Do you still burn DVDs for hoarding your torrented shit or whatever?

Do you still burn DVDs for hoarding your torrented shit or whatever?

Are they actually reliable as long term storage or should I start transferring them over to portable hard drives or something since they're all so cheap anyways

Yes and yes.

They're also cheap.

transfer them to The Cloud

also it's ultimately cheaper

Lol how do you even burn CDs? And why would you just get a USB thumb drive.

Why portable hard drive? Just stick an internal drive in your pc case. If you only own a laptop you should get out.

you need to be over 18 to post here

not using cassettes

I still do for backups. Got some really cheap in a clearance sale (DL too which aren't common).

Optical discs can last for a long but only if looked after. If kept away from direct sunlight and store in a dry place that doesn't vary in temperature much then they'd be no reason for them to not last 50 years. Of course, you could just go and buy those M-Disc types that apparently will last 1000 years as they have no reflective layer.

i feel safer knowing my porn isn't actually in my desktop. i'm in canada

Pedo.

DVD-Rs are extremely reliable.
I still have completely recoverable file backups that have been exposed to direct sunlight on the dashboard of my Packard since the early '50s.

Almost this.

Just use tape. You have tar and dd on your computer for this exact purpose.

Can someone explain why you wouldn't just use a hard drive?

dump your 50's files or gtfo

Hard drives can stop working after less than a year of inactivity. CDs last decades

Eh, 6TB HDDs are finally cheap enough I just don't have to care anymore.
Stuff I'm keeping forever goes on M-Discs though.

No, however i still use an optical drive to rip Music CDs into FLACs.

100 dvds: ~20$
500 gb hdd: ~50$

I am sorry yall have no idea about the durability of dvd or CDs. Yes pressed CDs can hold data for 50+ years, but self burnt shit does not. Look at the statistics.

More like 1TB HDD for $40. They're getting cheap as shit now.

Yes to all of those.

I burn CDs to have in my car, 2-4 isos of DVDs that have perfectly functioning software that I liked enough to make that exception, and then the rest is all linux distros and a copy of DBAN
The bad thing is those distros burnt onto DVD outlive their usefulness, but I don't want to throw them away since they're still perfectly functional.

Always have a good 1-2 tb external hdd with everything on it though OP.

>500 gb hdd: ~50$
6000 GB HDD: ~210$

This. Hard drives can be damaged easier too since there are more parts to break. CD/DVD are optical media, they last forever unless you scratch them or damage them, and they're not that easy to damage unless you drop them a lot.

I use CDs and DVDs mostly for burning (mostly older) PC games depending on how big they are.

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I've heard a lot of talk about discrot, but for some reason I've never seen it. I have CDs I burned ten or eleven years ago that still read perfectly.

It's not really an issue if they're kept in a cool, dry, dark place unless they're super shitty discs.

>Early 50s
U wut m8

During my last vacation a few months ago, I digitized my dad's entire CD collection into iTunes/the shared iCloud library he has with my mom in preparation for his first smartphone, and of the 700 albums he had, only two or three of them had actually degraded into an unreadable state.

They were storebought albums from the 90s, as opposed to his hundreds of secondhand and friend-burnt copies of stuff. I was surprised at the low fail rate and the lack of any DIY ones that were dead.

Anyway, data rot is definitely a thing but influenced heavily by time and storage, so maybe not now but in the next five years or so it'd be pertinent to start moving older archived stuff on optical to cloud storage/local HDDs.

Enjoy storing all this dvds and shifting through 100 of them for one file.

Also the time it takes to burn all the shit instead of just transferring files to a HDD.

I have HDDs I used ten years ago, every day and they still read perfectly too.

A good deal on a terabyte is $20 these days. Refurb SMR drives hitting the market should drop that even more.

Nice try, FBI

>not organizing your physical data storage alphabetically in a cd/dvd cabinet

How will you go on about programms? You can store a lot of the smaller ones on a dvd, can't write each of them down.

>Do you still burn DVDs for hoarding your torrented shit or whatever?
I never did, I just add more HDDs

>CD/DVD are optical media, they last forever
Storebought still lasts far longer than burned media. When you buy something in a store, the data is physically pressed into the disk. When you burn a disc, you're just changing the colour of dye that degrades over time.

iirc even the best burned discs are only rated for 50 years or so.

