If you aren't a Linux user, what does Linux need to have in order to convince you to become one?

If you aren't a Linux user, what does Linux need to have in order to convince you to become one?

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It's games. If a few more AAA devs started supporting Linux, I'd probably switch.

Just work out of the box

I use Debian.

Proprietary things—games, software, and drivers—are keeping people from switching. If given the choice, most people would choose Windows over Linux without so much as a second thought. Most don't consider Linux a viable option.

Also missing is the support of manufacturers. Very few computers come with Linux installed at the time of purchase; it's a niche market. The average consumer wants something they know how to use, and they definitely don't know how to navigate the command line, the vast number of distributions available, the desktop environments, replacements for proprietary software like Microsoft Word, and issues with drivers and hardware support. They don't want to deal with it.

I'm going to say it: Linux users will always be a minority. People who do not work in technology-related fields have no reason to use it.

Gaben's got your back.

you must have never used debian, ubuntu, fedora, opensuse, mint, manjaro, and the countless other distros that work out of the box

It needs to work first
I spend my day maintaining windows servers
I don't want to get home just to debug why Ubuntu won't recognize my motherboards sound card and instead wants to force audio out my 980s HDMI port.
Honestly I spent 2 hours trying to debug doing everything everyone suggested online to no avail.
I went back to windows and have never changed back.

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe it will make it true one of these days.

WOTB = it works out of the box

100% LibreOffice compatibility
Better Wine support - can't run work programs on Linux atm

That's pretty much it

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i don't have to tell myself that. used both ubuntu and opensuse on quite a few computers and none of them didnt work out of the box.

keep telling yourself that they dont work ;)

Linux confuses me and Windows is just not customisable enough.

I wish there was something in between them that was a modicum of confusing and customisability and more applications that worked properly on Linux.

Software
Drivers
An easy way to install various programs to various locations

I think MS Office support, you can't rely on LO to get formatting right, plus equatios get rendered as images (I know only the retards use Word instead of Latex for math), also the vydia cancer is something manchildren can't live without.
At this point Ubuntu 16.04+Win8.1 in a VM serves me greatly. I have the best of both worlds, and since i'm into Insurgency and Wargame RD i don't use Windows much more.

SteamOS is the biggest forgotten, lonely, undeveloped shit pile Linux has to offer. It's LITERALLY an African child:

>nobody cares about it
>it's underdeveloped
>it's named after what it is - a steaming pile of shit

Valve dropped the project past the back burner and into the bread drawer where it'll continue to become outdated and mold-ridden like the shit it is. Unless they're been doing major overhaul on it's proprietary driver work or steam integration and they have some cock throbbing release ready to surprise us with, it's not going anywhere. If I'm missing something about its dev cycle correct me

I'm in the process of installing an old hard drive in my computer and installing Ubuntu on it so I can try Linux gaming, but I doubt I could do without Windows until like Battlefield and a few other games come to Linux.

Microsoft will pretty much never make a desktop version of Office for Linux, but you can still use the web version.

products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-spreadsheets-presentations-office-online

Linux should not disdain potential users by limiting itself to user unfriendly commands.

Linux want's the disenchanted Windows userbase right? How about not scaring them off with technical fuckery?

Windows like consistency in performance, by which I mean that all distros should perform similarly in benchmarks.
More developer support. Yeah, Linux has a bunch of server grade applications that make it good for sysadmin/devops work, but let's be honest, it's not really ready for the average user to start using.
Higher ease of use- things need to just twerk when I expect them to. For example, I plugged my laptop into my TV to watch something on the big screen and the audio didn't automatically switch over to HDMI, I had to manually configure it to do so, and when I pulled the plug, it didn't automatically go back to the laptop soundcard. This is a no brainer, why the fuck would you not have this already implemented?

I'll never understand why people go on Sup Forums just to post lies

Programs and proper hardware support.

>If you aren't a Linux user, what does Linux need to have in order to convince you to become one?
This is so much better than the "muh OS is best XD" threads that dominate Sup Forums without promoting any insightful discussion. Thanks OP.

For me it'd be:
>Better autoconfig.
Finding, installing, configuring & updating drivers specifically. Windows update has had this shit locked down since XP, plug in any device and it will find a driver for you, download and install it, and (usually) not require a restart.

>Compatibility with .exe and .dll files. Essentially having WINE built-in, included in core repos and developed/maintained by core devs. I work with ECE CAD software and there is no "it just werks" solution for Linux.

