I had a HUGE argument with my dad. He's an unironic communist and he says that the Linux distro I use is "socialism in action." I told him it's actually more libertarian than anything else and it all went downhill from there.
Who is right Sup Forums? Is free software socialist?
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>dad is an unironic communist
>son uses Linux distros
A family of nutjobs.
You're both assholes for attempting to force your little political fantasies into my software.
Libertarianism is socialism retard
An operating system is an environment for you to run your programs.
...how did you manage to insert sociopolitics into it?
You both are autistic tbqh
Guess at least you know where you get it from
No, there are noncucked licenses like MIT or BSD. Just never use any GPL licensed software and you're good to go.
>Baker is sharing his baking machine and receip with other people and don't ask anything from the moment they don't sell it.
>HURR, he's just making bread, why do you insert sociopolitics
That's how retarded you sound.
It's actually Capitalism too. 99% of contributions are made by enterprises.
Corporate socialism?
Commie and Linux user here.
Let's ignore for a moment distros with capital-based development like Ubuntu, because I don't think anyone is stupid enough to claim those are socialism.
Even then, the other distros are not socialism. They're just collaborative projects intended to compete in capitalism with closed-source projects, that's it.
Yeah, Stallman has a worldview that resembles commies, but his focus is unrelated to production systems - he's talking about freedom of speech, stuff defended by commies and caps alike.
Linux is indeed attractive for commies, though, and I've noticed plenty commies use it. But again, plenty commies eat bread, might as well call everyone who eats bread a commie...
Odds are your father was trying to taunt you.
what's an ironic communist?
"unironic" in this case is being used as an adverb of manner. Usually those are prescribed a -ly suffix (unironically), but it's kinda common to drop it and use the base form.
TL;DR: OP says his dad is a commie in an unironic fashion = his father is really a commie.
A program isn't just about the instructions the machine runs. It's also about development, licenses, cost, social usage. All those "beyond the math" things have economic-political implications.
seems like you unironically have autism
>Freedom of speech
>Commies
Choose one.
Nah. My ex-girlfriend thought so (mind you she has Aspergers), but my psychiatrist dismissed it.
are there any good leftist linux groups around?
the alt-right fuckfest that is tech is killing me
A commie in a nutshell is someone who defends social production means, as opposed to capitalism defenders who believe production means should be individually owned. That's it. If you're going to defend freedom of speech or not, it's another can of worms. Not everybody is a Stalin.
I'm not aware.
almost first reply, best reply
Linux is funded by big business, not the proletariat.
It's maintained by a select few people with Linus at the top, it's anything but classless.
Any way you look at it it's not communism and you're both retarded to project political ideologies onto it.
RMS' only principle is that free software respects the users' freedoms, not fucking communism
>bsd
>uncucked
How much is apple making on their proprietary system based on bsd?
respect your father. He won't be around forever. Just let him have this one OP.
There is nothing about Linux that makes it "libertarian" or "socialist". That's just retarded.
It's just as retarded as the people who think licenses like the GPL are gratis because it has no monetary cost.
>archwomen
As long as they don't claim to be left-wing just because they're feminists, I'm fine.
(I hate those fucking leeches. "Guise we defend women/blacks/gays, we're totally left-wing! Ohhh fuck off commies!")
nearly all women are natural leftie feminists
But it is the exact opposite
>Not getting the difference between the OS and the license it is written
You can't get more retarded
"social" is euphemism for "state"
>"social" is euphemism for "state"
No... social production can be either state-based or collab-based.
show this to your father
that's not what "ironic" means though... is OP stupid?
>Who is right Sup Forums? Is free software socialist?
Using/getting something for no work or pay?
yea thats like the definition of socialism
>2016
>still unironically unaware of Sup Forums usage of "unironically"
It's an unorthodox usage of the word, sure, but still based on the original meaning.
Unironically < without irony < without saying something by its opposite < saying something directly < as it is < really
I seriously hope you're trolling. I still want to have faith in humankind.
No it isn't, dumbass
Your dad is retarded
Guys are there any far right wing linux groups around? I just want to code hand in hand with fascist qt.
>Implying there is a girl who uses Linux?
>Implying there is a fascist girl in existence?
>implying I was talking about girls
;)
Hilary Clinton is a girl and she's a fascist.
>Hillary Clinton
>a human
Please she's clearly a lizard person in disguise.
Gay!
Kek!
/polgbt/ spreads far and wide, I see. Makes me happy at any rate.
>You: This baking machine is socialist
>Me: A machine is a machine. It cannot be socialist.
>You: But this effigy is stuffed with straw. When I knock it over, it will fall.
Interesting.
Yes, Free Software is socialism. The means of production (the source code + the tools) are in the hands of everyone, the proletariat, while in proprietary software the source code is in the hands of the bourgeoisie i.e the business owners. Pretty much the definition of socialism m8. Also, Stallman is a lefty and he founded the movement.
Why do people still use this communist shit in 2016?
Grow up and get a goddamn job
That's marxism, which is a form of socialism.
Socialism by itself is just an admission that people are worth more than money
>tfw Canonical and RedHat are lower-tier than OpenSUSE.
The fuck? Linux distributions have no connection to the government, however it is a form of altruism which is a socialist value.
Also Democratic socialism =/= Communism
HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE
>safe space
dropped
>Socialism by itself is just an admission that people are worth more than money
found the commie
It is both libertarian and socialist in nature. Socialist, because the benefits are socialized. Libertarian, because it does not demand government to socialize these benefits.
Fair point, but most communists aren't able to fathom voluntary participation in an effective and meritocratic economic system, as opposed to violent overthrow or living on some commune that doesn't affect shit on a societal level.
