So I hear people are whining because the new macs can't have more than 16 GB of RAM

So I hear people are whining because the new macs can't have more than 16 GB of RAM.

Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with people, did they replace all their software with giant memory leaks?

Perhaps I'm biased as a longtime user of GNU/Linux, but I feel like applications that need so much RAM are either grossly miscoded memory holes, or research-grade physical simulation software using billion-vertex meshes and meant to run on clusters and supercomputers, not laptops.

Help me make sense of this RAM bulimia, Sup Forums. Is it justified to need 32 GB of RAM now? Should I worry that my usual RAM usage remains in between 1 and 2 GB? And when will this stop, what is the limit to this inflation?

Bonus question: usual rule of thumb for disk partitioning in GNU/Linux is to allocate a swap partition equal in size to the RAM. What are we supposed to do now with 32 GB laptops, dedicate 32 GB of disk/SSD space to swap? Seriously?

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32gb or more RAM can make video rendering much faster

they used to be able to use more than 16gb

not only that but the new MBP's aren't even shipping with dedicated GPU's and instead are using the Iris Pro shit that NO developer fucking works with

The only people who have the right to be mad about this are graphic designers and video producers. And the majority of them use macs. So yes, this is shitty.

I've heard that excuse, and sincerely, I doubt it: video rendering speed is limited by processor speed just as much as RAM space, if not more.

And seriously, do they use laptops for their work? With these tiny screens? What are they, ant video producers?

Not defending Apple but I'm pretty sure the 13" models never add dedicated GPUs.

Also my question isn't limited to macs actually, this 8-32 GB bracket seems like the new bracket for laptops and I can't help but think it's oversized for an OS, a DE, a WM, a word processor and a few tabs of porn in a browser.

Once you will move out of your parents' house and get a proper job, you will understand.

>you're not a real adult unless you spend money on frivolous things

>And seriously, do they use laptops for their work? With these tiny screens? What are they, ant video producers?
Yes, with laptops having tons of power under the hood video editors are working on the go more than ever
>I've heard that excuse, and sincerely, I doubt it
You have obviously never edited video on any scale other than a very small one.

As a matter of fact I do have a proper job, I'm programming for robots. Since they are embedded systems, robots often have limited processing power and system resources, which forces you to be careful of memory usage when developing. That might add to my non-understanding of why other people need so damn high quantities of RAM. I really suspect they use software made without thinking about system resources.

Bill Gates please go home, you're drunk.

video editing software does not focus on conversing RAM, it focuses more on using it efficiently and faster jobs.

? AFAIK he's into AIDS fighting now, not robotics

Having a game from 2004, 10 One Note windows, 30 Tabs, 6 images in PS (around 4000x2000 each) with a bunch of layers, a few diagramming tools, music player, steam, UE4 gets me up to 17gb ram. Defo need 32gb these days IMO.

Yes, you don't need 16GB of RAM to post on facebook, you're right. Also, if you have loads of RAM you don't need swap you muppet.

On the other hand every OS I know of will make good use of any amount of RAM you give it. Whether it's a good ROI depends on what work you do. If all you do is play games it's rather pointless and an buying faster SSDs will be a better investment for you.

Now fuck off.

>6 images in PS (around 4000x2000 each) with a bunch of layers
This
Photoshop will eat through as much RAM as you have.
If I were a bit crazier I'd max out how much ram my mobo could support but I'm not that desperate (especially since SSDs came about)

god damn that looks good.

got a recipe?

>if you have loads of RAM you don't need swap you muppet
Need tho, for suspend-to-disk. The "equal to RAM" size rule is to make sure the system can always write the RAM to the swap partition before hibernating, whatever how much of RAM is actually in usage and how much it can be compressed.

recipe? are you blind? it's a potato

do you need a manual to tie your shoelaces?

I was wondering the same, but the image describes the steps well enough I think. I wonder what cheese to use in between the slices tho. Cheddar? Parmiggiano?

RAM Disk

VRAM, 12GB requires minimum 16 GB RAM

>not using 256GB RAM
>not running gentoo on ramdisk

The 13" rMBP has never had a dedicated GPU and the original 13" "non-r" MBP had a dedicated GPU because it used an Nvidia chipset and because Intel's integrated graphics back then were just mindbogglingly bad. Apple probably would have continued using Nvidia chipsets if it wasn't for Intel putting a stop to it and telling Nvidia their license wasn't valid for anything beyond Core 2 Duos.

As for the 15" model Apple actually dropped the models without dedicated graphics. Now you just get a choice between two AMD Polaris chips depending on your BTO options.

proper temperatures and ingredients would be nice.

faggot

hibernate and swap are not the same

just get a mac or something

Did you know most people tie their shoelaces the wrong way?

ted.com/talks/terry_moore_how_to_tie_your_shoes

Real question is - why do you care so much? Does this fact destroy your life so much?

Depends on what you do. Remember, browsers ARE one big memory leak, either by virtue of their own code, or the layers of shitty JavaScript they run. Me? I've got over a dozen tabs I cycle through constantly at work daily. All JavaScript heavy crap to. Some of the docs we have to deal with cause office go gulp down 4-6GB of ram.

It's aggravating as hell, but I can't magically to rewrite those projects to be better about ram, and convincing me entire office to switch if I did would be even harder.

Fight the good fight where you need to, but accept what we can't change.

I know they're not, read what I wrote. Do you even know how hibernation work?

RAM is compressed and written to swap space before hibernating. When you switch your computer back again, it's read from swap space and written into RAM again.

That's one of the reasons swap space encryption is recommended when you go the Snowden way and encrypt your data. Otherwise, you risk leaking cleartext data to swap.

Yes. Yes, it triggers me.

some consumers get easily swayed, others live under a spartiate stoicism, the truth is always somewhere in the middle. You'd have to define it and decide rationally for yourself or be a mainstream follower and let others do the thinking for you (in vogue).

Processing large data sets.

I work with large time-series and RAM gets high very quickly.

It is worth remembering that hardly any processing EVER needs to run on an external cluster. There is an epic blog post somewhere demonstrating this, I think it was called "Your data fits in RAM"

The 16gb limit plus Emoji bar signals Apple are not interested in keeping the Dev/Power user market :(. Looks like lenovo are going to get my money

Also it annoys me, it looks like computer manufacturers periodically double the maximum amount of RAM one can put into their laptops, not because they need it, but only because manufacturers want to keep them interested.

>buy Hungrybook Pro XGS 32GB
>new! Hungrybook Pro XGS+ 64GB

I work for a wireless company. We need a lot of ram for ibwave. We use it for designing very large in building DAS systems. If you're at home jacking off to cartoons and playing your little video games, you don't need that much ram.

Here we go

aadrake.com/command-line-tools-can-be-235x-faster-than-your-hadoop-cluster.html

Honestly, there are so few companies and processes that require external processing of large data sets. Most of it is devs wanking themselves silly over new technology.

This is why larger ram is good

I need 64GiB for ZFS file systems and VMs.
Want to go 128GiB w/ quad channel on both sockets.


But everyone whining about RAM in their macbook can fuck right off as any more than 4GiB is a waste on their systems.