>BU BU BU BU BUT BSD ISN'T AS EASY TO SET UP AS GNU/LINUX! FreeBSD is easy to set up, and has the best documentation of any software project on the Internet. Full stop.
>BU BU BU BU BUT MUH DRIVERS FreeBSD has millions of device drivers due to having a full featured development suite and source code available upon installation, ready for modification.
>BU BU BU BU BUT MOOOM, MUH GAYYYYUMZ FreeBSD comes with a number of optional games to install, and more games are being ported every day.
FreeBSD is the most stable OS in the world, when properly configured, and has major contributions to the source code from skilled developers working at companies like Netflix, and NGINX.
It doesn't have a graphical installer like most of the linux distros
Jace Gray
>desktop OS Ebin. Come back when you can print and scan things like normal people, NEET
Luis Wood
>Muh embedded Admit it, FreeBSD are bloat. You can't install FreeBSD on 4MB flash rom.
James Morales
yeah i dont know where the fuck he was going with embedded
server, yeah desktop, maybe embedded, fuck no
if you want embedded, go with netbsd, that's the entire point of that project
Ayden Barnes
ah right. that's a deal breaker for GUIcucks, isn't it?
Brandon Davis
CUPS? GhostScript? Are you even trying?
Jaxson Diaz
>easy to set up You obviously haven't dealt with ports then...
Christian Stewart
Stop trying to troll me and TROLL ME.
Kevin Wilson
How did you post here? What OS are you using now?
Jace Ramirez
FreeBSD, of course. I never said I don't want a GUI, merely implied I don't need a GUI to install the system.
Hunter Morales
Umm. What?
FreeBSD's ports are in the top 5 easiest ports systems to manage of any OS ever.
Seriously. Only NetBSD's comes to mind as easier.
Liam Lee
>easiest ports That may be so, but any ports is anything but easy to use.
I mean, FreeBSD's ports require you to run the same command with the exact same arguments up to three-four times, and it does something different every time, despite the fact that, you know, you pass the SAME FUCKING ARGUMENTS to it.
Whoever the fuck designed that boilerplate cobblework deserves to be shot in the neck.
Robert Brown
that's only the shell you're using. use a real shell and you won't have to do so much
Adam Nguyen
So now it's my fault for using the default shell (as provided, by default and recommended, by FreeBSD)?
Brandon Diaz
Agreed.
Xavier Lee
>FreeBSD's ports require you to run the same command with the exact same arguments up to three-four times ????
Kayden Stewart
I want to try out BSD but I need to know a few things before I jump in:
1. Does it really have all the Linux available softwares? Full GNOME/Cinnamon/KDE? 2. Anything like PPA or AUR? 3. How will virtualbox perform in BSD? Any KVM/QEMU pass-through technology happening soon? 4. Live ISO so I can try before installing?
Bentley Brown
>1. Does it really have all the Linux available softwares? No, but it has a Linux compatibility layer for most stuff
>Full GNOME/Cinnamon/KDE? Yes, that it has, at least for GNOME and KDE.
>2. Anything like PPA or AUR? No
>3. How will virtualbox perform in BSD? Any KVM/QEMU pass-through technology happening soon? At the moment, PCI pass-through requires a patch to the Linux kernel, so no, that's not happening soon on any BSD.
>4. Live ISO so I can try before installing? You can create one, but none is given out of the box, no.
Julian Fisher
Also how do the distros differ? Like in Linux Ubuntu and Arch is not really different except from the release cycle and package manager
Evan Long
>Does it really have all the Linux available softwares? Full GNOME/Cinnamon/KDE? Look it up on the respective port sites. OpenBSD people have done some effort to port GNOME3, don't know if there's an effort for Plasma 5. Reason for it being that they have to patch out all the systemd dependencies. Try to look in their respective ports collections and binary package mirrors. Example: ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.9/packages/amd64/ >2. Anything like PPA or AUR? Pretty sure the AUR was inspired by the ports system. >3. How will virtualbox perform in BSD? Any KVM/QEMU pass-through technology happening soon? Normally pretty good, but they recommend bare metal. There are some bugs in OpenBSD that are unavoidable in Virtualbox because of how it VB handles memory, but all it really does is change the color of the console to red, so it doesn't matter. As for virtualization, FreeBSD has bhyve, OpenBSD is gonna have vmm/vmd soon. >4. Live ISO so I can try before installing? nope
Owen Morgan
worse hardware support, period worse filesystems worse technology (hurr but linux tech is too complex we're too small to audit all that) not actually stable
Caleb James
>distros FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD etc are not "distros", they are completely different operating systems. Sure, they are very similar in some aspects and not so similar in others, but AFAIK the code base for most of them are quite different.