>Do you still burn DVDs for hoarding your torrented shit or whatever?

No, I just buy a new hdd.

>Are they actually reliable as long term storage
depends on the DVD and the environment. some brands/models/series are very reliable, some aren't.

>USB thumb drive
flash drives are actually more expensive than DVDs

how do you find cheap cassetes/tape?

>transfer them to The Cloud
>The Cloud
kys

>burn the dvd
>print a list of contents on a paper
>store that paper with the dvd
How can you even type a question like that without coming up with an answer for it yourself?

>50 years
m8 if you go for 15 years without looking at your data you clearly don't need that shit anymore.

Which cloud?

>moving goalposts
50 years is FAR from forever.

>CDs

You illiterate nigger we're talking about DVDs. You know the one with the reflective layer sandwiched between plastic not just glued on top.

I'm not the guy you were talking to retard.
But I would guess he didn't actually meant they last forever as in actually forever.
Sometimes people use words in a non-literal way. Try to keep up please

i have a few OS's on dvd and cd just in case. Also my favorite movies so they dont take up space. I'll never have a computer without some type of optical drive untill tech gets better. my next computer will have a blu ray drive.

I would use a BD-Rs to store shit but they're just too pricey still, never went down. Hard drives are just cheaper and will last longer for archival purposes. burnt discs just dont last that long, especially with how cheaply they're made these days.

Eat a dick, my point is that DVDs are far from permanent storage.

actually any number is far from forever by the nature of infinity

more like
2TB = 6$

they're literlly dirt cheap

If you don't buy cheap shit, and store them properly they'll last at very least 15 years.
If you have data that you can spend 15 years without missing, you don't need that shit anymore.
>far from permanent storage
Nothing is permanent you cunt

>If you don't buy cheap shit, and store them properly they'll last at very least 15 years.
I never said otherwise.
>If you have data that you can spend 15 years without missing, you don't need that shit anymore.
Entirely untrue.
>Nothing is permanent you cunt
I never said otherwise, you twat.

So what are you even fucking arguing?
Obviously no form of storage will last forever. The person you were originally replying to was using forever in a non-literal way but you're an autistic fuck that didn't understand that so I tried to explain.

That DVDs are a shitty choice for long term data storage.

But they're not. They are a great choice on top of being extremely cheap

But they are. The only thing they're good for is disposable storage

Provide us with a better choice for long term storage that comes even close to being as cheap as DVDs.

proof?
i guess all those 90s cd's have all eroded. somehow vinyl and tapes have outlasted Cds/dvds/blurays

So you have to sift through paper, find the one with the right software, then take out the right DVD, then put it inside, wait till PC recognize it and install it.

vs plugging external drive in, waiting 5 sec, picking the program out and installing.

Tape

I'm talking about burned optical media while you're talking about pressed optical media. There's a big difference.

>Are they actually reliable as long term storage
Yes, I have a decade long DVDs laying around, they still work. Just keep them away from direct sun light and humidity.

>Tape

Hahahaha

Wow user you sure blew me away with that rebuttal

Unless its an M-Disk, but you need a special drive that supports burning them

Oh... You were serious?

Why would I not be?

I literally just threw away like 400 discs because I never use them anymore.

they scratch with each use, so unless you plan on using it more than a few times it'll die.

issue with cds is that you can never tell when one of those scratches will ruin the data on the disk.. could last years could break after first use.

Well a lot of my movies exceed 4.xGB so no and BluRay media is too expensive and slow anyhow.

I just buy HDD's and fill them up.

I thought it was a joke! Tape is much more expensive than dvd-r

One hdd fails you lose a ton. One DVD-r fails you don't lose as much

No. I just go to the store and buy another hard drive for $40 bucks.

>they scratch with each use, so unless you plan on using it more than a few times it'll die.
Wow, you must have no idea to to handle discs if your scratching them every time.

If one hard drive fails, you replace it and sync it with your backup drive. There is no reason not to buy 2 HDD at a time when they are so damn cheap.

Holy fuck, it's like you don't even realize a needle comes into contact with the disc every time you play it.

poor troll/10

Finally someone making sense in the thread.

