Court rules search warrant not necessary to hack computers

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/fbis-use-of-tor-exploit-is-like-peering-through-broken-blinds/

So who here can't wait to get their anus stretched by one of the NSA's Turbine servers when they decide to target Sup Forums?

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>people on Sup Forums don't care about this and would rather discus consumerist bullshit
Why is this board so shitty?

I have nothing to hide.

>2016
>still using TOR
>not using I2P master race
it's like you want to be thrown in prison for your 23Gb collection of cp

You're part of the problem

i don't do anything illegal and i'm not a public person, terrorist, paedophile or enemy of the state. the fbi has no interest in me, i'm not important enough and neither are you

>what is the NSA's Turbine program
They have autonomous hacking software now days. You no longer have to be important enough for an agent to target you, you just have to meet the broad criteria for the type of persons they want to go after and the software automatically targets and attacks you. They could just enter Sup Forums users as a selector and the software would go to town if they wanted.

and what would they do if they find nothing of interest? exactly: nothing.
you'd have to be really unlucky to be selected out of billions of internet users

tfw used tor to get around bans on forums before

am i gonna get hacked ?

We're already in your system.

fug :DD

>you'd have to be really unlucky to be selected out of billions of internet users
I don't think you understand how much the processing power they have. It's been confirmed that they passively collect data on everyone's browsing history in the US and store it for a year along with all SMS messages sent. You're fooling yourself if you think they don't have the resources to target massive amounts of people at once for hacking.

why are you so scared of the government? what are you hiding?

>being this naive

>ad hominem

answer the question

The vast majority of people haven't committed crimes, why does the government insist on treating them like criminals?

I don't do anything illegal so I don't have anything to worry about. Go jump off a bridge you pedophile fuck.

tfw they know i look at trap porn

because every single one of them could be the next elliot rodgers.

i'd rather live in a world like the one in minority report than getting shot by some random nutcase

Post your home address and phone number

you're not the government

spoiler: everyones is listed in the phone book and your neighbors know your address, name, and times you're out of the house.

>everyones is listed in the phone book
Are you retarded?

Post them then

Duh the 4th amendment was written before computers and iphones so obviously it shouldn't apply to them

I mean come on people its 2016!

>when they decide to target Sup Forums

lol

There are 22 million United States government employees. You really think it's impossible any random Sup Forums browser could be one?

>enemy of the state
And the state decides who its enemies are, right?

except in minority report crimes were stopped because of magic allowing people to know that a crime was definitely going to happen

in real life the nsa's systems are nothing like that and the gathered information can be used maliciously to blackmail/jail innocent people for talking shit about the government or any number of arbitrary reasons

prove it then

>what are you hiding
Things that are mine, and i want NO ONE to see.

and what reason would someone have to talk shit about the government unless they're a criminal?

What are you hiding from us that you're willing to share with people that have power over you?

if you really work for the government you already have all my information unless it's above your paygrade. posting it here is completely nonsensical.

what was your point again?

...

Conspiritards getting BTFO ITT.

Why are you avoiding the question? Just post it. What do you have to fear?

wat?

I think it's bullshit.

Our mail is very poorly encrypted, but it's illegal to search it without a warrant. Why does this not apply to our other communications?

I think this shit only passes because most people do not quite understand how much the government is invading peoples' lives. Even most young people do not realize that everything they do that involves technology is stored on a government server somewhere.

I'm tired of our recent administrations disregarding the constitution because it's inconvenient. That's why it was made, to limit the power of government. No shit it will be inconvenient when you want to bust people, that's the point. Innocent until proven guilty.

i am avoiding the question because you have yet to prove that you are eligible to access my data.

also refer to you're the one that started avoiding questions not me

I think that's bullshit. Pretty much saying that it's okay for them to widely distribute malware first and then arrest anyone it picks up.

>prove that you are eligible to access my data.
Why would the government be entitled to my communications?

>what are you hiding?
Their personal life? Not everyone gets off to indulging others' voyeurism.

