arch.
>gtk3 You will have to downgrade a fuck ton of other packages. Use arc or vortex themes,they are 3.20 compliant.Other then that,not much you can do for gtk3
David Hughes
I will go and read about that. I've been putting it off because I use two different package managers but I kind of knew I would have to bite the bullet eventually.
In the meantime I will just stop using /usr/local.
Noah Bennett
Hello my friend. Stop samefagging, I was perfectly aware what you tried to convey with your first post as well as I'm perfectly aware that Stallman has a bachelor degree and all his doctorates are honoris causa.
>He's a sham and he's hurting the FSF. Stallman started the ideology of free software as well as FSF.
>negligible contribution you wished
I would also like to point out that the term GNU/Linux was invented by the user community and first traces of it appeared as early as 1992. Stallman initiallty proposed the term LiGNUx but it was awkward. One of the first distributions available was called Linux/GNU/X. Debian addresses their operating system as GNU/Linux since 1994.
Linux was the important missing piece of the puzzle to GNU. No matter how hard you try, how much you close your eyes that fill with tears everytime someone says "GNU" and how much you pretend to not listen to those "filthy luddite freetards lelele where are muh videogames" will change that.
Thanks
Chase Walker
>I use two different package managers
uw0t m8? Which distribution are you using?
Bentley Reyes
I use CentOS on some older boxes and Ubuntu on the newer ones. I generally don't have to fuck with them very much but there are some packages (one inhouse package that) that I need to build myself because two of the generic image processing dependencies behave differently in each distro.
Jackson Ortiz
I'm on Arch and everytime I've pacman -Syu'd in the last week it says everything is up to date. I've tried running syyu and while it updates some stuff it always says there is nothing to do. Is something fucked?
John Flores
Check your mirrors
Jason Davis
no journal files were found
I was paranoid about ssd wear so I followed a guide. I guess it just put the log in the ram so I my ssd wouldnt wore off or something.
Benjamin Wilson
What are some useful maintenance tools for Gentoo, like portage.
Christopher Green
>being this much of a Stallmanite
Linus says its shouldn't be called GNU/Linux, then it shouldn't be called GNU/Linux. Stallsham is just a sad little man.
Asher Sanders
I'm using Debian Testing on my desktop. Should I upgrade it to Sid?
Anthony Hughes
I tried to install mpd and ncmpcpp and it's not working, can anyone give me a good guide to install it? I already tried 2 ways but this thing doesn't work
Connor Morgan
Is your media dir correct? Are your permissiosn correct?