>They need to decide on one desktop, DE, window manager, package manager, etc. and stick with it.
Linux has very little consistency in design patterns and the way you interact with your OS changes hugely between distros and DEs. If I use an Enterprise variant and my buddy uses a Desktop variant, I should at least be able to use the same commands to download & update software, and interact with the desktop and menus in the same way.

>making a console OS in 2016
Dunno what Valve was thinking. Should just fucking support GNU on desktops and stop with their fucking "we want to make a GNU-based console hur" bullshit.

I know but i use Office 2013 in a VM, and since you can save the state of the VM it's great for picking up where you left.

Nothing, even if Linux had everything that OS X / Windows already have I wouldn't switch.

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Native .exe support :^)

If they made it easy to install dual boot. This is also windows fault too.

>better autoconfig for drivers
Nearly everything works out of the box with any noob distro and installing "proprietary" drivers is running one fucking clicky-clicky GUI away.
>having wine built in
No. There are GNU versions of everything you have on Windows, use those. Wine is a last-ditch effort to run something and there are tons of easy ways to do it.
>little consistency
So you want every car, every house, every product sold ever to be consistent? No? THEN WHY THE GODDAMN SHITFUCK DO YOU WANT CONSISTENCY IN GNU?

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, DUMB.

Although you folks have tried to help me out I sometimes feel that I can't figure out what is fucking up my installation at all and the easiest way of fixing the problem is just to reinstall the whole OS and start again.

That might be because I went straight from Windows pleb to trying to install and configure shit from command line on a headless server with no background in any sort of computer science, though. Although I'm getting better now, I'm still afraid to install random shit on a server in case I can't figure out how to uninstall it.

I was a Linux user, bought a new laptop for uni

>what does Linux need to have in order to convince you to become one?

Drivers for my wireless chipset, mint works perfectly but my connection keeps dropping after 2 or 3 minutes, trying to sort any issue out with Linux (drivers especially) has me >pic related

???

> So you want every car, every house, every product sold ever to be consistent?

Uh... yes?

That's the maker of your wireless chipset's fault, not GNU's. The Linux kernel can't have a stable driver for proprietary, ass-backwards chipsets unless they luck out trying to reverse-engineer them.

Bullshit, no you don't. You don't want everything to look exactly the same, you goddamn moron. CHOICE and PERSONAL PREFERENCE, do you know what that fucking is?

Now open a Windows program

Brand and model of your wireless adapter?

>Nearly everything works out of the box with any noob distro
I have never, NEVER had wifi or sound cards work on any linux distro "out of the box". Some worked after extensive downloading shitloads of third-party crap and running shell scripts from the internet. Most never did.

>There are GNU versions of everything you have on Windows, use those.
GNU Solidworks? GNU Altium? These programs won't even run in wine, much less native Linux. Their free software counterparts are completely worthless for industry.

>So you want every car, every house, every product sold ever to be consistent?
consistent enough that I can go into a car different from mine, and still be able to drive it. Or a house different from mine, and not have it catch fire when i open the front door. Standards exist for a reason.

you got me there fampai
If Linux had Foobar2000 native, I'd suck Stallman's cock til he could no longer have kids.

Autism

>Foobar2000 native
Winamp 2.95. All problems solved.

Say hello to your new friend DeaDBeeF.

deadbeef.sourceforge.net/

>If your hardware doesn't work it's your own fault REEEEEEEEEE

>wifi or sound cards
See the first part of but I have had every single one I've ever tried just fucking work out of the goddamn box. Stop using obscure and/or shit hardware.

>solidworks
The tons of CAD software for GNU.
>Altium
Same regarding PCB design. Don't be an idiot. Google, for fuck's sake.

>I can't figure out another GUI even though they all look and work mostly the goddamn same
Are you retarded? They all work very similarly and the only real difference is look and feel.

Jesus fuck, it's almost like you're all paid Microsoft trolls trying to lie your way through this thread to discredit GNU.

That's what this is, isn't it?

You aren't doing anything worth doing with your computer if everything works out of the box. This is true for every operating system that has ever existed.

Geimus.

I'm gonna have to try it out. I've used Winamp on Windows before and I always went crawling back to Foobar, but maybe I'll end up actually getting used to it this time.

It's not the same. Just look at how many fucking plugins there are foobar2000.org/components

>stop using X

I love this

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Give credit to the developer for making FB2K proprietary.