Why would you ask me for proof? You are acting very suspicious.

crime prevention

post your .gov email and i'll send you my details. i can't post it here since it's against the rules

you're running out of arguments, stop embarrassing yourself.

>crime prevention
Start by banning all of the guns!

they're already banned in my country, i'm not american.

Why don't we ban people? Then no crimes could ever happen.

>crime prevention
Since i've committed no crime, and have no warrants out against me, i ask again why the government thinks it's entitled to my communications?

North Korea barely has any crime, seems like surveillance actually works.

the keyword is prevention.

Security > privacy

Prove me wrong.

You're the one arguing with the government, citizen. I'd suggest you change your tone.

>with the government
refer to

That's not how this country (US) works, you need a warrant out against me to collect evidence, and since there's no warrant, and no accusation of me committing any crime, i ask once again, why the government thinks it's entitled to my communications.

do you have any proof that your communications are specifically targeted and looked at?

>do you have any proof that your communications are specifically targeted and looked at?
Not currently, mainly because i dont have lines tying directly into the datacenters of major phone companies and cellular providers, cable companies.

Not that your question has any merit to this discussion.

>Not currently
[opinion discarded]

Based on what you've said, the only way to prevent crime is to monitor everyone before suspicious activity even occurs.

>[opinion discarded]
Says the person who can't answer why the government thinks it's entitled to my communication.

it's not the only way, i never said or implied that. but it's one way.

I have nothing to hide. If I did, I'd be certain not to keep any links/records of it on my rig rofl

i don't think you understand how the internet works. if you publicly post something, it's public. if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send, it's your own problem.

not anymore apparently

i heard the fbi can hack your shit with no warrant now but i dont even know if its true

youre right

id rather have some faggot know my internet browsing than some faggot having access to control my system

>i heard the fbi can hack your shit with no warrant now but i dont even know if its true
How exactly did you end up in this thread without even glancing at the OP?

Why do you want to be treated like a criminal until you do something wrong? What if your opinion of "wrong" differs with that of the government's?

not tor specific but they can do it to anyone within fbi jurisdiction i heard it from a sperg friend irl

>Why do you want to be treated like a criminal until you do something wrong?
because it offers me and everyone else more security.

>What if your opinion of "wrong" differs with that of the government's?
in that case i would be breaking the law, wouldn't i?

The people vote for the government, the government doesn't elect itself. What they think is right, is what the majority of people think is right. If you disagree with the consensus, feel free to leave the country.

>fbi hacks my computer
>steals my dank trance productions

why are they such faggots

Again, did you not read the OP? The linked article is about that exact case that your friend was talking about.

>if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send
I don't remember agreeing to any government issued EULA that stated that.

>b-but some company had an EULA that said it would be okay if the government collected your information if you used their service!
No. In their EULAs they have provision for sharing data if requested, not giving the government free reign to collect data through their service. That would require ANOTHER EULA.

Anyway, the problem with this isn't about the government collecting what you post publicly or intercepting unencrypted data. Basically it means that if they can go about "hacking" anyones' computers without warrant. This means they could spread malware that would infect computers and harvest data from them without any target, without any oversight and without any obligation to destroy any data they collect.

>if you agree to an EULA that says that the government can collect the information you send, it's your own problem.
Seems you dont have a understanding of things

yea i did

you can quit trying desperatly to troll

this article talks about tor only

what i said was different

>because it offers me and everyone else more security.
It really doesn't. This isn't going to stop a random jihad from bombing a school bus. They'll just find other ways to communicate, or just act out on their own volition.

>in that case i would be breaking the law, wouldn't i?
I didn't know opinions against the government were illegal.

Most people disagree with the NSA collecting phone data, but that hasn't stopped them yet.

I wish it was possible to elect a good government. There is a severe lack of decent politicians and parties though.

