Redpill me on Macs, Sup Forums.
Redpill me on Macs, Sup Forums
Nicholas Hill
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Parker Price
they are crap.
/thread
Jackson Jones
I understand that, but why are they crap? Is there any specific reason?
Julian Morris
Most of Sup Forums is too poor to afford one, so they meme the fuck out of them and shitpost because sour grapes.
They're beautiful computers with a decent OS that's somewhere between Windows and Linux.
Their price is a bit high because they're a bit of a status symbol.
Josiah Taylor
this.
/thread
Jonathan Evans
shit hardware, nice OS
Xavier Cooper
They're decent machines with a god tier OS and are commonly hated by 12 year olds who think it's cool to hate them because other 12 year olds hate them too.
Jeremiah Rivera
A lesbian operating system so it's pure compared to winblows and lincucks
Jose Brown
If we're talking about the iMac specifically, it's actually a pretty good value if you factor in the screen, especially the 5k.
>+ decent specs for the price
>+ triple boot
>- customization
>- upgrades
Brandon Moore
They used to be great for things like photography, video editing, ect.
Then apple dropped PPC for intel because they wanted that normie money. Now each new release is one step forward and several steps back.
The quality of the hardware has also been dropping for the past 10 years too.
Aiden Ramirez
>bad cooling
>throttling is common for some models
>components are mostly soldered and user upgrades/repairs are harder in comparison to other devices if not practically impossible
>""desktop"" macs have laptop parts except the top spec 5K one
Although they are your only choice if you need/want to use osx and don't want to build a hackintosh machine
Jason Sanders
Proper BSD UNIX
Proper GUI with usability and consistency, no random aesthetics from umpteen competing GUI toolkits
Loads of free software, easily installed from ports or as packaged apps
Platform of choice for design professionals
Fast, powerful, it just works (tm)
Carter Kelly
If you are a normie or amateur dev, OS X > Windows for literally everything
If you do serious development, then you'll find Linux environment much more friendly than OS X environment. One perk OS X might have over Linux is that the laptops come with a god-tier touchpad for productivity due to switching workspaces, although you may find keyboard shortcuts on non-macbook laptops just as fast. If you can get Linux on a rMBP, then there is no reason for you to use OS X for serious tech work
Dylan Martin
>works without any problems
>great battery life
>looks an feels nice
>amazing screen
>people who can't afford hate on it
Can't be happier with my mbpr 13 and the best part is none of the neckbeards in CS has any ambitions talking to me because of it... :^)
Mason Gray
>PPC to Intel
>anything but an improvement
Out of all the things to complain about in macs, you choose this
Parker James
You actually had a reason to buy Macs before, now they're just run of the mill machines that come with a different OS preinstalled.
Samuel Reed
laughing my ass off!
Parker Jones
they look nice but only some are worth anything. macbook air 11in is a very pleasant machine, but needs to be cheaper than it is. rMBP is probably the only mac machine that comes close to being correctly priced. all but the tippy top desktop models are worth anything, and they are priced incredibly high bc of it.
Carson Fisher
all but the tippy top desktop models are worth jack shit, and the top models are crazy expensive*
Evan Garcia
this is a good and fair summation. although as far as price goes, the touchpad (perhaps the screen as well) is the only quality hardware that goes above and beyond my w530, the rest is about the same, and is much more expensive.
Jose Perry
It's expensive but it'll probably get you laid.
Jason Johnson
>Out of all the things to complain about in macs, you choose this
It made a big difference when it came to photoshop and video editing. Macs were significantly faster than windows in those programs for a long time.
Then they make the move to intel and ps ends up being a bit slower on macs. Then 64 bit ps comes out, but for windows first making macs fall even farther behind.
But there are people who still claim that macs are better for photo editing lel
Eli Myers
iPhone - they are great but it's mainly about preference, had 6S, trying S7 edge now
iMac - never had one but they are good if you can do your stuff on them/family use, not for hard gaming etc.
