>doesn't have end-to-end encryption by default >server software isn't open source >hasn't been audited by an independent security company >doesn't have basic modern features like voice calling >has all your messages and pictures stored in "the cloud" in plaintext >needs your phone number to even work
B-b-but its open source!!!!!
Why does Sup Forums keep recommending this piece of shit when it clearly is bad for your privacy?
Why isn't there a truly private, optionally anonymous, fully open-source IM protocol yet?
What do you suggest? Whatsapp? Some nsa/windows phone shit?
Carter Miller
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Brayden Rodriguez
might as well add voip to that image now
Justin Lee
>Telegram is a complete joke of an IM protocol that nobody on Sup Forums should be using
Where have you been for the last two years?
Leo Price
>What do you suggest?
Signal or anything that is even more advanced than Signal.
Chase Wood
Psst. Hey kid. Want to share some [spoiler]secrets?[/spoiler]
Isaiah Nelson
All I know is Jacob Applebaum was doing the whole shilling against Telegram meme thing in overdrive, and he's CIA...
Brayden Ross
Not available without gapps and isn't in f-droid -> trash
William Murphy
>applebaum
Jew detected. Of course he is working against you.
Jace Green
That's the main reason I don't use Signal.
I think the Jew who created it is working with Google to make people use Google Play Services.
Thomas Evans
I use FaceBook Messenger because I have friends and do not need encryption because my government knows everything about me anyway.
Michael Nelson
This. Signal provides security, at the cost of all privacy.
Samuel Williams
I was going to mention LibreSignal but I guess it's been put down, huh? The overhaul of Chatsecure and Conversations, with the Zom client targeted towards the average user seems fairly promising, though.
Bentley Walker
Get a job you losers so you can afford the $2 necessary to use based Threema.
Michael Mitchell
filtered
James James
Tox.
Gabriel Taylor
>trusting your privacy to proprietary software
Dylan Kelly
Yup, if it's end to end encrypted I don't care they have my metadata. By the way, any open source alternative collects these anyways.
Lucas King
You sure showed him you juvenile faggot.
Colton Cox
Tripfags are narcissistic faggots who won't care some anonymous user filtered them.
Juan Murphy
>muh privacy It just werks though.
Christopher Perez
You complete dumbass.
1. It is open-source. 2. It does have end-to-end encryption. 3. It rated 7/7 on the EFF security scorecard while using super secret chats.
Do your research.
Isaiah Edwards
>gcm >centralized >requires your phone #
Jackson Campbell
What kind of security does it provide?
William Harris
I think we can pretty much agree on the fact that Threema is the undisputed masterrace among freedom respecting and secure messengers. Servers are also located not in the US which is such a huge bonus and btw the only reason we use this at work only instead of any alternative. It's not open source but I don't care it's end to end encrypted and they can have my metadata. Also I pay for it so I know there are actual people working on it instead of relying on the arbitrariness of some hobbyist developers.
Camden Ross
Conversation is nice, but account on their server cost 8€ a year
Jace Parker
End to end encryption
Logan Nelson
Conversations on f-droid with OTR or OMEMO encryption, but OTR doesn't support group messaging.
Also don't use OMEMO yet for any sensitive data, but you shouldn't use your phone for that anyway.
Isaiah Peterson
> shilling for messengers > not using truly free jabber+OTR nah
Logan Robinson
>It's end to end encrypted But do you really know, when it's proprietary?
Ayden Barnes
1. It's not open-source server-side, can you fucking read? 2. End-to-end encryption has been broken several times. 3. The EFF security scorecard was on stuff like "is the encryption end-to-end encrypted" (2 stars), "is it open-source", can you verify the contact's identity", etc. Pic related.
Michael Green
the old google chat was xmpp compatible/based dont know why they decided to drop it, oh well
Nathaniel Gomez
>tox not a pedophile
Wyatt Gonzalez
I'd stress that, additional to the fact it's end-to-end encrypted (⭐⭐), the code is open for independant review (⭐⭐⭐) and it has been audited (⭐⭐⭐⭐), then proven broken.
EFF F F
Sebastian Phillips
By the way, SpiderOak (Snowden-approved zero-knowledge backup solution) team is making a zero-knowledge Slack concurrent. spideroak.com/solutions/semaphor/tour
Tyler Cook
Not the user you're replying to, but I have.
Telegram fails its security promises. Most of the time it does not encrypt data at all. When it does, it has padding problems. It's like Pavel Durov heard about the concept of cake, and then set a team of chartered accountants to the task of baking one, and they came back with an ingredients list full of rusty nails, GLaDOS-style, and no-one batted an eyelid and released it.
