Is university necessary to earn a decent salary in programming/IT?

Is university necessary to earn a decent salary in programming/IT?

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No, but it doesn't hurt if you can.

Yes. You'll never get into high paying companies like Facebook or Microsoft without one. You might get lucky on a 0.01% chance of getting into a meme startup that takes off, but other than that you'll be earning Pajeet tier salary that maxes at around 100k.

fuck no. if you have a lot of self motivation it can actually hinder you.

>Facebook or Microsoft
>Not Pajeet
Once Hillary is in office she and Paul Ryan are going to ensure all those jobs are performed by H1B Pajeets. As it stands they're already 50% Pajeet. Hope you are willing to work for curry.

Pajeet doesn't know how to calculate the backpropagation of a neural network layer. I'm not worried about being replaced.

oh god that picture is making my cancer flare up

really there is no way you're improving that code desu

it's easier to become project manager and then boss shity Sup Forums programmers around

>My meme job won't be taken
Yes, yes it will. Tech companies have shown over the last two decades that they are more than willing to sacrifice competency to cut costs.

Facebook pays their H1Bs a median salary of 135k. They aren't going to bring Pajeet from India and pay him 135k plus another 100k in stock a year to code Java CRUD applications.

Why is it that 80% of these meme pictures are always about not knowing what modulo is?

it gives you a huge carrier kickstart

know so many faggot, that started as low level CS-wannabe-faggot, and ended as project managers, he might not the smartest, yet, he earns the most

What do people even do with more than 100k a year?

because it's the least intuitive operator in basic programming?

>Facebook pays their H1Bs a median salary of 135k.
Fortunately when there is no more H1B limit, that number is going to drop like a rock.

Pay a lot of taxes, travel, and preen about how important it is to address the needs of transvestite celebrities instead of poor people in their own neighborhoods.

Is it that hard?

Society could sneak it in along with +, -, *, / in elementary education, and I'm sure it'd be fine.

I live in europe, average person makes 3500 usd a year.
I live on roughly 2500 a year

Honestly, I have no idea what people do with that much money :(

Most classmates went abroad, earning 15k a year, doing shit jobs, wasting all on booze and drugs

No, I got £35k after my first programming job which lasted 5 months just by being good. Meanwhile my uni friends who didn't drop out can barely get in

I guess if you are married, have kid(s) and 2 cars, and live in a house and have to pay to fix plenty of siht in your house, you can use 100,000k.

My uni friends make $200k usd right after they graduated.

It's called saving you consumerist.

My parents and sister make 400k a year combined and we dont know what to do with it

Invest in real estate? Pay some Pajeets to make a video game for you? Hire a translator to localize some VNs? Pay an artist to draw your manga/comic ideas? Be creative.

Fuck no. I'm making over $150k a year and I flunked out twice from boredom.

I've worked with people who have degrees who are amazing, but their degrees aren't in software. Take for instance this guy: youtube.com/watch?v=5HRgfxDtaPI

Unrelated; this is a good watch so far. Thank you for posting (I mean it).

>Is university necessary
No! Knowledge is necessary!

Give me $10

The real crime is the shitty formatting of that code.

they did... it was the day in class they taught you how to divide they also explained remainders.

No. If you can, then you probably should, but if you can't afford university, just start building applications to prove that you can code. A cheap 2-year degree + a portfolio/blog worked for me.

pleb

I skipped uni, am currently 2 years into my career and earning £27k. It was a struggle to get taken seriously at first but as long as you actually know what you're talking about you'll be fine.

I have a PhD

I want to kill myself everyday

These two statements aren't necessarily related

Why the fuck does programming pay that much?
Is it actually hard?
Like what the fuck is so important that you get $100K

wat?
It's not like programming is this magic job, it's just a tool.
If I use a screwdriver to build something extremely useful, then fuck yes do I deserve $100k.
Similarly, if I write a program that can design the optimal antenna for a NASA mission, I also deserve a nice salary.

Why do we compensate our tools that much then, if theyre just problem solving.

Maybe I should switch careers.

If sucking corporate schlong or taking orders from and enriching fools is normal for you, then you're virtually hired!

>""""""""""""just"""""""""""" problem solving
Being good at problem solving is literally the most valuable skill you can have.

Entirely depends on experience. If you have good experience, no. If you've never held a job in the field before, yes

hey, who wants to start a tech company?