Macbooks - literally the best you can get, I won't be buying anything else for long time. Doesn't apply if you are 13 years old and need to carry all your games everywhere you go.
iPads - if you need a tablet, preferably for mom it's great, works good but for the 13 inch pro the OS is meme, same icon layout like on 4,7 phone, cmon Apple
I've had 4 iphones, 3 macbooks, 2 ipads and the only thing I could whine as a normal user/programmer is the filesystem bullshit and fucking lightning cable being $20 for just a cable that's trash anyway. Don't listen to edgy neckbeards hating apple because it's cool and all they can afford from their allowance is $100 thinkpad used by 10 people while they pretend it's exactly what they wanted.
William Evans
What I find interesting is how crazy the resale value are on apple products. Look up the prices on old macbooks. Pretty crazy how much you can get off a 5 year old laptop.
Lucas Morris
Is it the screens?
Adrian Kelly
I've just sold my 2014 macbook air. I bought it week old from someone and sold it after 21 months for $110 less then I paid. Cool how you can litearlly rent a macbook for 5 bucks a month.
Jonathan Perez
It's a thing for devices without screens too, it's just because they're from Apple.
Justin Hill
They use shitty HDD. Mine broke in 2y and half.
Hunter Lee
>god tier OS
>no package manager
Go on, say "homebrew", I need a laugh.
Henry Anderson
pkgsrc
Jason Moore
Apple's Operating Systems Are Malware
gnu.org
Malware means software designed to function in ways that mistreat or harm the user. (This does not include accidental errors.) This page explains how the software in Apple's computer products are malware.
Malware and nonfree software are two different issues. The difference between free software and nonfree software is in whether the users have control of the program or vice versa. It's not directly a question of what the program does when it runs. However, in practice nonfree software is often malware, because the developer's awareness that the users would be powerless to fix any malicious functionalities tempts the developer to impose some.
Apple Back Doors
Mac OS X had an intentional local back door for 4 years, which could be exploited by attackers to gain root privileges.
truesecdev.wordpress.com
The iPhone has a back door that allows Apple to remotely delete apps which Apple considers “inappropriate”. Jobs said it's OK for Apple to have this power because of course we can trust Apple.
telegraph.co.uk
The iPhone has a back door for remote wipe. It's not always enabled, but users are led into enabling it without understanding.
npr.org
Elijah Gonzalez
Apple Censorship
Apple censors games, banning some games from the cr…app store because of which political points they suggest. Some political points are apparently considered acceptable.
arstechnica.com
Apple banned a program from the App Store because its developers committed the enormity of disassembling some iThings.
ifixit.org
Apple rejected an app that displayed the locations of US drone assassinations, giving various excuses. Each time the developers fixed one “problem”, Apple complained about another. After the fifth rejection, Apple admitted it was censoring the app based on the subject matter.
As of 2015, Apple systematically bans apps that endorse abortion rights or would help women find abortions.
mashable.com
This particular political slant affects other Apple services.
theguardian.com
Apple Insecurity
A vulnerability in Apple's Image I/O API allowed an attacker to execute malacious code from any application which uses this API to render a certain kind of image file.
theguardian.com
A bug in the iThings Messages app allowed a malicious web site to extract all the user's messaging history.
theintercept.com
Thomas Walker
Can it delete App Store apps? Add repositories?
Andrew Lopez
Apple Interference
Various proprietary programs often mess up the user's system. They are like sabotage, but they are not grave enough to qualify for the word “sabotage”. Nonetheless, they are nasty and wrong. This section describes examples of Apple committing interference.
Apple forced millions of iThings to download a system upgrade without asking the users. Apple did not forcibly install the upgrade but the downloading alone caused lots of trouble.
discussions.apple.com
Apple Pressuring
Proprietary companies can take advantage of their customers by imposing arbitrary limits to their use of the software. This section reports examples of hard sell and other unjust commercial tactics by Apple.
