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>2017
>Still developing CPU with pins
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why not? also intel has the patent (>)

You do realize this is the best system out there right? Instead of fucking up your motherboard you only risk damage to your CPU if you force it in the wrong way.

CPUs are generally more expensive than motherboards, but it's a MUCH bigger PITA to swap out a damaged mobo.

I'd rather waste 15 minutes than 300$

literally what does it matter
ive never damaged or seen anyone damage a motherboard or cpu when putting them together is this an american thing is it because of obesity?

It's much easier to bend the pins back when they are on the CPU.

>still persisting with those plastic mounts for the stock cooler

It's a combination of stubby, fat fingers and generally low intelligence, yes.

>buy hella expensive LGA2011-R3 chip.
>try reading instructions
>try looking at videos
>search for any hint
>CPU fits either way in the socket

Haven't been this nervous in ages, but lucked out, saving a $2000 chip and $500 mobo.

there's a fucking arrow on the corner on the cpu and the socket you dipshit

>opterons use LGA for ages
>amd consumer cpus still have pins
Even amd admits their desktop cpus are garbage that's worth less than a mobo.

There's no such thing as being Too careful, user.

it's only a problem if you're a clumsy retard

>CPU fits either way
Except it doesn't. There are notches and also an indicator arrow which both show you which way to put it and prevent it from going in the wrong way.

>2017
>Still being too much of a monkey to not break pins
Kill yourself

Alright I'll just break my $300 CPU on the $70 board

Imagine if they made a default pin layout per generation that worked on both AMD and Intel, just like you don't have to buy a mother depending on if you wanted SLI or Crossfire.

>AMD CPU
>$300
Pick one

Yeah, not gonna happen. If anything, we'll get proprietary graphics card connections instead. NVLink already exists.

Reminds me of the early - mid 2000s. Motherboard manufacturers were slapping on all types of weird shit. I think they were just throwing a dart at a board and seeing it worked.

Like this thing from Assrock

Though that's a co-processor solution.
Intel have those today with the 72 core Xeon Phi

As long as it's a faster and better I'm happy.
Looks kinda like old tech slots though.

My conspiracy theory is AM4 uses pins on the chip to help reduce costs for mobo manufacturers to sweeten them up and entice them to make shitloads of AM4 boards. Afterall zen is no good if it has nothing to plug into.

Every little edge AMD can get to fight intel will help.

Another mid 2000's 'It hurts to live' motherboard.
This one has an intel/amd hybrid with a SiS northbridge.

that's not a bad theory. The issue with that is it won't do anything to stop the flood of shit boards AMD has been plagued with for years.

I've built a computer for my stepdad that I picked that had 2 DDR2 and 2 DDR3 slots, but I haven't built a multi CPU one before.

>SiS
Now I remember my old 16MB card with pure meh, but hey, it was faster than the ATi 3D Rage II+ DVD PCI card I had before.

LGA MASTER RACE

dirty pga peasants

retard europoor

Its not a coprocessor solution, its a literal replacement socket. You would remove the CPU and ram from the mainboard, flip the jumperblocks to reroute the hypertransport links away from the mainboard socket to the daughterboard socket, then install the CPU and ram on the daughterboard.

It's the better system.

Honestly that's not a bad idea if we're doing away with the north/southbridge on the mobo. Just get a CPU+daughterboard and stuff it on your motherboard to get going.

It's not like AMD's incapable of LGA sockets, just look at Opterons

It's been done before with passive and active backplanes. Doing it as it is done now though is ultimately simpler and cheaper as its 1 PCB for the system board vs 2 or more.

And with SOCs its better to mount all of the sockets and shit on one PCB over routing them across an external interface to another PCB.

>daughterboard

If another board is going to be inserted into the motherboard then it should be called a sonboard.

Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of shit with down syndrome.

Ouch, really "hit the "nail" on it's "head"" there.
Don't worry burgers and make sure to vote the "right" "candidate" next Tuesday :^))))))))))))

>those colors
Was this thing manufactured by Lisa Frank?

>no dual socket
fucking dropped

I too recall SiS. I had a SiS 6326 GPU with 4 MB onboard frame buffer. The bugger was AGP 2x, but played my Kyodai Mahjongg game in 3D mode back in Win XP era

i had a 32M SiS 315E
was a little slower than a GeForce 2MX

I want zen opterons ;__;

Everyone does. One oddity though is that I hope all zen supports ECC ram - bulldozer does as it has the same memory controller as its opteron counterparts.

And you cant fuck it up, unless you try to.
If it doesnt drop in there without any force, its wrong.

Let us not forget Sup Forums is filled with Sup Forums spillover and thus anything more complicated than inserting fast food into their face is borderline impossible to do.

People don't like not being able to do things and tend to chimp out result in damaged parts and tobasco sauce.

I'm hoping there's a 2-die/4-channel MCM platform sold for reasonable prices.
Or that there are 2 socket Summit Ridge platforms at least I guess.

