How come UseNet is legal?

how come UseNet is legal?

you download a shit client, then you pay like $20 a month (screenshot from usenet.nl) for ~10GB of anything

what's the catch?

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It isn't, probably. It's just relatively unheard of and unused compared to torrents. Plus you really have to pay for it, like you say. At least as far as I know.

how come guns are legal?

you go into a store (or meet a private seller), then you pay like $ 200 once, and you can shoot anybody you don't like

what's the catch?

Usenet used to be super popular back in the day. It's now dying.

you dumb fuck

>tfw no need for /ptg/ cuz usenet is still alive locally
>tfw pay 5eur a month for your server and have 1500 retention days and 500Mbit download.

...

>then you pay like $20 a month (screenshot from usenet.nl) for ~10GB of anything

$20 for 10 fucking GB a month?

I just downloaded a Howl's Moving Castle that was 28GB alone

Where I live Usenet is the most targeted download system/network by authorities, torrents are fine but if you upload to usenet they'll chase you to the end of time.

You are the dumb fuck here

A lot of illegality is determined arbitrarily, e.g guns

How's life in Bizzarroland?

kind of nice, seeing as the government still doesn't give a shit about me torrenting 20TB a year. I live in the Netherlands if you were interested in moving here.

>A lot of illegality is determined arbitrarily

no, you are the dumb fuck. shitloads of torrent sites were closed and their owners jailed/sued and so on, yet usenet still manages to live somehow.

and your gun example is shit. here's a good gun example based on usenet: specific guns are illegal, yet i set up a warehouse with a $20 fee and say "you can have any gun you want from here for free". illegality wont be determined arbitrarily you fucking retard, i'm gonna get v&

>all usenet is now is a way for people to pirate

Sad.

Usenet + Gopher for the win.
Text rulez.
Meow!

literally every single exe on usenet is a virus

>pay to pirate
Usenet is a scam, only retards use that shit.

B1FF R00LZ!!

3000 days retention
€9.60 per month
100mbit speed
no caps
dmca takedowns much slower than astra/giga

buy dutch usenet

>$20 a month
>10 GB bandwidth
kek

>newszilla

>It's now dying.
I've been hearing this since at least a decade.

because banning Usenet would be like banning http

>yet usenet still manages to live somehow.

Because it's very niche compared to torrents, kinda like a secret club of sorts ("first rule of Usenet: one does not talk about Usenet" etc.).

You have a clue what the word "bandwidth" means? Because it appears you don't really.

>how come UseNet is legal?
It's not
>what's the catch?
Availability is shit, you have to pay a lot for shitty servers that won't have your content anyway, releases are garbage multi-part zips etc., quality is extremely hit and miss

Just buy a seedbox and use private trackers. Faster, easier, far better availability*, far better UI, far better quality* and cheaper to boot.

(*) depends on the tracker obviously

No, it would be more like banning torrenting.

Yes, usenet can be used for legal content. Yes, torrents can be used for legal content.

But 99.9999% of it is illegal.

>no, you are the dumb fuck. shitloads of torrent sites were closed and their owners jailed/sued and so on, yet usenet still manages to live somehow.
Because it's obscure, simple as that. Private trackers are also still up and running.

Both are alive because they're unpopular. Law enforcement goes after the sites that the majority of normies use.

Haha

>It's not
Yes it is. Are you retarded? Do you know the difference legal and illegal? Simply using usenet doesn't break any laws.

Sigh. Please read the fucking context before responding with your worthless semantic drivel

OP was talking about pirating via usenet, which is just as illegal as torrenting. Now fuck off.

How come scene groups use fucking usenet, isn't there some easier way to release shit?

I'm still trying to figure out the path of releasing stuff on the internet, as i understand it's like top sites (usenet?) -> direct download sites -> torrents

Scene groups are stuck in the 90s

I'm actually surprised they managed to stop using DivX

>how come UseNet is legal?
it's used for legal stuff, and client-server traffic mostly over SSL.
It's difficult to track and prosecute what two agreeing parties (provider and client) decide to communicate to eachother.