Don't use Telegram. As the Grugq said, it's "error prone, has wonky homebrew encryption, leaks voluminous metadata, steals the address book, and is now known as a terrorist hangout. I couldn’t possibly think of a worse combination for a safe messenger."
Signal is the best. WhatsApp is the second best. Neither are suitable for desktops, neither protect metadata very well (but don't leak it in the clear as Telegram does), but that's the best you have for the moment.
>"freedom respecting" and "secure" messengers >not open source Pick one.
That isn't to say Threema is bad, but if you're going to use a proprietary messenger you would be better-placed using WhatsApp, which uses the Signal protocol (née Axolotl) and the Noise protocol framework, and also has a much bigger user base.
Caleb Phillips
> it has all your messages and pictures stored in "the cloud" in plaintext
Source?
Wyatt Jones
Give me a messaging app with all the features that Telegram has and I will switch over. Desktop client, Browser client, Windows phone client. Able to add bots to chats, able to send large files, able to post stickers and gifs easily. Telegram seems to cover everything whatsapp has and more.
Hunter Butler
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Liam Torres
True
Jace Scott
MicroUSB and UTF-8 are both huge, resounding successes, though.
Michael Ward
>not communicating via hand-written letters and using a different pigeon every day Plebs
Justin Wright
>using Google apps
Samuel Martin
>being a memer
Christian Murphy
> advocating propietary software > advocating messenger reliant on botnet > Advocating messenger owned by Facebook
Summerfags are already here?
Asher Turner
> Crying about propietary software Sometimes propietary is the only option user, stop being a bitch about it.
Jose Rogers
>Why isn't there a truly private, optionally anonymous, fully open-source IM protocol yet? Well, if it's all so simple why haven't you done it yet? If you are so het up about it and there is, according to you, a crying need for it why haven't you done something other that attention-whore?
Grayson Ramirez
>forces people to make fdroid compatible suggestions because they chose to use fdroid.
You are the vegan of technology.
Luis Peterson
here's what creator of telegram thinks about users of telegram gotta trust FSB, they will protect your shit from ebil NSA god fucking damit can't wait to see death of IMs
Leo Ramirez
There's a build in an external F-Droid repo (eutopia.cz I think, look up "LibreSignal"). It works without GApps if you flash microG, the FOSS implementation of some of the GApps infrastructure (even works with no Google account).
I'm sick of having to post this shit in every thread I see, can you faggots please actually learn this this time?
Connor Carter
forgot pic
Ayden Parker
Haha. I pretty much almost never heard of Telegram and the first insight I have on it is that a bunch of pedos rushed to make it their go-to instant messenger because of the open source meme and none of them cared to verify that it actually had any privacy feature
Cooper Perez
Libresignal stopped working because the jewish developer doesn't want people using his servers with an un-official client, even the websockets.
Why don't you fucking learn something this time faggot?
Dominic Thompson
>implying the nsa wouldn't shoot the pigeon down read the message and send another pigeon back to you faking a response and inducing you to incriminate yourself.
Brody Howard
The only chat/app that comes close to cross platform and not already owned by cuckbook jewgle or microcuck is Discord really in terms of popularity. Discord and Telegram. Kik is still popular too for some reason.
Jaxon Morales
Whatsapp with autobackup disabled.
Now what?
Colton Campbell
fucking idiot
Josiah Torres
This
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Xavier Roberts
>Advocating messenger owned by Facebook I've independently reviewed it, but I also think that's a shame. It provides for a convenient metadata collection avenue I would not be surprised that NSA target.
Still, it doesn't change that when I reviewed it, as far as I could tell WhatsApp was sound and fulfilled the promises it makes.
WhatsApp is, I note, run as a separate entity to Facebook itself and .br has had no success in getting it to fold. They are strongly against backdoors and so far, mean well.
I would prefer something open-source and not run in the same manner, hence Signal appearing on top. Something with no central organisation would probably be preferable, but nothing like that is both stronger in any appreciable way and ready to use yet. I'm sticking with my recommendations, and I'm not pretending they're perfect.
Jacob Young
Whatsapp backups are encrypted with reasonable ciphers, both local and cloud Still, use Signal, out better yet XMPP+OTR+Tor and avoid Google
Cameron Price
M-my pictures are not encrypted?
Grayson Wilson
>this thread again We all know
Grayson Cook
What about LibreSignal?
Aiden Martin
It's been abandoned. Check its Github page for more information.
On a happier note, Marlinspike has now said that a patch adding websockets support will be accepted if it's good enough.