I'll think of some names and one of you can get started on a logo

facechan
bump your face to the top

thnkr
walks user through the process of thinking about something

I am good at that, thats why I should switch.

I dont think its necessary to get your foot in the door. But i imagine it's more so like how an ugly chick lives life. Will they find love? Very likely, but will they be working harder to get it? Absolutely.

You could print the "Your number is " part before the comparison. That way the comparison only has to print "even" or "odd"
Should save you a little hard drive space.

Suck a bag of dicks, summerfag!

sliding into a 100k + equity job in australia this year, no uni degree

it can happen, but you need to network network network, be good at what you do and don't be an asshole

posting bacon because idk what fits this

i spend a lot on my codeine because im addicted, apartment, huge aws bills, and escorts

then i go in to the startup i work at and be the loveable CTO everyone likes, kek

It's difficult to prove to someone that you know just as much as someone with a degree so need to make a name for yourself by contributing to important opensource projects. Then people may take you seriously.

What kind of jobs pay upwards of 100k?
Interning right now and I don't know what I should apply for. My concentration is in system architecture.

This is the worst place to learn programming.

In the Bay Area? Pay rent and live like someone who makes 40k anywhere else in the country.

You either spelled Botsuana or month wrong.

no, fuck no, save you money.

>a decent salary in programming/IT?
a miracle is necessary to earn a decent salary in those shit saturated meme fields

Is it really that bad? I've realized that actually most of those jobs are shit, where's the money at then? Why do people keep saying there is a mad cash in software/web dev?

>Why do people keep saying there is a mad cash in software/web dev?
If there is so much mad cash you should clearly be able to see that reflect in the average salary of a CS/SE/IT grad

the numbers speak for themselves

No, but be prepared to show experience and a portfolio of work that proves you know what you're doing. Nobody is going to hire you on good faith alone.

Imagine the kind of place you want to work.
Imagine who runs that kind of place.

Do you think that person took a degree?
Do you think that walking in there and telling people that you don't give a fuck about the profession enough to get a degree is the right move to get a job there?

In the 70's nobody had a degree and they did okay. But nobody had a degree back then.
Everyone thought that programming would be obsolete within a few years because it was so easy and you could build on other peoples code.
Things are different now, so get a degree.

yup... that's the problem

Which problems have you solved most recently?

A lot of college students don't realize the power of modulo

>guy in cs class asks me to review his code
>assignment is to implement alphabet wrapping for cipher
>he shows me triple for loop magic
>I show him one line solution using %
>he drops out next week

Just finished Portal 2.

Shit nigga

Yes.

Being good at your trade is for the birds. The truth is they can always find some pushover to work long hours and get their project done as people like that are a dime a dozen. Project management is where you make good money, and you'll never get their without a Bachelors. Even then, you really need a Masters to even get looked at for management in some companies.


>Sys Admin at a large company, finishing up my Bachelors ATM.

No.
Just "scam" normies

So Sup Forums would you rather:

MS in Comp Sci, with a focus on
>machine learning/algorithms
>data centers
>software engineering
>bioinformatics
>networks
>security

Or a Masters in Software Engineering.

From what I hear a PhD is overkill for CS generally speaking, not worth the extra work over a masters

>Masters in any IT field
u pullin me leg ther? lmao

>IT

>IT
>CS
Different, though related, things. IT pays less, generally.

I said IT field you melts, if you want to be pedantic: tech field

Depends on a language. Here in my shithole everything is called IT.

CS is not an 'IT field'

I just said tech field you dumbfuck

...

>go to university
>pay thousand in murridollars
>get masters degree in 'IT'
>now know how to install printers and do network wiring
>finally reached true pajeet level

I have A degree, but not a degree in programming. I earn under 100k. I think it helped me, but showing off projects helped more. At more senior interviews, no one asks about education. Start off with technical questions and independent projects right away.

>degree in programming
Is this actually something people study and get a degree in?

I never used modulo irl. Not once. Or abstract classes.

Or linux.

Or binary (came up at interview the other day). I used hex once, to shorted item ids.

Believe it or not, it doesn't mean that you literally only have classes in Java and other programming languages.

"Computer science" that leans either toward hardware (mix of EE and understanding operating systems / low level memory shit or toward knowing a lot of syntax and patterns). At least in the US.