>like $20 a month
Make that €2,50 per month for unlimited volume, lots of providers actually allow account sharing.

>what's the catch?
The indexers and providers get dmca's A LOT. Especially movies and TV. Usually new episodes are nuked on the provider within minutes after they show up on popular indexers.
So you're going to need some community-based 'private' NZB providers or some self hosted programs that connect to a central DB.
The NZB providers get sued a lot and lots of good ones have closed their doors in the last few years. New ones are founded regularly but it takes a while for them to get a reputation and attract good 'spotters'.

Most topsites are still FTP/FXP afaik.


Americans say this but don't know it's quite active in big parts of EU

>You can shoot anybody you don't like.

Because that part is illegal.

its legal because its too hard for the average guy to understand

>FTP
>2016

>$20 a month for ~10GB of anything
Jeez, I've always made fun of Usenetfags for paying to pirate, but I never knew it was so much money for so little content

FTPS

It's because the figure is wrong, unlimited data at 50Mbit/s is between $7-$10/month at the reputable servers

Ah, that makes more sense.

>it's used for legal stuff
good joke

who uses usenet for legal purposes?

what's a good service provider?

believe it or not.
most internet providers actually give you text only usenet access.
most people dont even know about it.
write your provider a mail.

>how come UseNet is legal
>who uses usenet for legal purposes
Go do your homework and then help mom to set the table.
t. dad

Go to bed dad you're drunk again

Almost of them have been discontinued during the last decade. The only way for the majority of internet users to get on the non-binary part of Usenet is through community-operated servers like Eternal September or aioe.org.
dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/

when nzbmatrix got shut down it all went to shit, i haven't bothered with usenet since then

My first contact with the Internet was Usenet, just before the HTTP and HTML were invented.

yes but who uses it?

>Go do your homework and then help mom to set the table.
so nobody?

It's used for discussion, unspoiled by Facebook, Twatter, Google and all the other cancer.

Why are posts starting with "so" frequently uninformed?

alt.binaries killed USENET

>how come UseNet is legal?
Because having a thing to download things with isn't illegal. If it was the entire internet would be illegal.

Okay but who uses it?

Stay away from usenet.nl, this goes out to everyone, luckily I wasn't so retarded as people still paying for their service.

Old people

Old people use emails

Why?

Why can't you answer the question?

Show me a single person that uses usenet, in 2016, for anything other than pirating. Show me a single fucking discussion. A link is fine.

Try the "Bandwidth" article on wikipedia.

gnu.org/usenet/
dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Hierarchies/

Example:
groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bionet.microbiology

The better question is who DOESN'T use Usenet:
- Chad T. Normie
- Millennials

2 good reasons right there.

Did you know you can use news sites through E-Mail?

>- Millennials
Always a millennial bitching about millennials.

This

fyi it's very common to see bandwidth used like this in this context
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_(computing)#Bandwidth_in_web_hosting

go to pretty much any ISP/VPS hosting and you'll more than likely see this

the fbi is too dumb to figure out how to use it

>groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bionet.microbiology
These are mostly advertisements.

>been on the internet for >10 years
>I still don't know how to use usenet

Would you recommend a tutorial for getting started in using usenet?>been on the internet for >10 years
>I still don't know how to use usenet

Would you recommend a tutorial for getting started on usenet?

It's still wrong, just like it's wrong of Microsoft to mislabel base 2 units with base 10 prefixes.

ISPs abusing a word doesn't make it less of an error.

No, it's traffic. I've never seen anyone, especially an ISP or host, refer to traffic as bandwidth.

>not using easynews' web interface for usenet

yes, but you shouldn't be so surprised when someone believes it to be correct, considering how common it is
it's not unreasonable to assume that VPS hosting companies of all people, should be using correct terminology

>A few posts per year
So I was wrong, some people are still desperately clinging onto the dead technology

Jesus christ, even the forums I used to browse as a kid still receives more posts than this

usenet falls under the common carrier. just like how an ISP cant be illegal even though they might have illegal content flow over the cables. also usenet is just text. binary data gets converted into ascii so strictly there isnt anything copyrighted on the usenet servers. it becomes copyright protected content when you decode it back to the original files on your computer.

