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I'd probably have to say Ubuntu. With some wrangling I can still get it to work the way I want. They might make some poor design decisions, especially in Unity, but at least they don't make big, important mistakes like serving their .iso over plain HTTP or getting hacked into serving malware.
Joshua Adams
how real is the spyware concerns with ubuntu though is it just a meme or is it real
>at least they don't make big, important mistakes like serving their .iso over plain HTTP or getting hacked into serving malware. They do serve their iso over http,though.
Dominic Ramirez
Not speaking with a lot of confidence here, since I haven't used Ubuntu in 4 or 5 years.
I think there is a real concern if you use Unity, but it's nothing that they're shady/secretive about. All the searches you do in your main menu (which is the way you start applications in Unity) are sent to Amazon, so they can list product suggestions among your app results.
This can be removed through a simple apt-get command, or avoided entirely by not running Unity, which is a good idea for a whole host of other reasons.
Anthony Ortiz
Ubuntufags #btfo
Austin Baker
spyware, shit politics, insecure
friendly advice: just get debian
Eli Fisher
Jesus fuck, forget what I said.
I swear I recalled them being less retarded.
Bentley Thompson
>gun to your head >ubuntu or mint Pull trigger.
Connor Wilson
How is it possible that we get this question every single thread? Why does neo-Sup Forums just repeat everything without understanding it? In the default DE of ubuntu there was a search function, this sent your queries to amazon. It was opt-out instead of opt-in. This was not acceptable and was changed to be opt-in in 16.04. The trust in the community is broken. There is no valid reason to support canonical. But as a new user there are certainly worse things than the non unity *buntus.
Alexander Bell
Pretty amazing how a company who prides themselves on their work with servers, could be this retarded.
The Debian site works over https, and then just drops it when it comes to the actual download. They don't even distribute the checksums over https.
Fucking why?
Gabriel Torres
I agree with you mostly. I've always been slightly torn on the opt-out issue though. I look at it this way, this is Linux and so much is expected to be configured by the user, so any common knowledge things such as this, should be a non-issue. Compare this to ssh on port 22 and you'll get where I'm coming from. It's the default port, but only a retard would leave it set for that port.
Jason Wood
Instructions for downloading an iso-image?
Adam Morales
Instructions where to find and how to verify checksums. Read the article.
Michael Hernandez
Because downloading should be done via torrent.
Adam Gray
No, I believe they mean verifying the integrity of the download.
Lucas Morris
>As so often when it comes to security, Fedora takes the crown, doing everything right. Not sure if shilling or usual bandwagon.
Robert Campbell
Their torrent files are also distributed over HTTP. It's harder to fake a torrent, I guess, but it's still an issue.
If they choose HTTP for iso download for performance reasons, they should at the very least provide the checksums and torrent over HTTPS.
Asher Long
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Isaac Anderson
Is there any package manager that solves versioning well?
I tried to install tribler on Debian Testing the other day (via .deb), which wouldn't work because python-wxgtk2.8 wasn't available (3.0 was). I could fix this by installing it from oldstable, but mixing releases is pretty bad for your system stability.
I'm looking more for a way to solve the greater problem here rather than installing tribler. With pip and virtualenv, I can get an older version of a library when a program needs it, and set it up so that only this program will use the old library.
Isn't there a system-wide package manager that does this, or is it just a bad idea reasons unknown to me?
Charles Thompson
I want to have a mobile operating system for my USB drive. Thinking about usind Debian stable for this purpose. Is the install process the same as installing it on my computer? Are there any pitfalls? Or should I use a live image instead. Sorry if stupid question.
Joshua Roberts
I'm testing kubuntu on my laptop with a live usb. the problem is that, even if I turn reverse scroll on, it will not work within the settings (it works on other apps like firefox) How can I fix this? I can't find much related to this on google
Nolan Gonzalez
Portage can work simultaneously with different versions pretty well. "Install Gentoo" is not just a meme, you know.
Name some of the programs which were written with "GNOME in mind".
Adrian Watson
Does Gentoo provide binaries for packages that really take ass long to compile? I'd actually consider installing Gentoo, but hours long recompiling Firefox for every update...
Problem solved. This isn't a package manager problem. It's a packaging problem and software problem (if it can't use a newer library).
Jose Harris
There are binaries for firefox and libreoffice, which are among the biggest packages that I use. Compiling DE and some graphical libraries would take some time, but not too much: even recompiling firefox is about 30 minutes on my system.