Define worth

nothing, it already has too many idiots in the community

Give it a go. Keep it simple stupid, etc. It's still worth an honest look as old as it is.

Honestly, it is the learning curve. Between allowing proprietary software, WINE, and VMs with gpu passthrough, anything on windows can be done on Linux.

The thing is, you have to learn to do them first.
Do most people want to do that? - No.

Also, another big issue is the lack of standardization. I think the variety and differences between different distros and packages and etc are good, because I consider that a big part of the freedom aspect of Linux, there are no limitations. On the flip side of that, without standardization you have to tinker with shit to get it working on your specific install or distro.
I think Canonical is on to something, but they go about it the wrong way because of the shit they've pulled like Unity, Amazon.

Realtek RTL8723BE Wireless LAN 802.11n PCI-E nic

It might have been updated by now, but hell if I know.

>The thing is, you have to learn to do them first.
and then over and over again for each new distro.

>Also, another big issue is the lack of standardization.
This.

Linux is WAY too fragmented to ever become a mainstream contender.

One dev each working on 1000 projects/forks will always be shit compared to 1000 devs working on one project.

Sounds like you need to learn how to approach a problem, learn and understand how to use your systems debugging abillities, dmesg, free, top , df , journalctl and probably selinux. These will usually give you a lead on something to google.

>Finding, installing, configuring & updating drivers specifically.
Manjaro has mhwd (Manjaro hardware detection tool)
Ubuntu and Fedora also has hdt afaik

>Built in wine
Some distros (manjaro) has WINE built in. The problem with WINE is that the libraries are a bit outdated (XP-Vista tier compatibility). Moreover some cuck tier software require tons of irrelevant shit to work. (i.e Photoshop CC actually needs IE libraries)

>They need to decide on one desktop, DE, window manager, package manager, etc. and stick with it.
Strongly disagree. If you want something locked down like that you can always use Unity or GNOME

AYY

Also instead of being cucked by one tyrannical package management system (i.e .deb or .rpm) I actually like open build system which allows to run cross compiled bins

dag, I actually had no idea about most of this.

manjaro sounds like my perfect distro.

any downsides?

Thanks for the tips user. Free and Top I think I have under control the rest I have vaguely heard about or didn't know existed.

I do as the daily driver on my laptop.

Went through Crunchbang and Mint and some others. Looking at what to install now on new ChinkPad.

I do design work and video editing, though, so my secondary OS on laptop and primary on muh battlestation is wangblows. Adobe sucks the biggest bag of dicks, but it's not really a choice.

Cheap single board computer ($35) with at least 4 GB RAM to replace my computer so I can browse Sup Forums with ease.
Raspberry Pi isn't quite there yet.

Yes, theoratically Manjaro has a lower compatibility with the Arch user repository.
Also I don't think Manjaro is all that safe, their website went down due to maintainers' lack of attention.

I think your best bet is Korora. Based on Fedora, it also has a hardware detection tool

If you can use crunchbang you're ready for Arch. Using it on a chinkpad myself, it just werks.

Try restarting network-manager

I have an Asus PCE-AC56. Apparently the chipset it uses (Broadcom BCM 4352) does have Linux support though, you just have to compile the driver yourself. wikidevi.com/wiki/ASUS_PCE-AC56
Is that something someone inexperienced like me can do?

Pretty comfy. Although I'd be really happy if vmware had a seamless mode like virtualbox

>better power management
>better disk io speed
>better driver support (yeah, I know this isn't *nix devs fault specifically, but it's still needed)
>don't need to buy a specific laptop to ensure compatibility, things like hibernation and lid opening "just werk"
>stable and mature GUI API (for all its problems, the win32 API has been stable for decades)
>hell, even a unified system wide graphical API
>no more drivers crashing the whole system because the kernel can't handle it
>lol fucking grub, where do you even start
>distros that actually audit the packages they distribute
>don't make people choose between supporting recent hardware and breaking compatibility with previous kernel versions, Linux has been around for as long as windows but is STILL unstable as hell (as shitty as it is, companies still run VB.6 programs on Windows today without change, even though vb.6 was released in 1998)
etc. etc. I used *nix exclusively for a few years and went back to Windows. It sucks in a lot of ways, but it's consistent and it works. I spend more time working then I spend getting a window manager to work.

