I am 23 years old. Worked at a low-grade tech services startup for 8 months. Learned php and js based frameworks. Left that job, and freelanced on small projects or 6-7 months. Joined another tech-services company with mostly foreign clients ( big money ), worked there for 4 months on Yii framework. Realized that there's nothing more to learn there. A few minutes ago, I resigned. I realized that it is hard for me to work for someone else who will make money from hard work practically doing nothing. 3 things that are going on in my mind right now - Building a product, Finding another 'interesting' job, learning about the stock market. ( I would like to pursue all of the three ) I also want to bet a lot of time on Erlang and Elixir. Other situations are - 1. Parents, friends, best friends, girlfriend don't want me to leave the job. 2. Nobody knows that I resigned except my little brother. They are expecting me to leave for office in some time. 3. I quit abruptly just a day before delivering first phase of the project.
Overall, I want this to be a turning point, where I stop compromising following my own thoughts just for the sake of not making others feel bad, and start doing what I feel is right, and learn from it.
I mailed my resignation minutes ago. What could I do next ?
Bump
>I resigned before having something solid to go to after resigning
Not smart.
>I quit abruptly just a day before delivering first phase of the project.
Not professional.
Cool blog
>I quit abruptly just a day before delivering first phase of the project
Why? What if you want another job and they want past employer references?
> Building a product
> Finding an interesting job
> Learning niche languages
This has to be a troll. Nobody would do something so short sighted.
I think the issue is that OP didn't have phase 1 ready, and quit to save face instead of being discovered as a time wasting cunt that was getting payed for nothing.
>quits right before delivering phase 1
>not just as much of a time wasting cunt
You have a lot of maturing to do.
First, you leave jobs way too fast, on a resume when you are looking for a steady job in the future, this will look bad. Second, you quit without having a job lined up. Third you quit the day before your project was do.
As it is I would be surprised you'll ever acquire any good references.
This industry is all about people you know. I got the last 3 jobs I have via acquaintances/former colleagues, I just got laid off (already found a new job btw) and the CFO and CIO of my former company were great references for me.
Stop burning bridges you retard.
Go back and apologize profusely to everyone involved.
Also typo for due.
I was about to jab you for that
Up your dosage; you're going to need it.
what did he mean by this?
I bet you read some dumbass blog that told you to not stay in one place for too long.
>too long=/=less than a year
Youre probably that dumb kid who writes shit code and can't take criticism.
Did you get slighted in your recent job? Maybe go back to being a neet
Yeah this kid is stupid. Here in silicon valley I'd say about 3 years is about as long as you should stay if you aren't getting promotions or the chance to learn something new.
>"hey user don't forget phase 1 of the project is due for tomorrow!"
>"y-you too"
>next day
>"YEAH FUCK YOU AND YOUR SHITTY PROJECT I QUIT I LEARNED EVERYTHING THERE IS TO LEARN I AM TOO GOOD FOR YOUR SHITTY PROJECT"
>fast forward a year
>still unemployed
>I bet you read some dumbass blog that told you to not stay in one place for too long.
This is generally good advice. But not always. If the company you are at helps you improve your knowledge and skills, stay. If the pay and the pay increase/bonuses are good, stay. Change jobs when it helps you improve, either professionally or financially. Do not just change for the sake of changing.
I bet he doesn't even put comments in his code or write documentation.
>learning about the stock market
the stock market is rigged, there are supercomputers close to the market that have super low latency and do ultra fast transactions +high volume based on algorithms to skim on every penny, the market now is even harder to predict because it's dictated by the algorithms and what would really work is long term investments in success stories like facebook before they were successful.
Regular users have a cap on how fast they can trade so people traded and thought they were going to get what they saw but since the supercomputers have priority before the trade was processed the value was changed and they got fucked.
even 3 years seems generous. if you're not seeing movement on your career year to year, you should either see what's going wrong [with you] or move on. if i went 2 full years without upward progress i would be really active about asking superiors what i could be doing to improve (and if they don't have anything to give me in terms of feedback (i.e. if they weren't withholding for a particular reason)), i would start looking for other options.