Elijah Hill
Also there's a full binary repository in Sabayon, that is, theoretically, compartible with portage. But Sabayon is unstable piece of shit and I advise against using it.
Henry Martinez
So can I just keep my same ol' NTFS partition I was using in Windows in Linux? I don't mean for installation related things, just for things like a file storage. I'm dual booting, so I don't want it to have a permission freakout or whatever. I don't have the space (also read: patience) to give each OS it's own little storage partition when I'm going to be spending time in both anyways.
James Robinson
Are any of those $200 Chromebooks good for running Arch Linux on? I have an old Macbook now and whenever I've tried using Linux on it the battery life goes to shit, probably because of bad drivers.
Adam Parker
Linux works with NTFS just fine, but you would need to stop using hibernation in Windows.
Josiah Ramirez
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Nicholas Brown
>30 minutes Unacceptable.
Cooper Morris
>sibling has to switch back to windows >moving their files to windows from a backup >getting weird errors, some file cannot be copied >stumped why >after some time realize it's because they had some files named "
Eli Miller
I compile it from sources because I'm an autist. And what's the problem, anyway? You can shitpost while something is compiling just fine, it's a background process.
Nicholas Wood
Reminder we have two threads on /t/ - Torrents
Training videos for GNU/Linux (torrents) Ported videogames (torrents) We need a thread on /vg/ for gaymers because year of the GNU/Linux desktop motherfuckers, here is the pasta pastebin.com/7Xzi8e2H
By packaging you mean compiling from source and putting it into a package? That's feasible, but a lot of effort considering I'll need a ton of libraries that all need to be built in their own special way.
This... actually looks really, really good. I reckon I'll read up and take it for a spin. Thanks user!
Ethan Stewart
>And what's the problem, anyway? Firefox updates weekly lately. That's 2 hours a month dedicated to maintaining a browser on my system. Unacceptable.
>That's feasible, but a lot of effort considering I'll need a ton of libraries that all need to be built in their own special way. No, you only need to build/package wxgtk2.8 and tribler yourself (assuming it can work with the newer versions of the other dependencies).
If you find creating 2 simple packages yourself hard, I seriously doubt you'll find using Guix easier.
Either that or wait for someone to create a Snap/Flatpack for tribler.
Camden Morales
Stop shilling your stupid threads on /t/
Joshua Johnson
>Firefox updates weekly switch to ESR
David White
Is stock Ubuntu a secure operating system? Between the amazon issue and the knowing that the firewall isn't enabled by default, I'm a little uneasy. On top of that, they don't even include the graphical frontend for the firewall - what the fuck?
I need something stable, and secure. Should I go stock Ubuntu or Ubuntu with Gnome? I want compatibility as well. Please respond.
Jeremiah Perez
ubuntu is fine. ufw is simple. Are you sure you even need a firewall?
Kevin Richardson
You can still get hours-long compile times, but then you're probably trying to compile on an arm architecture natively.
Aaron Perez
What do you need a firewall for?
Henry Torres
To be honest I am a noob and don't know if I even need one - I am going to be traveling soon, that means connecting to public wifi.
I need a good OS that can last me for pretty much ever, and the only distro I have experience with is Ubuntu. Time to install, thank the (you)
Hunter Richardson
Funny to see someone coming from Windows complaining about privacy issues and a lack of specific program pre-installed.
Do you want there to be a distribution for every specific software combination out there? If you need Gufw you install it. If you need something else, you install it.
>stable and secure Those are buzzwords and you don't even know what you want, except for parroting some buzzwords and then enjoying your ultra-vague placebo after going with the first best recommendation (if you install it at all, you could be a hit-and-run question asker).
Adam Bailey
Just install gufw if you need a gui but ufw itself is easy to use.
Aiden Stewart
>Worrying about the security of Ubuntu >Connecting to public wifis
Logan Miller
ubuntu, since i'm using it right now :^)
Luke Perry
What alternative is there? Have you never left the country?
Hunter Morris
lots of pro-redhat bias in write ups, just a thing to be aware of.
Carson Bell
I could tell you one but you wouldn't like it
Colton Morgan
So I'm having a bit of problems installing a broadcom driver. I have an ASUS PCE-AC68. It uses the Broadcom chipset BCM4360. I'm in the process of installing debian, but I don't know if I should just do the install and give no attention to the network config until after I've set up Debian, or what. I'd prefer to just nip this in the butt now, since I have my laptop running arch I figured I could do anything I needed and just transfer what I need to there.
wiki.debian.org/wlh indicates I need the dkms package, but it seems I need to do the loading myself. Should I just go ahead and install debian without network settings, and then do this? Or is there a way I could jimmy rig this in order to work?