America also has its own huge issue of it being completely legal for people to bribe, I mean financially support, politicians.
No matter what they say during election time they end up doing what whoever is filling their pockets wants.

nothin to hide m8

>this article talks about tor only
The ruling the judge issued didn't involve just Tor, it involves all hacking of computers.

also i heard i2p was much better than tor? wat goin on?

prove it

>Law enforcement does not need a warrant to hack someone’s computer, according to a just-unsealed court order written by a federal judge in Virginia.

Literally the first sentence of the article.

>"The implications for the decision, if upheld, are staggering: law enforcement would be free to remotely search and seize information from your computer, without a warrant, without probable cause, or without any suspicion at all," Mark Rumold, an EFF attorney, wrote. "To say the least, the decision is bad news for privacy."

>Judge Morgan wrote:
>Just as Justice Breyer wrote in concurrence that a police officer who peers through broken blinds does not violate anyone's Fourth Amendment rights, jd. at 103 (Breyer, J., concurring), FBI agents who exploit a vulnerability in an online network do not violate the Fourth Amendment. Just as the area into which the officer in Carter peered—an apartment—usually is afforded Fourth Amendment protection, a computer afforded Fourth Amendment protection in other circumstances is not protected from Government actors who take advantage of an easily broken system to peer into a user's computer. People who traverse the Internet ordinarily understand the risk associated with doing so. Thus, the deployment of the NIT to capture identifying information found on Defendant's computer does not represent a search under the Fourth Amendment, and no warrant was needed.

>Government actors who take advantage of an easily broken system to peer into a user's computer
Windows users are fucked. OSX users are fucked. Linux users may be slightly less fucked.

not enough proof

come back when you have more

This site is for people 18 years of age or older.

prove everyone on Sup Forums is 18+

Prove that you're a person and not an FBI defense bot.

you can still be targeted even if you're not doing anything illegal. just check out:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

and if the snowden leak is telling us anything, it's that it's only getting worse

trips confirm

i will stop shilling for the fbi

Just imagine if through the use of something like PRISM, they could autonomously seek out any person's computers which contain pirated or cracked information, upload a virus to encrypt or wipe your hard-disk, and then also issue a court order (because they have everything on you, including your address) for paying a fine?

This is the road these kinds of rulings will lead to.

Imagine if it became a requirement to verify the legality of all software on your computer, AND they had the capacity to get this information, AND to enforce it.

Complete end to piracy.

>Piracy
>Ending

Either the Internet gets dropped in favor of meshnet mechanisms, encryption is employed, or people will resort to good old-fashioned sneakernets.

Sounds pretty nice.

I don't pay large amounts of tax so that the government can use it to treat me like a criminal, I pay tax so that society can have nice things. Only stupid cucks scared by the medias stories of terrorism would think of mass surveillance as a nice thing.

Why you shouldn't care:

You have plenty to hide but have done nothing to make prosecution worth the time and money

Cops don't cooperate, so if you're ever suspected of fucking your dog or doing drugs the NSA won't help the local PD by giving them probable cause in the form of your gay furry/erowid related web history. It's just not what they do. And it's also inadmissible in court unless you're going to a millitary tribunal and being detained indefinitely.

Why you might actually care:

You've done something VERY EVIL, like releasing academic information to plebeians who can't afford university or the hefty subscription fees for everyone outside of expensive schools, or just distributing copies of pirated text books and invalidating the world's most persistent price fixing scheme

>ITT: nobody knows the red scare happened
>ITT: friendless white males who think they aren't going to be profiled as politically subversive (while profiling anyone else is racist/sexist)

The NSA was already allowed to do this, but the FBI being allowed to do it means that your local cop can download FBI_Breakcomputer.exe and fuck your computer over.
This is a reason to install free software.

Stallman was right... AGAIN

>the red scare
>implying there weren't TWO red scares

>implying that the FBI didn't blackmail civil rights activists with recordings of them having sex

Why you should care:
The war on drugs/terror/pedos/hackers will never end and their powers will grow until there's nothing holding them back from profiling every aspect of your virtual life. They will keep granting themselves "emergency powers" that will never be reformed until one day, normies will just accept it as normality and free speech will die. You don't want freedom of speech to die, do you?