Undervolting the 480 to make it PCIe compliant improves performance

Nvidia shills on suicide watch

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>It appears that AMD was pretty easy going with regards to the higher P-state voltages as we were able to reduce ours from 1.15V to 1.05V with the new AMD WattMan software and still had full gaming stability. By lowering the power level down it increases the efficiency of the GPU and for gamers that means you get to hold the boost clock speed longer and get better performance and use less power.

NO DRIVERS

I'll buy one and Sup Forums cannot stop me!

this card keeps getting more interesting for me

>GTX 1060 has a 192 bit memory bus

so being the inept company amd is, they released an unstable overvolted gpu that needs to be manually undervolted.

its going to be undervolted to the same levels as this article tomorrow morning with a software update

More to it than that. The memory is getting tweaked as well, over all the total board's power consumption will drop, and variability in power draw will be markedly lowered in cases where GPUs were effected.

Not all of them had this issue with power draw to begin with, it looks like it was tied to the ASIC quality rating, and Wattman's handling of adjustable TDP between the die and memory.

Where are the nvidia shills?

Crying.

While it is nice to see AMD fixing the issue, it should have never been one. This type of problem should have been seen/foreseen by the development team. Or the people who test the GPU. And if it was tested, why was it pushed out the door? Did they honestly think that NO ONE would find out? With people doing extremely intricate benches/reviews on the card?

I sincerely hope that them "undervolting" the PCIE power draw fixes the card. I hope that the 3rd party coolers and designs include the 8-pin/ 8+6 pins setups. This card hitting 1500mhz+ without blowing something up would be nice to see.

>192 is more than 64
>DO THE MATH

The problem came from the Wattman software and how it interacted with the GPU through the drivers.
Software bug, not a hardware issue.

Nothing is going to make the cards clock any higher though, they're already OC'd. Hitting 1400mhz or even slightly beyond is pure silicon lottery.

Monitoring this thread since there's nothing to say. You've gone from, "1600MHZ GTX 1080 KILLER," to, "If you undervolt it it can run at its stock frequency a little longer before throttling."

>And if it was tested, why was it pushed out the door? Did they honestly think that NO ONE would find out?

This. This is the most interesting question here.

Didn't affect 100% of GPUs
Internal testing and validation of dies, and completed cards didn't include the use of their new overclocking software
It wasn't that they expected this issue to magically fly under the radar. Its just an unforseen software bug. Its not even directly related to the default voltage for each pstate.
The voltages are higher than necessary because AMD did no real clock binning for reference consumer cards, but that isn't whats causing the aberrant power draw from the slot.

test

>rx 480 can't hit 1500mhz even with water cooling and 1.3v
I'm fucking done. I'm buying a 1060.

youtube.com/watch?v=Jq47qmwcus8

Oh hey AMD. Thanks for the extra 4GB of vram. You're so geneous.

>waaaah this 8 stage pipeline arch can't clock to the moon!

GCN has never been, and never will be an exceptionally high clocking arch. Some of the best overclocking Southern Islands cards only hit around 1450mhz, and 4th gen GCN has the same pipeline.
The RX 480 is a $200~ mid range GPU, not an enthusiast part.

>as a based consumer tech bro allow me to explain what the electrical engineers at AMD should have done...

least its fixable, unlike 3.5gb vram

people forget too fast

Makes sense. Thanks.

No telling how many cards can actually run stable with a full 0.1V undervolt. Worse than PCI-E being out of spec would be, "unstable at stock voltage."

width x rate is what matters, but yes 192 is unfortunate, forces us to get 3gb cards or 6 gb cards.

Post all and every meme regarding gpu's from the last decade.

I'll start with woodscrews and 1.7 yields, also "no drivers"

The card internally adjusts ultimate voltages because its capable of monitoring the quality of its own transistors through AVFS sensing paths. If a card needs a variable 5%~ more voltage at a given time then it will sense this and adjust accordingly.

After like 5 minutes of googling, Wattman software seems to be part of the AMD Radeon pro software suite yea?So how was AMD software having problems talking to AMD made drivers for an AMD card?
Exactly. Software or hardware is irrelevant. Something like this should have never been in question in regards to basic quality control. I mean I get it. AMD feels the pressure to release a competing product.But for fuck's sake didn't they say in the past they "want to stop being seen as the cheaper option?" How the fuck do you expect to break that public opinion if you can't get bare basic stuff like this down?
I never forgot about the 3.5/4GB issue. That was a slap in the face and the fact that there was no punishment to speak of (to this day) is mind boggling. How are they still getting away with putting "4GB GDDR5" on their boxes? I was afraid that would become the new trend for both major GPU makers."16GB GDDR5!!." Only 10 usable.

how come ?