It's weird that the firmware it says it is missing seems to be realtek related.
Samuel Morales
just for the record, the firmware debian says is missing is rtl_nic/rt18168e-3.fw
Jonathan Collins
>nip this in the butt lel
You can do it afterwards, might be easier.
Brandon Lopez
>tfw know it's bud but can't stop saying butt
Alright, that's what I'm doing.
And honestly it turns out my old wired connection still works at my parents so that just made me life 10 x easier.
Aaron Price
I am genuinely interested, what would the alternative be?
Phone tethering? I cannot do that as in a foreign country I will have no service.
Carson Diaz
Does an arch Linux OpenRC iso exis, like Arch Bang.
Benjamin Morgan
>can't stop saying butt Got butt on the brain, user?
Blake Green
Anyone using LXQT?
Jordan Gonzalez
I find debian a right pain in arse for firmware, none of the suggestions the wiki makes for installing during the install work for me.
Luke Lee
I can think of evince and nautilus of the top of my head. It's annoying when they force their own UI on you rather than deferring to your DE theme.
Luis Young
Don't connect to the internet at all
Jackson Morgan
Evince and Nautilus don't force their own "DE theme" on you. They're GTK programs, so they use the GTK theme you've set.
Benjamin Smith
Everyone's being specifically bully towards you for no reason.
Short answer is i wouldn't expect there to be any back doors in Ubuntu so you're fine.
Longer answer - if you're super worried, don't use Ubuntu. Debian has all of the benefits of Ubuntu but it puts it on terms of the user. Of course that means you need to take some time to tweak it, but on a laptop drivers shouldn't be much of an issue. You'll just be adding repos you need, and configuring things as you see fit. (Sudo, for example).
If you're not comfortable with debian, don't think you're in some worthless place going with an ubuntu flavor. (Might I recommend Xubuntu or Ubuntu MATE?) Ubuntu flavors are still plenty secure. And ubuntu is the only one with that real overarching problem of botnet.
If you really wanna dive into this shit, you start going more into the territory of Fedora, Arch, Gentoo, and next thing you know you are sucking Linus's cock in the backalley for freedoms.
I'm really memeing with that last part, but the point I'm illustrating here is that if you don't know the answer to some of these questions, you aren't ready for big boy OS's. Debian might be pushing it. So pick an ubuntu flavor, go with it, and you'll find it'll be fine.
As somebody who fucking hates doing things without a safety net, you learn a lot more by just jumping in than pissing about. (Hence why I went with arch on my x220)
${font sans-serif:bold:size=7}TOP PROCESSES ${hr 1} $font${top name 1}${alignr}${top mem 1} %${top pid 1} $font${top name 2}${alignr}${top mem 2} %${top pid 2} $font${top name 3}${alignr}${top mem 3} %${top pid 3} $font${top name 4}${alignr}${top mem 4} %${top pid 4} $font${top name 5}${alignr}${top mem 5} %${top pid 5} $font${top name 6}${alignr}${top mem 6} %${top pid 6} $font${top name 7}${alignr}${top mem 7} %${top pid 7} $font${top name 8}${alignr}${top mem 8} %${top pid 8} $font${top name 9}${alignr}${top mem 9} %${top pid 9}
but when i run conky in the terminal, it throws an error
conky: Syntax error (/home/user/.conkyrc:1: '=' expected near 'yes') while reading config file. conky: Assuming it's in old syntax and attempting conversion. conky: Invalid value 'desktop,normal' for setting 'own_window_type'. Valid values are: 'normal', 'dock', 'panel', 'desktop', 'override'. conky: desktop window (1200003) is subwindow of root window (4b8) conky: window type - normal conky: drawing to created window (0x3a00002) conky: drawing to double buffer conky: forked to background, pid is 4863
what do?
Anthony Nelson
Your config appears to be in the wrong format. Did you download that config or create it yourself?
Jeremiah Miller
>Invalid value 'desktop,normal' for setting 'own_window_type'. Valid values are: 'normal', 'dock', 'panel', 'desktop', 'override'.
Can you read?