Kevin Ramirez
here, don't they have zfs?
Daniel Hill
Btrfs > zfs
Lucas Wilson
Yes, FreeBSD has ZFS.
Good point about the virtualisation, I was referring specifically to KVM/QEMU in which does not work on FreeBSD.
Not quite sure about the state of IOMMU support in any of the BSDs though.
Dominic Morris
ZFS is good, but useless unless you have some kind of server.
Wow, that user from the other thread wasn't wrong, we really do have Red Hat shills on Sup Forums.
Dominic Ward
Stop trolling
I'm pretty sure he's trolling
Jordan Moore
Hmm thanks guys. I'll let BSD to develop a bit more. Meanwhile I'll be using Linux.
BSD people need to sort out which one to put more effort into (Open/Free). Linux software feels more universal since they are all the same OS
Luis Cook
they all cooperate, it's just not apparent at first
there was this developer, itojun, who had commit rights to every BSD, including Apple's Darwin
even the ports systems borrow from each other, some openbsd devs use freebsd ports as a base
Jason Howard
I love making something that should take 10 minutes of my time into a 6 hour ordeal.
Jack Edwards
>Hmm thanks guys. I'll let BSD to develop a bit more. Meanwhile I'll be using Linux. You misunderstand, user.
FreeBSD is not going to turn into something you want, because it's simply not developing in that direction. FreeBSD is a server OS, and yes, you can make it sorta kinda work on your desktop, but the devs are not going to turn it into some Ubuntu.
I mean, FreeBSD is even older than Linux. It's about as "developed" it can be. It's simply not intended for the things you want to use an OS for.
>BSD people need to sort out which one to put more effort into (Open/Free). Linux software feels more universal since they are all the same OS They are completely different projects, and they are so because of a reason (completely different philosophies), so also not going to happen.
Blake James
This. The BSDs' userlands are virtually the same.
Michael Gutierrez
I'd love to main OS it, but apparently they don't have wifi drivers for the ThinkPad T410
Nicholas Foster
>not as supported as linux >cuck license >so insecure there's a "babby's first rootkits" book on it >"the best" documentation when arch wiki exists (which works for software on other distros too) >an OS that just screams "i'm a masochistic hipster and I just love making my life difficult" >even more hobbyist than fucking arch or gentoo >what and posted >no drivers
come back when bsd can do something right
Asher Edwards
It's sad that BSD can't do any better
Henry James
freebsd installs in less than half a minute on modern hardware. to get the gui environment installed you just run pkg fetch *whatever DE you want*. it literally, L I T E R A L L Y takes ten minutes.
basically, you're a huge cock sucking faggot
Ayden Price
fuck you are pathetic, you really do search Sup Forums for these threads
Adam Morales
>>cuck license the "you can do whatever the fuck you want, including sell it for profit" BSD license is a cuck license?
Anthony Perez
>cuck license >implying the GPL isn't the very definition
>"Other applications print." Your post is pointless.
William Nguyen
>on the front page >takes 10 seconds to reply with a pasta >forget about the thread until it's bumped back up here >>>>"pathetic" your insecurity doesn't make bsd any better
see: react
Luke Kelly
>community worse than GNU community >hostile to free software and filled with angry teenagers I agree it is the best for servers, Linux can't compare with BSD for servers and stability. But GNU is for everyday use, it has much more development and is overall much better for daily use. BSD runs my servers though and I love it.
>ZFS >Will corrupt all your data if you run in on non-ECC hardware >Can't add HDDs to existing arrays >Can't re-balance existing arrays >Block level deduplication was a mistake
Elijah Kelly
>>BU BU BU BU BUT MUH DRIVERS The Playstation 4 runs FreeBSD 5
Henry Lee
Nah, Orbis OS is FreeBSD 9.0
Charles Ward
So is BSD is dying with no hope? RIP
Lucas Stewart
>cups ewww Doesn't FreeBSD have a working classic lpd like NetBSD?
Owen Torres
Does wireless scan work in any of those?
Dominic Richardson
The fuck has scanning to do with lpd?
Logan Sanders
>cuck license Yeah, no.
Sebastian Barnes
How about cups?
Alexander Ramirez
What has scanning to do with cups?
Kayden Williams
You literally can't argue with this kek
Justin Campbell
Does FreeBSD have a driver for my ' Archer T4U ' USB Stick wifi reciever? I guess not
Nicholas Bell
>can't even find out the chipset and look it up back to Sup Forums with you
Levi Green
The person you replied to was supposed to find a way to scan wirelessly
Jack Cook
Which has nothing to do with cups whatsoever
Jason Campbell
>stable what if I not stablefag? Threre is fresh packages? Wayland? uclibc? musl?