>it is hard for me to work for someone else who will make money from hard work practically doing nothing.
You probably underestimate the contributions of others.
> Building a product, Finding another 'interesting' job,
Ideas are a dime a dozen. Great execution on a great idea nets you maybe a 1% chance of success. If you need "interesting projects" to keep your attention for more than six months, then you're not a professional.
> learning about the stock market. ( I would like to pursue all of the three
You think far, far too highly of yourself. If you give your money to others then yeah, go ahead and fuck around in the stock market. You'd be better served by learning about real estate and how to repair and improve a home. That's not sexy, though, so you're not going to do it.
ITT: Sup Forums tells OP he is a retard, eh bursts into treats and runs away and doesn't post ever again.
flip burgers at mcdolan.
Kek
Not everyone gets promoted idiot
I just had this issue with my last job. So I got my employer to pay for some certs, they still didn't give me any more responsibility so I took my MCSE (that they paid for) somewhere else for a huge raise.
In most companies, there's not enough upward mobility for that plan to make any sense.
You can easily spend five or even ten years in the same role.
(BTW, I advocate moving on after three years. I believe there's research showing that's the peak where your best contributions have occurred, but you haven't yet stagnated)
Truly the mind of a wagecuck. You've had 4 jobs and it was all due to nepotism and that still didn't stop you from getting shitcanned. Your connections won't stop you getting fired at this job you just got either. Neither will your work ethic, or how much money you make them.
Your great reputation is clearly the result of you being able to eat a lot of shit for a long time. If all these jobs you are working are pretty much equivalent and on the same payscale then even worse, you are wasting time moving from company to company to do the same thing over and over again. In the old days you used to get the 35 year old working the same job for 10 years at one company. Now all that's different is that guy has worked the same job for 10 years at 10 companies.
I understand OP completely, this life of wagecuckery is total bullshit especially when the CEO is literally making millions more than you for doing nothing besides not getting fired. Make your on company and work on what you want instead of living this wagecuck life this millenial gen is so desperate to achieve.
This is a great post and you also got nice quads and two pairs. If only all posts could be like this one.
Yes, that's precisely why I said 3 years. First year you are still mastering the position, year 2 and 3 you are your most productive and do your best work, after that, unless you get promoted or moved into a different role, your productivity slips and general feelings about the job start to slip.
>cuck cuck
>working for a wage is bad
>cuck cuck
>quitting is good
>cuck cuck
>either you are the CEO or you are a cuck
>cuck cuck
That's why you're already CEO of your own company and it's worth a billion bucks right? Shut up dumbass you're just another retard who has big ideas, anyone can have those, and they don't put food on the table kid. You're gonna fail so hard at life.
>tripfag
kys
I got laid off because the startup I was working at closed operations in my region. I got a very generous severance. I came out about 15k ahead of where I would be if I were to simply change jobs.
It's just a reality for the tech industry, if you think getting laid off is some sort of indicator of value or work ethic, you clearly don't work in tech. My dad, now a CIO, got laid off when he was a sysadmin because the company he was working for went completely under.
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Way to ignore the majority of my post, as well as your dumb blanket claim.
As usual, wagecucks are threatened by anyone that challenges their way of life and calls it out for what it is, worthless servitude, tantamount to slavery.
The only excuse for being a wagecuck is if you have children or alimony payments and literally have to keep working to not end up in prison. Even then just leaving the country would be better from your perspective.
If you are a single male with a vision, there's no need to waste it on other people's pockets. These cucks will try and drag you down speaking only about fear of the unknown and have never quit a job in their life, only worried about being fired. That's no way to live. Slaves had it better than that.
>It's just a reality for the tech industry, if you think getting laid off is some sort of indicator of value or work ethic, you clearly don't work in tech.
Tell that to all the middle-management retards crammed into the industry.
Here's another great one from them: "I have a surefire way of evaluating a job candidate! I call their last boss and ask if they'd hire them again." So, if you ever work for a crazy psychopath, you're completely fucked. Also, it's been my experience that previous employers ALWAYS resent someone leaving, and completely ignore even Herculean efforts on the part of the quitter to leave them in a good position.