Matthew Nguyen
its a config from my old computer, that i use in my new computer conky version of my old computer: 1.8.1
conky version of my new computer: 1.10.1
Lucas Johnson
>what do? Read.
Robert Taylor
I love the butts, my friend.
Well I'm sure I'll find out soon. Arch was pretty easy to install on my laptop, but I went with debian for stability reasons. Won't be much of a point though if I can't even get the drivers going eh?
Jeremiah Robinson
my conky worked on my old computer without errors
Samuel Ramirez
Friendly suggestion: Just drop conky. Simple reason: You never look at your desktop.
Get a nice. minimal bar/panel instead.
Nicholas Powell
Right, so the config format changed. Read the man page and fix it.
Carson Green
I'm actually down with this idea. If nobody else is going to, I will start it.
Thomas Edwards
i do actually.
when i want to see what process is the computer is using the most , i look at conky
Asher Sanders
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Ian Morris
>year of the GNU/Linux desktop Considering that GNU/Linux distributions don't track their users, who says that so called year didn't already happen years ago?
Michael Martin
you were right, I don't like that. :^(
When I traveled earlier this year I went over a whole month without logging into my email (gmail), bank account, ebay/paypal. I am doing my first 2 years of college online before transferring to a real uni. I have connected to my student email/account on public wifi before though, had to. I guess I'll just keep doing that then.
Thank you for a real reply. My reasons are listed above. I don't do any gaming emulating N64, GBA, and PCSX2, I gave up steam after deciding to switch to Linux and leaving online gaming because it was taking too much of my time away. I am on Lubuntu and am having a few minor issues (screen tearing, laptop lid closing doesn't lock screen or put into sleep even after changing settings), but all I find is support for stock ubuntu or old posts from 2012 and below.
Last time I used Linux was in 2012 and both Fedora and Ubuntu had poor support for my shit laptop, but I was a high school junior at the time and I didn't know anything at all, had just found Sup Forums. I've learned much since then but only recently decided to switch, with direction that Microsoft took on Win10. Thing is I am still a noob, so don't know whether to decide on Ubuntu, Fedora, or Debian. I had issues with gpu drivers on Debian (amd) but I am on a T430 now so that shouldn't matter.bI've heard Fedora is one of the best to use but I don't know whether to trust it as some of its contributors are 3 letters (SElinux). I want to use Ubuntu, but the Amazon and disabled firewall piss me off quite a bit, I am trying to get away from this kind of behavior. I also ran some command that purged web apps/amazon and it made Unity have functionality problems.
What should a noobie do? I have simple needs, I want to play emulators, use libreoffice, and browse the web.
David Walker
What are you having trouble with? Download the stable netinstall iso that comes with nonfree parts (cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.5.0 nonfree/), boot into it, and if it doesn't have the correct drivers, it'll give you the exact name for what you need. Google the name(s) and they should appear in here (debian.org/distrib/packages) somewhere. Put the corresponding .deb files in the root of a separate USB, plug that in during the netinstall, and it should automatically detect and use the firmware. Now you should have a functional display, wifi, keyboard, etc.
Admittedly it is a bit of extra work that you don't have to do in most other distros, but it's probably because Debian is very freedom-oriented and somewhat minimal.
John Evans
I know what the procedure is, it doesn't work. The drivers I need are not included or not recognized in the non free installer and the USB method fails (nothing happens at all).
Kayden Thomas
True; the studies determining market share are primarily done by website tracking (unreliable since a lot of GNU/Linux users spoof their agents, as well as Microsoft fuckery).
I can't remember where I read this, but a few years ago someone placed an estimate closer to about 10%.
Ethan Fisher
What's the best Desktop Environment for Linux and why is it KDE?
Levi Flores
Your bait is so boring, I've been falling asleep while posting.
Cooper Adams
> the process for baloosearch died unexpectedly
What does it mean by this?
Jacob Hill
baloosearch process crashed
Connor Perry
>Arch, Instructions >None
Nigga, every issue I have on Ubuntu the first result is always an Arch wiki tutorial on the subject.
He meant instructions on how to verify the downloaded installer.
Gabriel Smith
So what repos do I need in Debian for a truly complete Linux experience? It seems more focused on freedoms than arch does, so I'm missing things like Firefox. A quick search though doesn't really seem to contribute a decent and up to date list.
Michael Gomez
All I can think of is trying a different USB device or a different USB port for the firmware to be detected.
What files did you download, and are they in the root of the drive?