Housefire of course.

>RX 480 launches a few months before zen
>AMD desperate for sales decides to make cheap gpu
>Implement plan with said gpu to kill mobos and force users to upgrade their base platform
>Poor fags decide to wait for zen to buy new mobo/ cpu
>AMD laughs all the way to bankruptcy

GTX 1060 has more bandwidth per core than the 1070 or 1080. It'll be fine bro.

>only 33% lower than 480

nvidia's DCC is more than 33% better, so effectively it will have more bandwidth

what's your point?

>some german guy managed to push his to 1500 mhz

I'm pretty optimistic about the nitro, the chip can handle it with the right power

I'm poor

sounds about right

1,3V
WATERCOOLED
DIDN'T EVEN HIT 1500MHZ

Stop being delusional. I also wanted to believe, but AIB cards will OC to 1400 at max.

Also remember, watercooling is expensive and kills the point of this card.

I'm still excited for the AIB cards tho.

> 260 watts for an 18% overclock

my sides

>just discovering this after release
wow, sure they are experts on the subject. you have been pajeet'd.

well i love getting shills into the wall
but there isnt a card out there that doesnt gain from undervolting

>That was a slap in the face and the fact that there was no punishment to speak of (to this day) is mind boggling.
You know what another slap in the face? The fact that so called "3.5GB card" beats what AMD has to offer with 8GB...
The only "advantage" is that some games at unplayable settings are slightly less unplayable.

gpuz says 1500 mhz
didnt even hit 1500

Turning up textures has zero impact on performance when you have the VRAM to handle them. You could still play something like Rise of the Tomb Raider on the same playable settings but with the highest texture setting if you had more VRAM. The idea that having a pitiful amount of VRAM doesn't matter because the game would be unplayable at higher settings is retarded. You don't have to turn any other settings up, just textures. The game then looks better with zero impact on performance. It's not rocket science.

If you ignore DX12

youtube.com/watch?v=Jq47qmwcus8

Watch the video, faggot.

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2 games is hardly "beats" the 970 is ahead only on fallout and witcher
but on total average 480 is smoking that half breed of a gpu

Winning out on average with only half the ROPs of Hawaii. It would have been a total monster if it were a lower clocked 64ROP die.

You know what I do to my 970 to make it perform? Plug it in.

And then spend a few hours carefully adjusting settings to make sure you don't trip the 3.5GB VRAM limit and tank your performance. :^)

>AMD cards are now aware of their poo in the loo-tier build quality

>legitreviews.com
Sounds like a trustworthy website OP.

>AMD shills on Sup Forums happy that undervolting a card increases performance in a single test

AMD is so retarded that giving a card more power reduces performance.

You also understand that not every card is going to be stable at lowered volts right?

Then AMD will have to lower base clocks or boost clocks and that basically becomes false advertisement because of poor testing before sale.

This also has the potential to fuck OCing in the ass as well right?

like I'm fine with shills existing, but can you not be retarded at the same time?

Jesus, how do people consider Sup Forums to be a legit tech board.

I do love a good rambling post from a complete tech-illiterate.

feel free to retort me instead of adding nothing of relevance faggot

great
now instead of your system crashing because of over current, it crashes because the gpu is now overclocked and has even less voltage than stock.

How tech illiterate are you?

he's right for the most part though

So should I just keep my reference RX 480 that comes in a couple days? Or should I just return it and wait for the aib variants? I'm honestly fine with either, I just want something recent that isn't my 7950.

how tech literate are you?
when you verclock you need more voltage than normal (usually a lot more) so when you take voltage away then overclock on top of that you make your system more likely to crash from lack of power.

aibs are generally better, reference coolers are meh.

You already bought it so might as well stick with the reference 480, but a general rule of thumb is to wait for the custom cards, so you fucked up

My thing is I don't care much about the noise, for thermals later down the line I could just get an aftermarket cooler that I could reuse.

What do you think? I'm honestly 50/50 right now.

Well if I refuse the delivery I get a flat refund that's why I'm so wishy washy right now.

*Full refund

I've never bought a nvidia card. Not because I'm a shill but because the amd card always seemed to be a better value for the price. No longer. Nvidia cards command a price premium for a reason now.

I don't argue with retards.

>buying reference cards

Wait for the Sapphire Nitro.

you always want to have VCC as low as possible, no matter what you do.

if you OC if you DC, you want to have your VCC is low as it goes, because you wont have as much Watts and thus will create less heat.

This is pretty much basics of EE.

