Pascal is simply Maxwell with higher clocks

>Pascal is simply Maxwell with higher clocks
>tfw cucked by Jensen once again

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Does that eve matter if their cards performs better than AMD's?

It matters to me. Not op, and this may sound stupid, but I was pretty disappointed when I found out my gtx 260 was a cut down gtx280, that's why I always buy flagships like the gtx 680 I'm using now.

But Maxwell was an incredible architecture, incredible performance, incredible frame times and incredible temperatures.


Whats there to complain if the card performs better than AMD, shouldn't you be complaining to AMD instead for not releasing something that can't compete after a complete architecture redesign

>But Maxwell was an incredible architecture, incredible performance, incredible frame times and incredible temperatures.

>let's make a DX11 ASIC
>surprise surprise when it's suddenly great for gaming but shit for everything else

There's a reason why Nvidia's compute cards remained on Kepler for so long.

>mfw 256bit memory bus and gddr5 (x) in current year
>mfw still no async compute scheduler 5 years later
>mfw vega will shit all over it
next year is going to be awesome i cant wait

Don't buy rehashes then? That's how they say: vote with your wallet. I personally upgrade only when something at least two times better than mine comes out.

This.

Also people shouldn't give a shit what company is making what card, if it's a big performance upgrade over you existing hardware and the price to performance is good then get that card

Is it somehow supposed to be great for everything else but shit for gaming? It's a gaming card.
There are compute cards for the same price that suck for gaming and are great for compute.
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>next year is going to be awesome i cant wait

>card released in a year will be better
holy shit, someone call CNN

vega is october, Hynix came through with memory

youtube.com/watch?v=P7RSszCPt68

How much truth in this thing? Because it might destroy Nvidia in a year if it's marketing flavor at least 35% true.

>mfw 256bit memory bus and gddr5 (x) in current year
Specs don't matter, only the end result does, and currently the 1080 blows everything else away.
Are you insinuating that you know better than the hundred engineers who spent over a year designing this? Do you really believe that if there was a benefit to using a wider bus that Nvidia wouldn't use it?
>mfw still no async compute scheduler 5 years later
All async does is help AMD cards catch up to Nvidia, in the 2-3 games that have it. Nvidia has years to work on it by the time it'll matter to anyone not "playing" Ashes.
>mfw vega will shit all over it
You can see the future? We don't even know for certain how Polaris will pan out.

>you know better than the hundred engineers who spent over a year designing this?

You are correct about one year part.

RIP Kepler

This is no different that was Nvidia has been already doing for years now, downside games that use this will run like trash on Nvidia cards unless the developers works around it.

if it was true it would destroy not only nvidia but also entire console market

>they said that they spent 2 Billion dollars worth of R&D for pascal

Those are not compute cards. Maxwell double FP performance fucking sucks.

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it's not some pretty effects that you can slap on any game
this thing is engine defining, at least they sell it as it is
how hard it is to implement will know only people that work with engines, I'd bet on DICE doing it first

ill believe it when i see it

Yes, just like Nvidia specifics shaders don't work well on AMD cards.

KEK sold mine a couple of weeks ago.

was a good card but DX12 performance was unsusable as was vulkan and ogl4.x

for a 680 4gb it went quite well

>Corporation lied

Which is why you buy AMD, so you have less buyer remorse since you paid less but getting about the same performance.

we can agree it was the last great gpu nvidia made to this day?

it could be true, apparently Nvidia is already working on 10nm prototypes, probably why they delayed Volta.

Do you trust engineers responsible for 3.5?

>a new GPU is a bit faster than an older one
Like every GPU ever?

I don't think so. They said that together with those billions, they spent the past 2 years. So they clearly meant that they spent 2 billions on gtx 1080.

it was until last year that Volta was delayed.

gg gtx 650 now it powers my Linux pc to play a quake arena clone

Most of that money was probably targeted to some market outside of gaming with better application and use.

>Pascal is simply Maxwell with higher clocks
I love this meme, where does it come from?

Last I checked maxwell is not 16nm. Maxwell is not capable of >2000 Mhz core clocks. Maxwell sucks at OpenGL by comparison.

If you own a 980 or 970, you don't need a 1080 or 1070, actual gaming performance isn't the 2x they tote.

>Pascal is simply Maxwell with higher clocks
Not really, otherwise a 1080 would equal a titan X

>Maxwell double FP performance fucking sucks
That was the entire point of maxwell, remove all unneeded compute and make a pure gaming chip

I was the user who posted , I clearly said that.

