BBC to deploy detection vans to snoop on internet users who watch TV online

>The BBC is to spy on internet users in their homes by deploying a new generation of Wi-Fi detection vans to identify those illicitly watching its programmes online.

>The corporation has been given legal dispensation to use the new technology, which is typically only available to crime-fighting agencies, to enforce the new requirement that people watching BBC programmes via the iPlayer must have a TV licence.

>"Detection vans can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set"Sir Amyas Morse, National Audit Office

>The disclosure will lead to fears about invasion of privacy and follows years of concern over the heavy-handed approach of the BBC towards those suspected of not paying the licence fee. However, the BBC insists that its inspectors will not be able to spy on other internet browsing habits of viewers.

>The existence of the new strategy emerged in a report carried out by the National Audit Office (NAO).

>It shows that TV Licensing, the corporation’s licence-fee collection arm, has developed techniques to track those watching television on laptops, tablets, and mobile phones.

>The disclosure of the controversial new snooping technique will lay to rest the persistent claims that detector vans are no more than an urban myth designed to intimidate the public into paying the licence fee.

>Currently, anyone who watches or records live programming – online or on television – needs to buy a £145.50 licence. But from September 1, those who use the iPlayer only for catch-up viewing will also need to pay the fee, after the BBC successfully lobbied the Government to change the law.

>Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, the corporation is entitled to carry out surveillance of suspected licence-fee dodgers.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-deploy-detection-vans-to-snoop-on-internet-users/

Why does the UK willingly submit to this?

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> BBC successfully lobbied the Government

So long as I continue to torrent ill be fine

>anyone who watches or records live programming – online or on television – needs to buy a £145.50 licence. But from September 1, those who use the iPlayer only for catch-up viewing will also need to pay the fee, after the BBC successfully lobbied the Government to change the law.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Taxation without representation?

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>britcucks

The UK became such a fucked up place in last few years, it's amazing.

>stingray vans deployed by the BBC
>mfw

What the actual fuck? They're snooping on private wifi traffic? Beyond being ethically fucked, it's retarded. Why not just have accounts for the iplayer or whatever.

>Why does the UK willingly submit to this?

they've got cameras and mics hanging for every light post

cucked population. not only do they submit, they'll defend it

how does the technology even work?
Are they just cracking every wifi network?

The BBC needs to die. They have become a fucking joke.
Also Brits are a bunch of spineless cucks . They might be worse than Swedes at this point.

Excuse my ignorance, but if my WiFi is secure then how will the vans see anything?

>1,000 cuck money fine plus a criminal record
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

More of a Sup Forums response here, but ffs paying??? Britain go full socialist and leave that gd royal richass bs in a museum. No more fing materialism. They've become like salivating toddlers in front of money again and it's beneath their decorum.

>TV detection van meme
They pulled this shit years ago. It was a lie, their 'vans' did nothing.

>However, the BBC insists that its inspectors will not be able to spy on other internet browsing habits of viewers.
So they can see my traffic, but they can't see my traffic? I don't understand.

> OK, Google, what's the passwords for the wifi networks I should be seeing at this geolocation?

"can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set" - it is an always has been literally a bloke looking through your window.

How much money are people wasting to stop piracy? Presumably more than they're actually losing from it, right?

>Presumably more than they're actually losing from it, right?
Definitely. Especially since the amount of money lost from piracy is exactly 0 units of currency.

lol, this must be it
there's no way they'd be cracking everyone's wifi

UK just fucking sucks

too stupid for euro
too stupid for EU
too stupid for no surveillance camspam on the streets
too stupid for speeding cams that actually work (they have signs announcing these cams, lmao whats the point of that?)
too stupid for unregulated internet
too stupid for having joboffers for buttmad youth
too stupid for having straight teeth
too stupid for having a democratic (monarchy? are you kidding me?)
too stupid for not having terroristic attacks
too stupid for continuing top gear

there's more, but I think that's enough already too point out how stupid the monkey island is.

>reading the torygraph
>believing the torygraph

You underestimate how many normalfags leave their network unencrypted for the sake of convenience

>Use ethernet
What now BBCucks?

So just don't watch the fucking BBC.