>AMD is so retarded that giving a card more power reduces performance.

There is nothing "retarded" about that. Lowering heat output and power lets any die run in peak boost state for longer.
AMD did no clock binning with consumer Polaris10 dies, voltages are more than generous just so they could move volume.

>You also understand that not every card is going to be stable at lowered volts right?
Incorrect as AVFS accounts for this. You're utterly clueless.

>Then AMD will have to lower base clocks or boost clocks and that basically becomes false advertisement because of poor testing before sale.
No they won't. All of your speculation is using a laughably flawed premise.

>This also has the potential to fuck OCing in the ass as well right?
Lowering voltages at stock clocks has literally nothing to do with OC headroom at all. Jesus Christ, you are legitimately stupid.

>like I'm fine with shills existing, but can you not be retarded at the same time?
The irony here is palpable.

Not even remotely.

only if you use amd. on my 980 and all of my friends 970's we can get to 1400/1500 mhz without any extra voltage. on my 980 i don't even have to adjust the power limit slider to get 1450 mhz.

>AMD shills says that their driver issues have been fixed with the latest update
>the whole over voltage thing is because of AMD's incompetence with software
Really makes you think.

if you really don't care, then keep reference.

I rock GTX780 reference and I'm fine.

I am forced to be agreeing with you fellow unbiased consumer. The AMD are just a poor cards only bought by poor people. I and all my friends have buying superior Nvidia GeForce GTX graphics from this time on.

hi guys

I'm so very conflicted right now.

well no shit.
but if you put it too low it's going to crash.

>"If you undervolt it it can run at its stock frequency a little longer before throttling."

If you've actually read the thread then you'd know that undervolting it means it can holds its BOOST clocks better, not its base clocks.

So you don't have anything relevant to say, gotcha

I mean, you could have just admitted defeat instead of cowering like a bitch

>Look mum, I can use big words to make me seem smart

Do you work for wccftech?

they could use some brain dead retards like you

>get blown the fuck out for being a tech illiterate retard
>desperately shitposts in retaliation as he realizes all of his idiotic speculation looks childish

Every single time.

>Stop being delusional. I also wanted to believe, but AIB cards will OC to 1400 at max.

HardOCP, the biggest NVidia shill anti-AMD site on the internet, has reported that AIBs are saying that the cards hit 1600MHz but it depends on silicon lottery.

he's right about the voltage. it can cause instability with the lower voltage. even adoredtv admitted it.

i.e. 1266MHz.

Hes not right about anything, you can't make a blanket vague statement about a subject that is explicitly granular.

Lower voltages for any given pstate, and how it affects stability, if at all, depends on the given ASIC, and how far they're being lowered. Reducing a boost state voltage 10% when it has a 15% stability margin, and the chip itself regulates per transistor voltage in real time, would never adversely impact stability.

according to some sites the asic quality of a lot of the cards are below par and hence why they had to increase the voltage to get as many units in stores as possible. it will affect some cards

HOOOOOOOLYSHIIIIIIT

FUCKING 0.5 to 2.5 FRAMES PER SECONDS IMPROVEMENT

and

AND

IT DOESNT MELT YOUR MOTHERBOARD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCKING 1070 BTFO, 970 BTFO, 390 BTFO, NVIDIA BANKRUPT BY TOMMORoW

>holidays
>decide to work for a month on a company to build "gaming computers"
>I have to install windows 10, and drivers of the mobo, gpu etc. so they can work out of the box
>Just finished to build a computer with a 1080
>put the CD provided by nvidia to install the drivers
>it install nvidia geforce experience bullshit
>no drivers

We don't connect those computers to the internet, it's too much troubles, it's faster to just install the drivers using the CDs provided by the manufacturers you pay 700€ for a GPU and they can't even ship it with its drivers.

This shit is just getting weirder and weirder

750ti and 960 were far worse on the PCIe problems and nobody complained that their motherboards were fried from those cards, what makes the 480 so special

this is bullshit. i worked in a company which built pc's too and all windows verification and drivers will be done on the internet because it was way faster.

everyone disregard this flaseflag post.

hello best gpu software ever made. you are lovely. i love you.

Lookz nice

Not the same thing at all.

pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Evaluating-ASUS-GTX-960-Strix

Plus even if it was the same thing happening, two wrongs don't make a right.

no, no they weren't they pulled over spec for milliseconds at a time. never a solid minute like the 480. stop shilling and get your facts straight.

DELETE THIS

Oh right these constant peaks are far better to AMDs problem that can be fixed via software

You're an idiot. Look at the lows, it's not "constant peaks". Average is perfectly acceptable every single second, unlike the 480.