All they had to do was make a quad-channel memory platform with riced out heatsinks and more PCI-E slots and I/O than anyone could ever hope to use. Intel's HEDT makes gaymers think that even with 115x, they're getting the next best thing to the gold standard platform. People aren't clamoring for a weird middle man between X99 and Z170. They're comfortable with top of the line, or still excellent, but more practical.

Motherboards are cheap, CPUs are expensive
We established that mobo-side pins were better when LGA became normalized

No, no they don't.
Neither AMD not intel actually create the physical socket interfaces they use. They each get them from a 3rd party.
All AMD and intel control is the pin layout.

They could each make everything fully PGA or LGA on a whim.

Top end Summit Ridge parts won't be cheap.

That isn't a theory.
AMD does favor PGA sockets for consumer parts to reduce mobo warranty burden.

Plastic mounts are much better than intel's plastic peg mounting.

Motherboard PCBs nowadays look so empty

>We established
No we didn't.

Who else is buying the highest end Zen on day 0?

Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of shit with down syndrome.

I would be mad too, if I had to choose between Trump and Hillary.

I hate to say it, but even as an AMD fan I don't really like pins on the CPU. You handle the CPU with your hands multiple times, and you never handle the motherboard socket. So it's logical to put the pins on the socket.

You can bend the pins back on the CPU, and I've done exactly that on my 8350 years ago. But it's a nerve racking thing to do because you wonder if you're going to break off the pin. The pins are ridiculously easy to bend on those CPUs.

If the price, compatibility, and performance are good then I might buy one of the new AMD CPUs. But I won't defend the decision to put the pins on the CPU. It's just a bad choice.

>The pins are ridiculously easy to bend on those CPUs

No, they're not. I'd go as far as to say that you'd need to be literally mentally retarded to manage it, because I've installed many AMD CPUs over the years and never even come close to bending a pin. You know, because I'm not retarded. Same goes for Intel CPUs, although bent pins out of the box on an Intel motherboard seems to be a far more common issue than bent pins out of the box on an AMD CPU.

LGA has better pin density
PGA has better contact

FFS this isn't rocket surgery.

>2017
>his mobo has pins

at least it is not that weird shit that comes with intel stock cpu. I still hate those shit.

>on day 0
Hell no, better wait for reviews. If it turns out to be what AMD promised, even if it doesn't destroy Intel's current generation, count me in.

I've owned many Intel motherboards and I've never bent a single pin. You'd have to be retarded to bend a pin on a motherboard. But since I'm not retarded, I've never had to worry about it.

I agree.
Amerifag here but I don't understand what the fuck the big deal is. I am SUPER not careful with building PCs, I bent a bunch of pins and got thermal compound all the fuck over an AM3 Athlon II 3.0 dual core and the fucker still worked perfectly.

Jeesus.

>tfw still comfy with my 4.2GHz 8350, 16GB kit and based gigabyte board.

>Video output on board
Looks like they're dropping the enthusiast type shit where 990FX you had to buy a gpu because enthusiast.

>I've owned many Intel motherboards and I've never bent a single pin.
You're right. It's better to leave them in the board no matter what.

The boards have to support APUs.

It just sucks sucks they're blending the socket into the normie cpus, 990FX was like AMD's X99 and FM2 was for the plebs. now they're won't be an enthusiast platform

This, AM4 is a unified socket scale able from low power APUs up to summit ridge.

I`m sure there will be enthusiast model boards that remove the integrated graphics ports in favor of more features somewhere else. Used to be the normal way of things prior to on die/mcm iGPUs.

you're right, I totally forgot about the stuff like intel has such as P67 for high end and Z68 and H61 if you want to use onboard GPUs

I'm actually looking forward to zen now.

>durr move the pins to the motherboard so that you have to replace the motherboard if you fuck up
Some of us dont use cheap shit motherboards and those flimsy little intel pins are rather concerning.
I dont really hear amd users post about their bent pins

its looks so prfessional yet so empty
is this the future?

I see sata express is DOA only after 3 motherboards so the wiki was right
PCI-E M.2 really did kill it off.

unplug a couple cables and remove 9 screws.
Why do you faggots thing "building a computer" is hard?
I was rebuilding vcrs and discdrives and doing full restores on videogame consols when I was 10.

This, PCs are like legos, especially now with these new ATX cases where everything is tool free and they're affordable.

To be honest I`m actually kind of excited to see what the actual zen APUs bring to the table. Driver leaks have shown that they have onboard HBM controllers suggesting more than just theoretical designs for integrated HBM. Not to mention if they go nuts and actually run a 4co/8t cpu with something like vega 10 onboard... wew.

It`s fucking amazing how many motherboards you find on ebay with bent pins. While it`s entirely fixable. It`s a huge pain in the ass and you often see the socket with large sections smashed like they dropped the cpu on end. People still charge out the ass for the boards as well knowing full well there are people out there with BGA solder stations that can simply swap the socket out.

You made me remember something I forgot.
>2 unique sata ports
Concerns me as to what the implications of that is.Though it could just be space constraints.

Every ntime I see an AMD socket it's like I was taken back to 2002

>vega 10 onboard
>tfw AMD could make a huge comeback in the budget gamer/small form factor market.