>mfw I don't have a license
>mfw I don't use wifi for internet access
>mfw I live in a flat with a communal hallway
>mfw they can't tell I am watching TV
>mfw a letter drops through the door every couple of months I use it as free toilet paper
Come at me bra!

youtube.com/watch?v=4QnFwLqCQ24

>BBC
>big black cock

This is complete bullshit scare tactics. It's impossible to do and costly to do even if it was. Basically BBC license fee is enforced as a 'criminal' offence by a company called CAPITA. They hold a database of every address in the country that currently does not hold a TV license. All they do is send out letters and the occasional goon to check on a property and challenge you at the door as to whether you have a TV. If they can see your TV through a window or peeping through a letter box they can take you to court. Otherwise the onus is on them to prove it. If you are using a TV for viewing pre recorded material and non-live/almost non-live material you do not need a license. TV detector vans are fake and empty and are parked near retail parks and housing estates as a scare tactic. Every time this comes up it is proven as false and just another scare tactic.

Fuck the BBC!

Britain has nothing on Germany. Here they decided they don't need any of that drama so now everyone has to pay the TV fee, even if they live in a cabin with no electronics at all.

>Come at me bra!
As a northerner, I shall oblige.

It's called Republicanism, dumb fuck. Plus the Royal family brings in more money from tourism than they use.

That's horrendous.

Stop right there. I'm gonna need to see a reliable unbiased citation for that particular load of bullshit.

It's a scare tactic. The old tv detection vans consisted of a ford transit with a bit of wire poked through the roof and nothing more. The 'texhnology' was actually the BBC database of purchased licenses and a copy of the phonebook. Any addresses in the phonebook that were NOT in the database got a knock on the door, all on the basis that 99% of homes would actually have a tv, license or not.

This is exactly the same technique but they have added a motor to make the bit of wire turn so it's more futuristic.

wtf I love network cables now

Television detection has always been fake. They do it to scare pensioners.

The way it has worked historically is having a list of people who have a licence and assuming that those who don't are supposed to.

This is coming from a country that had (has?) a tax on the number of windows your house has. Is anyone actually shocked?

wifi cucks absolutely blown the fuck out

The whole system is so incredibly ridiculous. So they don't want people who don't pay the fee to watch their programs online. Jesus, that seems like an unsolvable problem??? Like, you would need to give those people accounts with passwords, insane idea!

Typical everyday average British morning:
>wake up
>bobby knocks on door
>"oi! Open up you cheeky bastard and show me your sleeping license"
>fumble around and finally find my license
>"s-sorry good sir. It's right here...God save the Queen."
>bobby peers in and catches a glimpse of me tele
>"halt! Where's your TV license you cunt?!"
>draw TV license from me wallet
>bobby gives a look like the bloody Queen's dodger
>"oi mate! Where's your license for this license?"
>show him my license license
>"this license license is invalid. I'm taking you in!"
>bobby draws his toy gun
>stab him with my unregistered butterknife
>mfw I should've voted UKIP

>a tax on the number of windows your house has
what

so dns/vpn fags outside of the UK will be fine?

It was eventually abolished on 'health grounds'. kek

parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/towncountry/towns/tyne-and-wear-case-study/about-the-group/housing/window-tax/

>Wi-Fi detection
This is retarded and impossible, it is essentially impossible to pick up anything if you use HTTPS and your WiFi is encrypted.

Just connect and ethernet cable it's cheaper and it's bullshit anyhow.

good thing encryption is a thing right?

They can pick up the traffic, not log in to the router.
Fuck off from Sup Forums btw

REEEEE

Stupid UK cuckbois you better fight against this because your stupid culture spills all over other countries

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You do know it's encrypted pretty much by default everywhere, right?

well, they dont need the content. they just need the metadata (that you are getting traffic from iplayer)

so BBC pushed BREXIT..

I would hope so, but this is Yurpoe

TV detector vans have been debunked several times. There are probably around 5 in the entire country and they just park outside public areas as a deterrent. They do not work anymore. Nobody has ever been prosecuted on the basis of a detector van 'detecting' jack shit.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2445153/Are-TV-detector-vans-just-cunning-trick-For-decades-claimed-trap-licence-cheats-In-fact-theyve-led-single-prosecution.html

>tfw TV detection vans don't even work
>The government just has a list of what houses have TV licenses and what ones don't and decide to randomly search you if you don't have one because you're either a weirdo or illegally have TV
>Despite this, a majority of brits think vans driving around magically have the ability to detect if you have a TV in your house
>UK is literally a police state ruled by fear and intimidation

>be britbong
>use the fast-forward on my DVR
>hear someone knocking on the door
>see Abdul and Muamba at the front door
>oi cunt you have any idea how fast you were watchin telly
>have my TV License revoked
>go to jail
>mfw I have no face

it is quite difficult to buy a new tv without giving them your address

>>oi cunt you have any idea how fast you were watchin telly
ha

Yeah they said this in the analogue days m8.
Never happened.