Apple Siri refuses to give you information about music charts if you're not an Apple Music subscriber.
theguardian.com
Apple Sabotage
The wrongs in this section are not precisely malware, since they do not involve making the program that runs in a way that hurts the user. But they are a lot like malware, since they are technical Apple actions that harm to the users of specific Apple software.
The Apple Music client program scans the user's file system for music files, copies them to an Apple server, and deletes them.
blog.vellumatlanta.com
Apple stops users from fixing the security bugs in Quicktime for Windows, while refusing to fix them itself.
web.archive.org
iOS version 9 for iThings sabotages them irreparably if they were repaired by someone other than Apple. Apple eventually backed off from this policy under criticism from the users. However, it has not acknowledged that this was wrong.
theguardian.com
Jose Cooper
>delete App Store apps
Of course not, why would it?
>Add repos
It comes with all the repos already
Ethan Carter
they're decent prebuilts
Carson Williams
An Apple firmware “upgrade” bricked iPhones that had been unlocked. The “upgrade” also deactivated applications not approved by Apple censorship. All this was apparently intentional.
computerworld.com
Apple deleted from iPods the music that users had got from internet music stores that competed with iTunes.
theguardian.com
Apple Surveillance
Users cannot make an Apple ID (necessary to install even gratis apps) without giving a valid email address and receiving the verification code Apple sends to it.
apple.stackexchange.com
iThings automatically upload to Apple's servers all the photos and videos they make.
apple.com
iCloud Photo Library stores every photo and video you take, and keeps them up to date on all your devices. Any edits you make are automatically updated everywhere. [...]
(From Apple's iCloud information as accessed on 24 Sep 2015.)
The iCloud feature is activated by the startup of iOS. The term “cloud” means “please don't ask where.”
support.apple.com
There is a way to deactivate iCloud, but it's active by default so it still counts as a surveillance functionality.
Unknown people apparently took advantage of this to get nude photos of many celebrities. They needed to break Apple's security to get at them, but NSA can access any of them through PRISM.
theguardian.com
gnu.org
Caleb Carter
REEEE
EEE
also later models overheat and they are less repairable (even though 2nd one benefits in portability)
>not using MacPorts
Ports > Apt/pacman/rhel package manager
David Taylor
The iBeacon lets stores determine exactly where the iThing is, and get other info too.
finance.yahoo.com
Apple can, and regularly does, remotely extract some data from iPhones for the state.
arstechnica.com
This may have improved with iOS 8 security improvements; but not as much as Apple claims.
washingtonpost.com
firstlook.org
Apple DRM
Apple uses DRM software to prevent people from charging an iThing with a generic USB cable.
motherboard.vice.com
DRM (digital restrictions mechanisms) in MacOS. This article focuses on the fact that a new model of Macbook introduced a requirement for monitors to have malicious hardware, but DRM software in MacOS is involved in activating the hardware. The software for accessing iTunes is also responsible.
eff.org
DRM that caters to Bluray disks. (The article focused on Windows and said that MacOS would do the same thing subsequently.)
arstechnica.com
Julian Clark
Quit shitposting
David Williams
Apple Jails
iOS, the operating system of the Apple iThings, is a jail for users. That means it imposes censorship of application programs.
boingboing.net
Apple has used this power to censor all bitcoin apps for the iThings.
boingboing.net
Apple, in the iThings, pioneered the practice of general purpose computers that are jails, and the term comes from iThing users, who referred to escaping from the censorship as “jailbreaking.”
Here is an article about the code signing that the iThings use to jail the user.
weblog.rogueamoeba.com
Curiously, Apple is beginning to allow limited passage through the walls of the the iThing jail: users can now install apps built from source code, provided the source code is written in Swift. Users cannot do this freely because they are required to identify themselves. Here are details.
While this is a crack in the prison walls, it is not big enough to mean that the iThings are no longer jails.