I feel like fatherboard would make more sense. But this IS Sup Forums. :^)

It's a 4-phase power delivery episode.

>It`s a huge pain in the ass
Thats exactly why I didnt mention socket swaps or actually managing to unfuck the pins.
Ive seen videos of it done, shit load of flux, heat gun, and solder wick.
Still way to much of a hassel and I wouldnt do it on anything less than a $100 board, maybe even $150.
Those guys have balls of steel.
Have you ever seen them do smd chips directly on the board where they have to use solder powerd and make solder balls inside of a die? Its like 100-500 contacts on a chip the size of half of your pinky nail.

Physically assembling a PC has always been retardedly simply, except maybe if you're assembling a custom water loop for the first time or something.

Other user was right about comparative hassle though. Swapping out a motherboard requires unsecuring and disconnecting absolutely everything in a system except PSU and drives, and fixing a bend pin is easier on a PGA CPU than on a LGA mobo. You're still a clumsy fuck if you bend either, but it's easier to deal with on the CPU if you're even halfway competent.

Time will tell if the 1300 or whatever pins on Summit Ridge are notably more fragile though.

Raven Ridge is only 12CU.
Socket AM4 has tighter power restrictions than anything AMD has ever released, and power delivery has tighter tolerances than even intels prosumer sockets.
There won't be any high power draw parts from AMD on the consumer side.

if you bend a mobo pin, you are (usually) never getting it working again. If you bend a proc pin all you need is a razor blade and a keen eye and all is good in the world.

>There won't be any high power draw
Aww, but I need to keep warm.

youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM

which of is is "other user"
I still say its less hassle to replace a cpu than a motherboard.

Yeah, if it`s just a few pins you`d be surprised how doable it is with a clean razer blade, and a decent smartphone camera in digital zoom. But the actual socket replacement without something like a 15,000$+ station would be a nightmare.

tweaktown.com/news/54721/amds-next-gen-apu-zen-cpu-cores-vega-gpu-hbm2/index.html

This is calling for a max 16CU, but then so was the rx460. Though polaris is getting a refresh, and vega is supposed to be even more efficient. Currytech is calling for APUs with a tdp as high as 95W, but it does seem like they`re hard lining the consumer market with that 95w max TDP. Leaks and trickle info are all leading to AMD not being able to get much higher clocks while staying within that 95W thresh hold.

A good friend of mine who is a hard nosed AMD fanboy has been saying from day 1 of zen`s announcement that it`s a terrible idea to buy zen because AMD post Athlon II is always shit on their first iteration. "I just wish they would release Zen and info so I can start researching and get an actual good system ones zen+ comes out"

Just get a 10x FTW card and run furmark.


... One last bit of speculation on Zen, since they`re boasting the same watt/clock as excavator (basically nothing) with SMT. Perhaps they`ll have SMT disabled models that clock higher by default? I do believe there will be SMT-less variants inevitably, but only time will tell.

>This is calling for a max 16CU,
Its 12, AMD officially outed it. Mobile and desktop.

> Currytech is calling for APUs with a tdp as high as 95W
This is standard fare. Both Summit Ridge and Raven Ridge max out at 95w.

> it`s a terrible idea to buy zen because AMD post Athlon II is always shit on their first iteration.
Thats not exactly bad advice.
Zen+ will have solid IPC uplift and higher frequency. Its likely that Zen+ will be 2019 though.
Expect refreshed 14nm Zen based parts in early 2018.

Hitting 3.15ghz on all 8 cores for Summit Ridge isn't bad, but they need a lot more frequency for lower core count parts to compete against mainstream i5s and i7s. They need desktop APUs to sustain 3.5ghz at least, no throttling. Better binned chips should be able to hit that without issue, but their 7nm chips will hit much higher frequencies.

I'm definitely buying Zen at the later stage of the socket's life, AM3+ 990FX boards with sweet VRMs are cheap af.

Pins on the CPU is a far superior attachment method

I'm probably buying a Summit Ridge system for video editing and Autocad stuff for work.
8c/16t with decent IPC and moderate clocks is going to be good enough for me regardless of the exact specifics on performance.

Man, these pins on the CPU are sure going to be a burden for me in my daily life, since one of my hobbies is to take the CPU out of the motherboard a few times per day. If only there was a better way...

>Be black guy just wanting to computer
>Buy GTX 1080 for gaymen
>It blows up

Just thought I'd share this while we're on the subject of housefires.

youtube.com/watch?v=O2-VaOPOvgI

>evga
We wuz graphics n shit

>inserting sonboard into motherboard

just fucking great, now I have to draw porn of this, don't I?

ok im taking the bait

>cpu with pins
rarely got bent outside second hand shopping

>motherboard with pins
Are you even aware how many boards that gets bricked because of badly bent pins? besides they arent even "pins" they are tiny springs thats almost impossible to restore once bent

This, also intel LGA sockets wear out as you insert and remove CPUs, the pressure and releasing will wear out the little springs relatively fast.

...

kek

In my opinion, the pins should be on the cheaper component.

Back in the day Intel and AMD did use the same socket layout.

bump because AMD is based.

>AMD
>Based
No.