>the Linux distro I use is "socialism in action."
Not so much, since central government goons didn't go round to linus' house with guns and say "Make linux and give it away for free or we're going to shoot you".
>the Linux distro I use is "socialism in action."
Not so much. Central government goons didn't go to Linus like "Make linux and distribute it for free or we're going to shoot you".
Linux is libertarian as fuck, freedom of information enables people to freely compete to be the best provider of services.
Microcuck is socialism, a state helped monopoly and customers get no freedom of choice and this eliminates competition.
Plus I won't support a company who's creator funded common-core AKA full commie indoctrination.
Free competition without getting paid or benefiting personally for it.
Face it, free software doesn't fit into any pre-existing economic model. Nobody expected that there would be something (programming) that is both enjoyable enough to do for free and also massively beneficial to society in a monetary sense.
>what is Red Hat
>what is Canonical
>what is IBM
Software is not a product because it's not scarce.
It's a service.
Only recently software companies have realized this, that's why subscription models are a thing now.
Yes Linux is socialism, and you can also be a libertarian socialists or a libertarian marxist.
t. marxist.
Oh (you), stop flattering me
Microsoft fired my dad like 6 years ago but he still shills:
>"get windows 10 before it's too late"
>"no I don't want spyware"
>"still using that shitty freebie os?"
>state controls every aspect of your life with unlimited power
>somehow libertarian
It could be if you still believe in commie literature fairy tales but reallity is another story.
Linux is socialist as fuck, being a slave to the license and being forced to use that license in any project where you use some of the code licensed under it. "Hey have this hammer! Everything you build with it you can not own it htough"
Paid OSes like Windows and OS X are capitalism, a free market where people have the ultimate freedom of choice and nothing stops you from making your own OS and selling it (unlike with the Lincucks license), you can even use stuff under the BSD, the true free non-commie license.
>the difference between product and service is that products are scarce
Of course a socialist like you would think that, I've seen the pictures of Venezuela. You're a retard Harry.
Underated/10
>Thinking Linux/Open source is the same as free software promoted by a jew who coincidentally is also a commie.
>He doesn't know what scarce means and how it enables trade.
Get a histoty book Tyroone.
>Software is not a product because it's not scarce.
This is a conveniently simple definition, but conventionally things that take a lot of resources to create also took a lot of resources to reproduce. So it's still quite unprecedented.
>Only recently software companies have realized this, that's why subscription models are a thing now.
Sure. To make what you said more precise: the software itself is not scarce, so you need to provide something that is scarce in addition, like social features, hardware, etc.
>the alt-right fuckfest that is tech is killing me
You've been on Sup Forums too much if you're leftwing.
I disagree with you, but that was this thread's funniest post.
Kinda sounds like fedora tippers discussing metal.
>"no it's not melodic black metal"
>"it's avant garde ambient blackened melodic metal"
>a grill with ass burgers
#RARE
That is a common misconception. Libertarian socialism is a system where people are free but choose to work together for the common good. It is obviously unstable as a system of government but that does not preclude its existence as a concept.
> Communism totally works guys!
Why do people keep spouting this bullshit? are millions of innocents dead and multiple countries run into the ground not enough?
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>Communism vs libertarian
The retarded yankee mentality. I wonder what they learn in their schools. They are not the opposite.
If the theory is unfit for a real world application then the theory is flawed.
The problem with communism is that once you get a powerful state it won't dissolve magically as communists think, it will commit mass murder in order to conserve and expand it's influence.
You can't have a free society with state control, they are complete opposite, thus Communism is opposite to Libertarianism.
If anything open source is democratic. People vote by developing what they want. The more developers, the better supported the project, the greater the likelyhood of it being included in the kernel (or at least having a consistent major release).
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>Is free software socialist?
Yes
What is required to seize the means of production is always authoritarianism, violence, and suppression of speech. Commies always go against freedom of speech.
lol, name one form of government that doesn't depend on some citizens involuntarily contributing their resources to it. Anarchy doesn't count.
>freedom of speech
meaningless
Says the commie faggot on a chinese cartoon image board that has more freedom of speech than most places on the net.
>no oppression of some by others
lel
only if your a faggot. FOSS life.
True Communism is in effect libertarian (or more properly anarchist, libermemeians are just anarchists who don't want people to assume they're radical leftists). A lot of people assume Communism is all about a big powerful state controlling everything, because in practice that's where all "Communist" states end up. But the original Marxist idea was for a stateless society, with the dictatorship of the proletariat only being temporary.
me
Of course its communism
>libermemeians are just anarchists who don't want people to assume they're radical leftists
You don't even know what you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.
>because in practice that's where all "Communist" states end up. But the original Marxist idea was for a stateless society, with the dictatorship of the proletariat only being temporary.
>muh communism has never been tried meme
That's LITERALLY what gratis means, retard.
>he thinks linux is an OS
If Nvidia is a Linux partner, they do a shit job at it
Did you expect me to list every fucking linux distro in existence?
gpl is communism.
Everything is free, but you are forced to keep it that way.
Also there is no ads like in soviet russia.
>Isn't it ironic that the proprietary software developers call us communists? We are the ones who have provided for a free market, where they allow only monopoly. … if the users chooses this proprietary software package, he then falls into this monopoly for support … the only way to escape from monopoly is to escape from proprietary software, and that is what the free software movement is all about. We want you to escape and our work is to help you escape. We hope you will escape to the free world.
- RMS
GPL 3 is software communism. Lucky for you the Linux kernel and much software for Linux doesn't use it.
Government does not create/ control Linux, therefore, the government does not have control of the means of production.
Therefore, not socialism