Pascal is Maxwell + particular VR features and 2ghz clock allowed by 16nm

Honestly reminds me of Intel's tick-tock. We're on a tick generation, new manufacturing process and some small tweaks to the micro architecture to speed it up.

every generation will be tick until market makes them.
Can only hope for Zen and Polaris to be good enough or else the will have no reason to improve.
Why waste money on improvements when you only compete yourself?

>Zen

If the leak from currynigger tech was legit Intel is about to get their ass handed to them.

One architecture is another architecture with just a higher clock speed and magically better support in other things.

You people are fucking morons.

Link?

They did spend 2 billion but it was on marketing.

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Probably the better term is there are Pascal and Maxwell IPC are identical. Pascal simply shrinks Maxwell with more subdivided SMs and adds tons of software support. Interested to see if there are real IPC improvements in Polaris though. Definitely there will be new memory compression and prefetch.

>gaming
>>Sup Forums

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Don't get your hopes up.

I bet you're the kind of person that calls all GCN cards a rebrand too. Pascal is nothing more than Maxwell+ on a die shrink. If you look at the die diagrams you could see that.

>nVidia gets slower with DX12 and Fury X matches with 1080

Nvidiafags will defend this bulldozer

Yes. Bribing devs to use goyworks is r&d

The writing has been on the wall for the last two years if you follow game development (especially some of the tricks the console teams are pulling) - pascal (i.e turbo maxwell) is just a stopgap until volta rolls around and maxwell is a piece of shit for the level of parallelism DX12 (and hopefully vulkan) support.

GCN (particularly 1.1 onwards) actually supports some serious fine grain control that is currently also found in the ps4/xbone hardware but it has been crippled by DX11 hanging around for so long.

>the only use of GPUs are gaymez1!1!!
Kill yourself

I was just disappointed in the jump from 28nm to 16nm, just disappointed. It's nice that they released a card that performs better than the entire GPU lineup, but it's not even that faster than the current flagships making it an absolutely retarded buy for anyone running a 390/970 or above. It can barely do 1440p at high refreshes and cannot do UHD at 60fps, why would I buy it then? If Vega and big Pascal don't deliver 1440p at 120fps, then I'm skipping this generation. I want to move to a higher resolution monitor, but the GPUs are not running them as I'd like them to. At least the 1070 is believed to also beat current generation flagships at less than $400. Considering that I bought a 670 for $400 four years ago, it's a nice buy. I'd still be on the lookout for Polaris though, getting almost Fury performance for less than $300 would be a fantastic buy.

>Whats there to complain if the card performs better than AMD
that it doesnt, that it cant overclock like maxwell did, and that it throttles the boost clock after like 3 mins

>pascal is a rebrand meme

yeah, except for the completely redesigned SMs, ALUs, memory controller, new process?

console gpus are all gcn 1.0

fp64 is a useless meme even in the compute world. the only reason it's included on cards these days is because you need it to be spec compliant with opengl 4.x. there isn't a single game or application that makes use of it, outside of maybe some high end video editing software and scientific/simulation type things

yes, pascal is only about 15% - 20% better than maxwell ... so what?

what the fuck did you guys even expect?

of course it doesn't make any sense for anyone having a maxwell card to upgrade. why the fuck do you even want to upgrade your GPU every generation??

CPU's are stagnating for a long time by now and GPU's are simply starting to do the same. In fact - even a GTX 580 can still run every modern game @ 1080p (high settings) without too much of a problem.

pascals aim is to reduce power consumption and make slightly better performing cards much more affordable (to allow for mainstream VR) and it seems to do that quite well. (1070 will be quite cheap and they all only have one 8pin connector)

>Maxwell was brilliant
>we now have Maxwell with much higher clocks and lower power consumption
>this is a bad thing

>yes, pascal is only about 15% - 20% better than maxwell ... so what?

Only if you compare the 1080 to the 980ti which isn't it's predecessor.

You should compare it to the 980 since its a midrange chip, the GP 104

it's 20% faster than the last gen flagship that was double the die size, had more cores/rops/tmus and shits out twice the heat. it's 2x faster than it's last gen equivalent as well. people were just hyping up the die shrink to be more than it is, especially since tsmc 16nm and samsung 14nm are essentially the same 20nm process with finfet added into the mix.

It's not about competition stupid, it's about the false advertisement

That isn't even close to what he said, please gain some reading comprehension and come back when you are 18+ years of age.

How did they falsely advertise about Pascal?

Fake benchmarks, the temperature the card will run at under load, and max clock speed. It's a good card though.

>Falling for the nvidia is better then amd

>mfw going from a 770 to a 1080

>buying a dx11 card in 2016

because async compute is totally 100% of dx12 right lol
even taking that into account I get gameworks in the tradeoff which is naisu

Ask Kepler owners how gamesworks is treating them.