>working at a job is slavery
>it is ok to work at a job if you have children
>it is not ok to work at a job if you are single
>I realized that it is hard for me to work for someone else who will make money from hard work practically doing nothing
Move to the woods and live in a cave then, you leftist hippy dipshit.
What's the name of your company by the way?
You're brainwashed.
If it's so comfortable to be an employer and exploit all those cucks out there, why don't you do it?
Did you mislink? I clearly stated the part that I agree with.
...while ignoring the rest of what I wrote, as well as your own dumb, blanket statement. If you can't be bothered to read, don't bother us with your writing.
You suck as socializing, the people I have on my reference list are mostly former bosses, they all loved me and would hire me in an instant.
I had one boss leave my company, to go start and IT department at a startup and turn around and snipe me as his first hire.
I was highlighting why I agreed with you retard jesus fuck I was adding to your statement, not arguing with you. I didn't address any of the rest of what you said because it was fine as is.
Jesus fuck learn how to read.
Yes enjoy never being that boss worker bee shit eating wagecuck.
>I was adding to your statement
Yeah, the parenthetical at the end, while ignoring the rest of it.
Seriously, fuck off.
>I didn't address any of the rest of what you said because it was fine as is.
You mean the part that directly contradicted your claims? So you agree with the statements that disagree with your own claims?
Good job, genius.
if you want to have higher level (i.e. planning/steering) influence of teams and projects, you need to be on a track that gets you promoted. if that's not what you want, fine, but i didn't think i needed to caveat a random anonymous post on the internet with "if your career goals don't align with mine, then take it with a grain of salt".
good call. there used to be a notion of loyalty to your company (a very IBM blue shirt kind of thing), but that idea is dead and you would have paid for it with a bit of your career if you had stuck around out of duty or something.
that's fair, but just like there are some companies where "promotion" doesn't even make sense (e.g. Zappos i guess), you need to modulate your expectations (so my rule about worrying after 2 years wouldn't make any sense if the culture at the company almost guarantees that people don't see any upward movement in 2 years).
the best reasonably abstract advice i can give a random person on the internet is to not retcon your progress too much; if you look back on 5 years and think "this is reasonable progress" without having defined any expectations at the outset 5 years back, you'll never really know if you're on track or if there is a track. that doesn't mean having a Stalinesque 5 year plan, but you should figure out how you're going to operationalize whatever you think "success" is in your context.
for some (very smart) people, "success" isn't operationalized by the number of people who report to you, but by some function involving you getting to go home before it's dark, seeing your wife & kids, having energy for hobbies, not being stressed out of your fucking mind, etc...
There is no reason to go into management before your 40's. I'm not 40 yet, I still enjoy doing the technical stuff.
YOU DIDN'T CONTRADICT ANYTHING I SAID IN YOUR CLAIMS YOU ARE NOT TALKING TO THE PERSON YOU THINK YOU ARE FUCKING LEARN HOW TO READ GODDAMN
>You suck as socializing
How does that follow?
As I said, according to that useless middle-manager's "sure fire" method, any person who ever has a psychopathic (or just a resentful asshole) as a former boss is now ejected from the labor pool, permanently.
Note that what I wrote neither says nor implies ANYTHING about my own work history, only that I see the obvious flaw in this idiot's unsubstantiated totem.
>I had one boss leave my company, to go start and IT department at a startup and turn around and snipe me as his first hire.
So did I, but with a software and hardware company, not IT.
I actually own a software startup.
You're a fucking faggot, shut your mouth so I'm not grouped in with /r/TheRedPill mouth breathers like you.
OP it really is about nepotism. Dudes at my college are mostly working for companies handling design or research. I got my position by knowing a friend and having a decent idea, grasp, and vision on what we wanted to do with our little startup. Even if you hate your job you're already doing wrong by moving from place to place and not establishing connections or working relationships and showing people you can't be trusted to be kept on a job for more than a few months.