I am:

I feel like having a CS programming degree would make interviewing easier. I know shit about networking, for example.

it pretty much is

if you have chad personality you don't need a degree in anything

tired of this meme. yes it fucking is
t. comp sci major

>mix of EE and understanding operating systems / low level memory shit or toward knowing a lot of syntax and patterns
That's like the basics you learn in the first 2 semesters in CS. After that it's like 80% math.
You're getting a degree in CS specifically so you don't end up as a code monkey.

IT is a CS field. Not the otherway around.

>Pajeet doesn't know how to calculate the backpropagation of a neural network layer.

I work with a few Pajeets. They're trash.
They copy/paste code from Stack Overflow and wonder why it doesn't work.
"You have to change the variable names from what you copied, Pajeet."
ffs

It makes it easy. I'm making 100k out of college which is nice.

Not really, but it can make things easier. It also doesn't fucking matter to some people what you studied. I went to school for biology and landed a $65k per year support job based on the fact that I had a degree and liked fucking around with virtualization on my home server. They're also paying for the certs they want me to have.

From watching friends looking for jobs, not having a degree seems to get you weeded out immediately by lazy or high throughput hiring departments regardless of skills. Not fair, but what I've seen.

Google/Facebook/Amazon/Microsoft.

Kek,
Tard here, is it possible to be one with minimal tech experience but good at being a project manager?

Machine learning or security.

I hear SE focus is under the most demand, with networking/security paying the worse. Data management under high demand also. Machine learning seems the coolest though.

There's some strange comments here. If you can get a degree, you should, for a couple reasons.

For starters, you're in a unique position. I'm not talking about the "university is for discovering yourself" meme. I'm talking about the basic living situation you're in while going to school. You're not working, and you have the perfect excuse not to be working. You get to focus entirely on advancing your knowledge. Once you enter the workforce, you're going to be stuck in a routine, you're going to have real deadlines, your time is much more regimented, your days are much more repetitive. Frankly, school is much more enjoyable, simply because you have more variation in your life, lower expectations, and more freedom in general. Take advantage.

The second reason is having a degree will open a lot of doors. This sounds like a university talking point but it's true. There's a lot of companies that aren't interested in hiring people without degrees. There's a lot of companies that are going to exclude you from higher pay because you don't have a degree. It's something you invest four years in that results in a lifetime of benefits. All the economic studies indicate as such.

Having a degree makes getting your first job easier. Again, most companies have zero interest in hiring a junior developer who doesn't have a degree and thinks having a Github is a valid substitution. If you don't believe me: go to Indeed or Dice right now, search "Junior Developer", and look at the requirements. If you can find a single position in your area that hires junior devs without a degree, guess what: they pay shit.

People will say higher education has become too expensive and they have a point. Do what I did: go to a community college first, then transfer to a State school. You will reduce the cost by half, easily, and you have the exact same degree at the end.

Just becareful what you want to transfer WILL be transfered. Sometimes they wont give credit for certain things.

Absolutely. Study the fuck out of the transfer agreements. Know exactly which classes will transfer and which won't. Know exactly how far you will be towards your bachelors degree after you transfer. Don't rely on other people. You have to own your education, you have to demonstrate that you are personally responsible for yourself. Investing a few hours in research can save you thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours.

After I transferred, I was a junior at the State university, taking junior-level classes, with about 60 credits under my belt. And because I studied hard at the community college, I found the university classes to be perfectly within grasp. I aced most of them. I finished with the exact same bachelor's degree as everyone else two years later, but I paid far, far less for it.

The degree hooked me my first job, with practically zero effort. Go to a school with a reputation for a strong CS department. I was hired by a programmer with a CS degree from my school. With a strong starting salary and full benefits. Everything falls into place if you play your cards right.

The people telling you to skip school are basically asking you to take a shortcut and hope everything works out in the long run. Why would you assume that risk unnecessarily? Especially when, it is as I said, your time in school is a rare opportunity with more free time and relatively little in the way of expectations from others. You will probably never have that much freedom again until you retire. That's just the reality of being employed. People depend on you.

How did they get hired in the first place?

>If you can find a single position in your area that hires junior devs without a degree, guess what: they pay shit.

What's the expected salary for a junior developer?

120k if you have a degree
30k if you don't