More examples of Apple's arbitrary and inconsistent censorship.
theguardian.com
Apple Tyrants
Apple arbitrarily blocks users from installing old versions of iOS.
9to5mac.com
The iThings are tyrant devices: they do not permit installing a different or modified operating system. There is a port of Android to the iThings, but installing it requires finding a bug or “exploit” to make it possible to install a different system.
web.archive.org
Andrew Cooper
> (You)
>>delete App Store apps
>Of course not, why would it?
So it's a package manager that can't manage packages on your system.
>>Add repos
>It comes with all the repos already
What "all" repos? A pre-defined set?
So basically it can't do 2 things that any package manager on Linux can. Awesome.
Matthew Torres
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Bentley Clark
>rhel package manager
Wat
Carson Bell
>So it's a package manager that can't manage packages on your system.
It's a package manager that manages packages previously managed by it. Packages managed by a different package manager (which the App Store is, just a graphical one) are handled by said package manager.
>What "all" repos? A pre-defined set?
Yes, when you install the ports system all ports are already there.
Bentley Campbell
>what is rpm
John Gray
>asks to be redpilled
>gets mad when redpilled
Mactoddlerism, not even once.
Owen Thompson
>actually thinking that a computer will get you laid
>needing an electronic device to get laid
Wew lad
Robert Brooks
Fantastic screens, shit everything else. Which is a bummer because most other brands have shit screens and fantastic everything else.
Not a single company gets both of them right, yet they're still wondering why nobody buys prebuilds anymore. Jesus fucking Christ.
Angel Jenkins
Oh, it's you. I see you're enjoying your last few weeks of shitposting before you go back to middle school.
Ian Hernandez
Yes, it's possible to add/create one. As for mac app store management, that's a different application and you should use something like
mas
. Even though OS X applications are all self contained so it's advised to just remove the .app (mas can aid).
Owen Anderson
>It's a package manager that manages packages previously managed by it. Packages managed by a different package manager (which the App Store is, just a graphical one) are handled by said package manager.
So you need to keep 2 package managers, both of which inferior to standard linux ones since no adding repos, and make sure you never have conflicts by, for example, installing xcode on one and python on the other. How is this better?
>Yes, when you install the ports system all ports are already there.
What "all" ports? How do you define a static environment includes everything from a dynamic one? Anyone can make a repo right this moment, you can't at all ensure this thing will magically include everything unless you allow it to add repos.
This user did your homework for you. Still shit that you have to keep both while you can update every package in Linux with 1 application though.
So you didn't even know the name, but somehow already knew macports was better. Ok.
Eli Sanders
>So you need to keep 2 package managers, both of which inferior to standard linux ones since no adding repos, and make sure you never have conflicts by, for example, installing xcode on one and python on the other. How is this better?
I never claimed it was infinitely superior, I said it was a package manager for OS X, which it fucking is.
>So you didn't even know the name, but somehow already knew macports was better. Ok.
You're thinking of a different user. I was just pointing out that he clearly meant rpm
Camden Watson
Do you? There are distributions of linux with multiple package managers. Plus you can just not use mac app store.
William Cooper
>user posts stuff related to apple
>b-but shitpost
Do you actually have an argument or are you here to do actual shitposting?
Joshua Nguyen
For technology illiterate morons who like to think they aren't.
Dominic Brown
I'm claiming it's inferior?
Can you name one of those retarded distros? I could just add "don't install retarded distros", but I'm curious about this. Or do you mean something like yum+pip+npm?
Sebastian Watson
Why're you questioning yourself?
Tyler Jackson
Don't worry, only one more month left to endure before mactoddlers are shipped back to middle school.
Austin Brown
Sorry about the question mark on the first reply, was meant to be statement.
Evan Morales
He spams that wall of text that nobody bothers reading in every thread, it's shitposting.
Well I never claimed pkgsrc is the best. You asked to name a non-homebrew package manager for OS X, and I did.