I would hand out small 2-3 month contract shit to people like you, until you can prove that you can stick in it for the long haul at least.
You wrote:
>if you're not seeing movement on your career year to year, you should either see what's going wrong [with you] or move on. if i went 2 full years without upward progress i would be really active about asking superiors what i could be doing to improve (and if they don't have anything to give me in terms of feedback (i.e. if they weren't withholding for a particular reason)), i would start looking for other options.
I wrote:
>In most companies, there's not enough upward mobility for that plan to make any sense.
>You can easily spend five or even ten years in the same role.
Then you turned into a fucking retard. Eat a bag of dicks, you potato-brained bastard.
What an idiot. Does it sound like he is looking to be hired by another boss. I underseas your position is much easier for you if you can convince everyone to be happy being a wagecuck and you can get fat handing out shit tier peasant money for people to fight over. Not going to bitch at the op for wanting more.
i honestly have no idea what your point is, but i'm recognizing the quoted text in the first part of your post as mine, and i'm *not* the person you linked it to.
your post ends with "eat a bag of dicks, you potato-brained bastard" though, so my hunch is i'll survive without tracing back your rambling to make sense of your tantrum.
Firstly I was talking about the department, not the market we served. IT department was in a software company.
Secondly, psycho bosses are incredibly rare, in those cases you can typically use their boss or a dotted line manager to use as a reference or a coworker.
You are under no obligation to give someone the name of your last boss. All a company is allowed to answer if a prospective employer calls is whether you are eligible to be rehired or not, this is typically handled by HR.
>You wrote:
>if you're not seeing movement on your career year to year, you should either see what's going wrong [with you] or move on. if i went 2 full years without upward progress i would be really active about asking superiors what i could be doing to improve (and if they don't have anything to give me in terms of feedback (i.e. if they weren't withholding for a particular reason)), i would start looking for other options.
I did not write that you stupid cunt.
No, but OP could be smart and realistic about this and network, talk face to face with his boss's contractors or even with coworkers who are equally as dissatisfied and looking to start their own path. Get to know how to do shit. Sure he maybe doesn't have the convenience of a college to scout out and connect with talent.
Software isn't this magical engineering/manufacturing business where you can just open up shop and have customers line up for you as you might think. If it is to you then you're probably programming video games and getting paid minimum wage. Software is an incredibly social business where it's one part who and what you know and one part selling magical snake oils to customers that can't be arsed to learn what a computer does beyond spreadsheets.
All of you /r/TheRedPill autists follow Elon Musk's twitter like black chicks follow Beyonce's social media. How about you stop reading quotes on "success" and actually learn about how to do business in the real world?
Start applying for autismbux
If you're not a normie, you'd enjoy the NEET life
For the love of christ do NOT try to play the stock market for short term gains. It can't be done reliably.
All of these stories of someone putting their money in to some shitty high volatility financial securities and making thousands in the short term are either the equivalent of winning the lottery or they're outright lies being pushed to sell you shirty financial services.
The people who make shitloads of cash quickly in finance are playing with other people's money, not their own.
You can only make money on short term investing if you are a financial firm with huge databases and a good algorithm for predicting the volatile stock market. As well as fast transaction times.
You're only 23 none of this stuff is that important. Just get a job you like and do it for a few years at a time.
Wow, you totally changed my mind. Not.
I prefer not eating from the bin, thank you idiot.
Dumb hippies, quit smoking pot.
ITT: OP got fired
Sometimes in life you have to go two steps back to get one step forward.
OP, you're only 23, you'll be fine. It's more important to develop your skills in your twenties than anything else. Move yourself to a tech hub city, find a new job that you like, even if it's a step back from what you were doing before, and move on.
PS: The employer class is never going understand why you really quit a job, nor respect it. The only answer the managerialists ever respect is 'I got offered more money somewhere else' - they really do expect everyone to suck it up, and they can't imagine why anyone wouldn't base their entire life around their hourly wage. It's not that they're stupid, it's just that they're a very shallow class of people