Burnable CDs/DVDs degrade physically over time. There is no way to prevent this. In fact there isn't even a way to detect this, other than doing periodic full reads of each disc. CDs can survive longer; but DVDs can kill themselves in just a few years.

Pressed CDs/DVDs may suffer from bitrot or similar problems, depending on the quality of the materials and the pressing. There were cases where archived, unopened store bought discs turned up unreadable after 20 years due to an error. As I recall it was something along the lines of small oxygen bubbles getting stuck inside the disc, and slowly oxidizing the data layer over the years.

CDs are a godawful idea for archival.

HDDs, for all their faults, at least can be easily monitored for faults, and can be set up for much greater error tolerance (up to 2 entire HDDs in RAID6 can die and be replaced with no data being lost).

i doubt anyone in this thread actually still burns dvds

it's depreciated, and i dont care how many posers in this thread claim they still use them/claim there's still a reason to use them.

>One hdd fails you lose a ton. One DVD-r fails you don't lose as much

If you have one hdd, you can check the SMART data every once in a while for suspicious read/write errors, to see if the health of the drive is good.

If you have 200 DVDs, it would many days of non-stop reading to check all of them... and they have far less life expectancy than HDDs. That stack of 50 DVDs you burned a few years ago? Chances are that at least a few of them have read errors by now.

>how do you find cheap cassetes/tape?
Finding cheap tape is actually the easy part. I find that most computer-part vendors sell good tape for cheap. The hard part is finding the actual tape drive for less than what you could get 100 hard drives for.

>cloud
enjoy when your internet connection goes down

HOLY SHIT your right.

I sometimes burn PS1 ISOs to play in the console

I'm surprised anyone "tech savvy" would even consider any form of compact disc today. I haven't had a system with any type of compact disc drive in 8 years.

I mean, I've got a USB one in a closet somewhere, but I've never used it.

I do that on top of HDD storage. In case one fuck up I'll always have the other to fall back on. And considering how dirt cheap both DVDs and HDDs are I'm willing to pay a tiny bit more for some extra security.

No they aren't reliable, you will end up throwing them all away in a decade.

Network speeds get so fast it doesn't matter if you horde.

That's why they are making dem laser turntables or 3d scan the older records to not damage them, eh? Somebody should just teach people how to not damage disks made of malleable plastic when scratching them with a needle.

about 40% of my burned cds and dvds from the 2000s are completely unreadable.

This. I had to pay someone in Arizona to fix them all. I ended up backing them up to Bluray. Supposedly they're more reliable but who knows. I also store them in HDDs.

They go bad even if you store them and never touch them.

and hope you have the cash to fork out for a new drive when new versions of the tapes are released

while blu rays are more scratch resistant, they still degrade just as fast as dvds

I have 1300+ of these fuckers that I need to digitize. They are cheap when you add all the other shit associated with them. If you are trying to keep something safe then you need a case. Those fucking wallets will scratch the living shit of anything if there is any usage at all. Also, I have 7 giant bins of these fucking things. When I lived in an appartment these fucking things took up too much room.

Yes all the time especially when someone asks me reinstall Windows on their computer

they are a cheap way to give stuff to old people
i can get 50 disc for like $20 in kangaroo land i assume it's cheaper in burgerland

how much is data recovery per disc?

Bull fucking shit on that absurd claim about hard drives. I've plugged in hard drives that have been sitting on a shelf for 3+ years and had 0 issues with them. 12 months of inactivity does not hurt a hard drive.

Probably going to throw away my sata and ide disk bays
Backed up all the dvds last year onto a hard drive.

I burn CDs to put in my car. That's about it.

Hard disk failure is extremely predictable and with backups, you can reclone data in time before your backup fails, ensuring no data loss. Why do I say they are predictable? Hard disks usually work or they don't, and bad sectors shows up easily in software. Checking whether all 8TB-16TB of disks are working without bad sectors is a matter of minutes.
Imagine stacks of DVD pr BDs lying in your boxes takes days to read all data for bad sectors as there are no error checking mechanisms like hard disks. If you don't want to take days to check them, your only last resort is to place your religious faith in them that they are still working, that they will last.