It's because of people like you that Linux is underdeveloped. Why would ANYONE want to even try and develop an OS with a neckbeard douchenozzle like yourself? You want command prompts and green text? Great. No one else in this thread does. Gtfo.

I'm just using Windows cuz I'm developing a WP app -_-

>Baka, baka, baka, baka, BAKA.
Someone's mad

a better de than aqua + general polish

kvm or kys :^) virtualbox a shit

GNU

kvm is a timesink and I don't play cuck games

He's the baka here.

KERNEL HEADER MISSING PLEASE RELINK OR RECOMPILE YOUR HEADERS - virtualcucks 2016

Second Generation Vulkan API.

wew lad, even I, as a noobuntubabby can solve this
sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)

The headers are already there it's just that virtualbox can't see them without relinking

Seriously, don't you have a spare machine to turn into a dedicated box? You'll learn faster.

I got the fix for this user!
open up your terminal and type
sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf

then paste this into it and restart your laptop

options rtl8723be fwlps=N ips=N

worked on my thinkpad running ubuntu gnome 16.04

Proper support for GPUs & their drivers, Photoshop, Illustrator, Premier Pro.

Haha, Crunchbang was like the first thing I ran that wasn't just live off a USB. I'll go for Arch then.

I'm more stuck on what DE I should use, but I'll FIO soon enough.

Lol i run fedora at work and home, i know how to fix the issue, it's when i was first trying to get virtualization working i would run into that issue every god damn time after a update or a fresh install, tried KVM and it just twerked.

A real way to break my baby duck syndrome.

I grew up with the way Windows works. I like how it works. I can use it to a much greater degree than I can Linux.

Mint won't cut it. It's gotta work just like Windows, faults and all.

And thats not gonna happen.

A memory editor as fully featured as cheat engine, and a packet editor as fully featured as wpe pro.

I just don't have a reason to. It's not any faster or slower or better or worse at anything that I do with a computer. Windows is already essentially free. So at my level of overall computer expertise, it means very little to me what OS I use, and I already know Windows.

Who knows? Maybe one day I will end up in a career position where I need to switch to some other OS. I would learn it just fine. I'm not opposed to Linux or OSX. I just don't need to at the moment.

I already use linux, but I hope fermi reclocking on nouveau comes soon desu (I typed this directly)

Nothing. If you are not interested in learning more-controlling more about your computer it provides no improvements whatsoever. It runs better on toasters but it's not a valid point at this time (it is valid for mobile though, which is why android is widely adopted).

Broadcom-wl-dkms from AUR works for me using that same adapter

Use proprietary drivers. Open source-reverse engineered drivers are still not very good. I had a similar issue with infamous Broadcom 43222 and proprietary drivers solved it right away.

I already dual boot. But if I were to use GNU/Linux alone, I'd need eroge devs to make their games for Linux as well. As of now a lot of them run fine under WINE, but a lot of them don't.

Oh, and better driver support I guess...

>If you aren't a Linux user, what does Linux need to have in order to convince you to become one?
No propritary modules.

Most have been working for me under WINE staging, and also with gstreamer stuff set up. I had issues with some games since I don't have all of the 32-bit gstreamer plugins, but I "fixed" the issue by reencoding all the mp3 sound files to ogg (the engine the game used ignored extensions, apparently)

There is a deblobbed kernel and Debian uses it. Not sure what other distros do, but surely at least the ones the FSF list do.

I'm not the guy you were talking to, but for me, the Ubuntu experience has often been:
>install Ubuntu
>Everything "works" - meaning an OS that looks like it works well until you open a window - no hardware acceleration
>Try installing drivers
>Blackscreen.exe
>Try fixing stuff with the ctrl+f1 terminal
>sometimes this has black screen too, sometimes the network gets fucked up, sometimes fuck up until os doesn't start anymore whatsoever

Recently however, I had some luck and got it to work (after some fiddling) so I could mod and build myself a custom android rom, and I learned quite a bit about Linux there.
Its a lot of fun for a guy like me and I love it - the gnome desktop switcher is great and the terminal interaction makes me jizz all over the screen. But the way there was anything but wotb.

when I wasn't a linux user, and then I started using it, it was because of rice

now I can't go back because I don't want to program on windows with cygwin

Cool, I will try this out later! Thanks, hope it works.

Can you provide a link please, or elaborate? I'm dense as fuck when it comes to this stuff.

Do you have a link for this? Thanks.