Ian Morris
>Redpill me
Kill yourself
Gabriel Hill
/thread
Angel Powell
>Nef = all Mac users
Top fucking kek
Josiah Morales
Like what the hardware or the software?
OS X is like a working commercial version of Linux (as in it has the benefits of GNU/Loonix) so Sup Forums hates it.
The hardware despite what macfags say is not exceptionally reliable or always well thought out. Over the years there have been many Apple products with hardware defects. Where they shine is that with Apple laptops everything about them is at least decent, they are always very pleasant to use.
While with other manufacturers you can buy a laptop that costs as much as a MBP, and yet it might still have something extremely sub par about it like shit display, short battery life, bad touchpad etc.
With A
Christopher Hughes
>He spams that wall of text that nobody bothers reading in every thread, it's shitposting
Then don't respond to him. To be fair those are some legit reasons to have concerns about apple. If you think that he's wrong then just BTFO him and he won't post it again.
Gavin Sanchez
>To be fair those are some legit reasons to have concerns about apple
I entirely agree, but to spam it all over the place is absolutely unnecessary. We get it, Apple iz bad xDDD
Grayson Carter
>Mac users
Top fucking kek
Leo Howard
>look mom I posted it again
Levi Murphy
A botnet malware OS running on overheating throttling garbage.
Josiah Perry
I'm here year round, baby
Juan King
>OS X is like a working version of Linux
Could you please not talk like you knew what you're talking about?
Jacob Jones
see
Dylan Sanchez
Well I agree that it could be bette rif he just posted the fsf page instead of posting walls.
>We get it, Apple iz bad xDDD
>op asks why some Sup Forumsentoomen think macs are bad
>complaining about some user posting what he thinks is bad about apple
Cameron Sullivan
bedrock. Even though its slightly different. And yes, pip/npm+other package manager is like MAS+brew/macports.
Justin Davis
/thread
Jordan Parker
>Actual troll detected but i will reply
Cost is one factor, the Apple machines are horribly priced compared to whatever hardware they put in them.
>They sell duocores 1,3Ghz in 2016 calling it lightening fast.
>Heat dissipation relies on the aluminium of the case to expand.
Kayden Collins
>having a low OS standard
Nolan Davis
>Heat dissipation relies on the aluminium of the case to expand.
How many asses did you have to mine to pull this out?
Anthony Roberts
>being 12
Chase Roberts
>shit hardware, shit OS
fixed
Nicholas Myers
oh my god will you fuck off.
Grayson Torres
>mactoddler gets utterly BTFO
>j-j-j-just f-f-fuck off!!!!1111
lmaoing @ ur lyfe
Samuel Gonzalez
>while defending shiny status symbols aimed at teenagers
You're not being credible
Caleb Nguyen
All I've done is deny that OS X is shit, because it's far from it.
Michael Fisher
OS X is a joy to use.
Most Macs could do with better hardware but the rMBP, especially if you can grab one foe less than MSRP is good. It's one of the few modern laptops you can get with a 16:10 aspect ratio display.
Luke Jenkins
>deny that OS X is shit
Spotted the 12 year old.
Adam Anderson
>normie tier consumer jail completely based around social media integration
No, it's shit
Hunter Sanchez
>lolol OS X sux guise
Spotted the 12 year olds
Jayden Kelly
Any UNIX is better than no UNIX.
Robert Butler
doesn't it get boring to be you?
Hudson Perez
>confusing OS X with iOS
Why are you arguing about something you clearly know nothing about?
Noah Lopez
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Oliver Flores
>unironically saying troll
underage detected
Jose Flores
Why?
Michael King
/thread
Carson Perry
/thread
Aaron Phillips
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Aiden Ortiz
>Apple's OS gives the option to use Apple's online data storage services
What's the issue with this?
>Apple's OS allows you to conveniently post on popular social networking sites
Again, what's the issue? You're free to not take advantage of either feature. Are you really complaining about the abundance of features?
Austin Torres
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