>async meme

t. indian AMD shill

>not realizing we'll all be upgrading before DX12 is mainstream
ok
My 780 is fine for now, I only want a new GPU for use in MATLAB. Granted, I don't play gaymewerks games. I imagine Kepler gets shit on in those titles.

I already said I have a 770 so I don't have to. It generally works fine excluding brand new games, but who the fuck cares about shit like the division anyway.

Daily reminder.

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What fake benchmarks?

t. nvidia goy

What did you have to do to make AMD cards run better again? Oh yeah turn off tesselation

You seem to forget that Nvidia's goal isn't to make the most powerful GPU, it's to make the biggest amount of money.
Those hundreds of engineers aren't there to do anything else than generate profit.

>dx12
>windows
>amd sponsored

the trifecta of poor indian software

They spent more time optimizing with Nvidia senpai

>They spent more time optimizing with Nvidia senpai

nvidia was invited to optimize ashes at all considering the renderer was originally written against mantle and later ported to dx12

>was

wasn't

no, typically from the same company the new top end kicks the shit out of the last get to the point the last gen doesn't even look like an option, even when last gen was oc'ed, this time... 2% over last gen...

are you sure about that? because that hasn't been the case for a long time, we haven't seen exponential growth in gpu performance ever since we reached peak die size and node shrinks stopped coming every year.

my hopes are sandbridge 8 core at 500$
i think these are modest hopes given that sandybridge is bare minimum where amd will shit itself out at.
anything more (or less) is a happy surprise

>enjoys subpixel tessellation

No thank you.

the vr shit is all software side in how it renders though, there is no hardware that enables it, its software telling a gpgpu how to deal.

>2Ghz
Can't even hold the boost clock without throttling back to 1600mhz.

2% better then a 980ti for 150$ more.

yea, so worth it

the card, given the cpu cooler benchmark, will only get it to 12-15% better so there is your aftermarket cooler what you can expect for the oc on a 1080, still, even at msrp, it will be minimum 50$ more then the 980ti right now, even bigger gap when the better coolers come along.

>2%
in what world

The 1080 reference pcb (sorry, founder's edition) is a piece of shit. At least AMD (for hawaii and fiji) build their pcb's to withstand enormous punishment.

The 1080 as of right now is a terrible card if you plan to overclock in any shape or form as it simply cannot deliver the power to the core required to keep it at 2ghz+ - even if you use some custom cooling. The annoying part of it all is Nvidia hyped it as a premium card when it is nothing of the sort. If the founders edition did have a good pcb then sure you might be able to justify the extra cost but the flimsy piece of shit they delivered is not worth anyone's money unless you are a consumer whore.

Plus as its a midrange chip there won't be a 1080 lightning which would really unleash the silicon.

>At least AMD (for hawaii and fiji) build their pcb's to withstand enormous punishment.

the only good pcbs amd has released in recent history was the 7990/295x2/pro duo (they're all variations of the same pcb design) pcb and the fury x pcb. the 290/290x pcb had serious flaws, the reference models had over 30% failure rate because of it.

>The 1080 as of right now is a terrible card if you plan to overclock in any shape or form as it simply cannot deliver the power to the core required to keep it at 2ghz+

this should change one AIBs add in the missing power phase, power connector and give it a better cooler. it seems like nvidia's biggest failing was the reference cooler this time around, since now you need to pay $100 extra for it.

>2% better
top kek, AMD fags and their lies

>the reference models had over 30% failure rate because of it.

Going to need some sauce on that claim user.

That is the whole point - its an overpriced card. What is worse despite the so-called MSRP I sverely doubt any AIB card is going to be cheaper than the FE outside of p[ressure from AMD causing Nvidia to lower prices.

not sure where he got the 30% from but it's been tested & is well known that hawaii has absurd failure rates, pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Video-Card-Failure-Rates-by-Generation-563/

Polaris is worse than current gen. All those shills are funny as hell to me. Vega probably won't be even in 1080 range. Kek.

depends on yields. there have already been rumors about nvidia only shipping the 450mm2 gp102 as this generations flagship, i can't imagine it will be any better for amd since they're already stuck shipping a die smaller than gp104 and are using a process known to be inferior.

>puget systems

Christ might as well be backblaze of the gpu world.

Also note their data (as presented) doesn't explicitly highlight hawaii given the chart also covers R7 cards as well. Plus the asus 290x is known to be the worst of all 290x models.

The sole reason founder's edition exists is to hide low yields behind marketing dribble.

>The 1080 as of right now is a terrible card if you plan to overclock in any shape or form

youtube.com/watch?v=ZO_0SPvy_4o

note that he kept this oc stable after 2 hours of gaming.

AMD shills lying and spreading misinformation as usual