>Being in europe would prevent shit like this.

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If we imagine this was acutally real, how would they pinpoint Wi-Fi connection to the house?

>If we imagine this was acutally real, how would they pinpoint Wi-Fi connection to the house?
there are apps in android store to that...

I just thought about it, drive up to houses without a licence and snoop that house.

Extremely simple to do.
IP is streaming BBC show.
Drive to house and see if there is wireless traffic, check mac address to see if its a tv.

>only 200 warrants are issued for this shit
>there more than 9million without a license

This is a giant scam that bullies people who do not know their rights.

Didn't you know that Europe and the UK are still signatories of a major copyright convention. Being in Europe is no excuse for copyright infringement.

So what rights do they have exactly?

You have to be able to prove that damages were caused to sue over copyright infringement.

Some teenager watching copyright shows isn't damaging.

Really makes you think

>too stupid for euro
>a garbage currency with 4 debt ridden countries riding on it
Right, we're the stupid ones.

W-what happens if you fail the TV license test? I assume you have your television sets confiscated, but do you get a fined and/or prison time?

I don't think UK copyright law works that way desu.

There's no test to get a license, you have to pay a yearly fee for each household.

I dunno mate, you give a brit a spoon, and next thing you know he will be digging holes... and those holes could turn out to be dangerous weapons. Can't have that sort of thing going on now, can we?

>Biggest empire in world history
>Need to be 18 to buy a spoon
>Get arrested for not smiling

I think krauts are the new cuck queens.

>Americunt here
OK I cannot understand why would anyone need to pay so much a year to see live TV, are there no commercials? No TV streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, etc. that make Live TV obsolete like it did to me?

I don't understand why they would even want to prosecute over something that I want to assume is full of Ads like American television is.

Well, fucking read up on it, do we look like Wikipedia to you, shitstain?

>full of Ads like American television is.

It isn't. American TV is literally unwatchable. There's more ads than programming.

>BBC
>lobbied the government

The BBC IS the government.

There's Netflix here but the online streaming market is too fragmented by exclusives.

It's like I'm on crazy pills

its really not a big deal, they still cant decrypt normal traffic and i guess they would be able to decrypt their own tv traffic since its theirs to begin with they would have the keys. they said they would be looking at the fucking packet lengths and shit which would be interesting to see in practice.

in either case, ethernet renders that shit useless

To note you pay per flat/house you own, not per person. So if you own two summer houses you pay for them too.

145/12=???

I aint British so I do not know I can only surmise from compilation of you tube videos

No it's not. Go read the wikipedia page.

And what happened when you lived inside a glasshouse or a steel glass construction ?

They can't decrypt that either unless you retardedly have an open WiFi connection

Copyright infringement isn't stealing, and it isn't always illegal. They need to prove that you caused damage to the copyright holder.

If it didn't work that way you could walk down the street shouting Micky Mouse and Disney could sue you.

Then you cannot say that they are being scammed. They know full well that the cost of BBC TV is a yearly license and it's simple enough to avoid watching it. Knowing everything about the deal is not a scam.

Yeah, but you can still tell how much data is passing through based on the packet size and rate.
HIGH BANDWIDTH MUST MEAN HE IS WATCHING TV

yeah thats true as well

More than what I pay for Netflix.

It is hard to understand given I have lived abroad an I have never heard of paying a fee for live TV.

Outsiders to British culture really have no idea about the realities of our country, we are very homogenous with our thinking and we can generally smell shit from a mile away, unfortunately other countries don't seem to have the same level of skepticism we do.

TV licensing is a thing im sure some idiots get fined for but no, just because there is a scare tactic written in a taboid of all places (and our entire country knows not to trust the fucking newspapers) doesn't mean there are vans around every street corner, I and no one else I know has ever seen a fucking TV license detection van.

Oh, and plenty of other countries have TV licenses, Japan included and we all know how much you cockgobblers love that island too.

it's not the wifi. they actually use some kind of EMF detector to visually look at what is on your screen. it works through walls.

it's been "spy" technology for a long time now
thefutureofthings.com/5509-reading-your-screen-through-a-wall/

That's not how it works in BBC land. They need to prove that you have received a broadcast in one of your devices in your household. If they do, they impose a fine that's backed by the courts.

Is this feasible?