>What does Staphylococcus aureus and David attenborough have in common ?
>They both produce Biofilms
OHHHHH SHIT NIGGA!!!!

There are many active usenet discussion groups though.

I still use nntp for good discussion, outside of the shit posting on here. Most of the trolls are long gone from it.

It's also useful for new release downloads. There are automated DMCA requests on all the major providers. But if you're in the know on obfuscated releases, it's never an issue.

It's not legal to use Usenet for piracy. I just think it doesn't have anywhere near as much usage share as torrenting. Back when Usenet was one of the only means of pirating available, piracy wasn't nearly as widespread as is it today.

Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure the FBI has always set up honeypots across Usenet networks.

>what's the catch?

You have to pay for it.


Another lesser known method of P2P is DC++. It's free, but it's probably even more shitty than Usenet. You connect to a chatroom and can share files with anyone in the room. Each chat is centered around a particular subject of filesharing, like sharing albums from a specific group or artist, or in a specific format. Unfortunately, this often means each chat has its own set of Draconian rules to follow before you'll be allowed to download anything.

I still use it. Although it's shit if you're not on the elite indexers.

Not really. Just use a usenet provider that isn't shitty and does its own indexing/processing of files.

>usenet is shit
Works4me.tiff

Last time I tried Usenet it was literally almost completely devoid of content, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong

The last few things I downloaded included:
>Deadly Rooms of Death - The Second Sky (Linux version)
>Guacamalee! Gold Edition (Linux version)
>Tsar Teh-Yun - China - maître du qin (FLAC)
>Leaves' Eyes discography (FLAC)
Can you find any of these on usenet? Just curious, not cherry-picking

these two retards utterly missed the point. laugh at them.

Nope. But usenet isn't really the place to find obscure content. Anything that's ever been released as a commercial product by a major company though, chances are someone will have posted it on usenet.

Usenet is great for movies and tv. Sickrage and couchpotato handling all the DVR functionality without intervention. When getting music or software, better luck with torrents.

Look at it this way, at least in the states, it's retard to torrent without proper VPN. This cost money, so does usenet service. So either way you're out a few bucks. With the usenet route, no need to be concerned about seeds or ratios.

Whenever I think of Usenet and content, I think of active discussions rather than muh binaries.

1st is.
2nd and 3rd aren't.
4th has all the albums in lossless except 1.

That's DOGnzb which is an elite indexer.

Wait, so why would I pay more money for usenet than I currently pay for my seedbox just so I can have access to less content?

Somebody rationalize this to me please, I don't get it

How much does it cost you? This seedbox is 4€/mo btw

what seedbox do you use that doesn't fuck you in the ass when dcma

I never understood why someone would pay for a seedbox when you with less than 4€/month you can buy real-debrid and enjoy both torrents and premium file hosters

Any of them since it's never happened

>elite indexer
Those obfuscate filenames and password the contents lately to protect from DMCA, no?

I would say it's for people who don't care about obscure content and don't want to worry about whether or not some torrent is seeded. Things posted on usenet are more permanent than torrents. There's also guaranteed download speeds that will saturate even a gigabit connection. Also, complete privacy when you use a provider that never keeps logs.

Well done, now you know why Usenet is legal.

Never happened

Well it's not a dedicated seedbox, it's just a VPS that I use for more purposes than just seeding

I call it a seedbox because in this context, that's what it is

>Things posted on usenet are more permanent than torrents.
Wait what?

Stuff on usenet drops out after a few months

Meanwhile on sites like what.cd, animebyt.es or gazellegames, basically every single torrent on the site is seeded

Do you even know what arbitrary means?
>based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

Laws come about because some political entity decides "that should be illegal." Then they get enforced because another political entity decides "yeah we should enforce that".

Homework assignment: design a legal system that is more arbitrary.