Jordan Green
Does FreeBSD have a functioning ASLR implementation?
>into le trash it goes
Tyler Cruz
Hmm I guess he was retarded to talk about cups and ghostscripts when I was looking for a way to print and scan over WiFi
Brayden Rodriguez
>Does FreeBSD have a functioning ASLR implementation? hurr, wut is sekyureteey?
Xavier Phillips
GPL makes sure that the code won't be used in some proprietary shit.
Connor Long
A thing that cannot control volume
Parker Gray
/Thread
Adrian Williams
Good points, im totally switching to freebsd now!
Austin Gonzalez
ok then it's rubbish
Charles Ross
Thus causing GPL projects not being used at all, good idea!
Jonathan Williams
>contributing to non-free software BSDfags are the cancer. Who cares about non-free software?
Lucas Gomez
call me when BSD marketshare reaches single digits
Brody Butler
There was a weird bug for me that didn't allow to install it. I prepared 25GB of unallocated space. I first partitioned it manually, but instead of 20GB it showed me 1TB (and I have 500GB HDD only) and when I tried to install it it poped me I/O error. Same thing happened when I tried automatic partitioning. Anyone knows what the problem might be? It works with GNU and Windows well.
Luis Morales
Why should i use BSD instead of Linux. I have never come across a good reason. Is this just for muh im special snowflake feeling? Fucking redpill me already
Parker Rogers
the software ecosystem is smaller, yes, but that's the price of quality
Asher Gonzalez
Haven't used BSD, but it's directly ported UNIX, while GNU/Linux is rewritten UNIX. Reasons to use BSD are mostly philosophical because of licensing. Also, can anyone answer my question ?
Adam Nelson
redpill yourself. it's common sense
Jeremiah Young
Alrighty thanks for clarification
Isn't the point of this thread to someone to redpill me? Eh i'll just stick with good ol' linux
Caleb Watson
Here you go: Linux competes with Windows BSD competes with Linux
you can understand the gap between Linux and BSD
BSD will always be a baby, hopelessly patching Linux softwares for itself as unofficial ports
Yeah, so no reason to use BSD, Expect the philosophical reasons as user above said
Im out
Thomas White
>believing what that idiot said shiggy.
Colton Phillips
Enlighten me then, mr. Neckbeard. I didn't use BSD, as I said. How much do you feel superior for calling me idiot?
Blake James
You literally cannot deny me
William Bailey
>BSD will always be a baby, hopelessly patching Linux softwares for itself as unofficial ports
BSD is not even comparable to linux. Linux is a trademark. linux is a kernel.
BSD is a fully featured, fully integrated OS, from kernel to userland utilities.
The system is designed so that it is stable, not only as a system, but stable for a user. If you learned BSD 16 years ago, your skills are still relevant. It also puts a higher emphasis on being performant than linux does.
If we can personify Linux and BSD, Linux just wants to run on every device. BSD wants to be the best system.
Bentley Brooks
>getting cucked into no games
Aaron Rivera
Yeah full OS with no DE
Leo Morris
>They don't mention the license anywhere Wow, it told me fucking nothing. I want to use software that is released on GPL, and not some permissive cuck license.
Joshua Sanchez
GNU/Linux has no DE as well you fucking retard. Just tell me where you live, I will come next weekend and murder you. I'll give your whore of a mother money to clean your shit up as compensation. It sure will be to social benefit.
Kayden Foster
Yes it has, GNU has GNOME. Consider suicide hippie shit
David Foster
I'm running OpenBSD on it. Works great
Anthony Evans
>i'm unable to navigate a simple website, and i want everyone to know. Autistic Pride
Nathaniel Torres
>Using an operating system from the university that is responsible for the mistake called vi
Jayden Hall
#rekt w/ no respekt
Adam Russell
yea its preddy good, although i use ubuntu so that i can play civ v and chivalry with my wife's son.
Luke Ortiz
>implying that the license isn't an important aspect of an operating system and one of the main reasons to switch
Tyler Barnes
pkg install mate
Ian Cooper
Oh, how do I run Xfce on GNU/Linux OS? It's called GNU/Linux because of GNU's core utils needed for a whole OS to work. And guess what. It works without DE.
Carson King
There's people ITT that need to grow up and see that the world isn't GNU/World.
People need to work and get paid. So take your GNU/Dream/Life and gtfo.
BSD license is a license for people who work. Not a license for stupid NEET, like "DUUR DURR THE WORLD NEEDS TO BE FREE AS IN FREE BEER"
