Which is more reliable for long term storage?

SSDs, HDDs or Cloud?

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HDD. Cloud providers mysteriously disappear and don't guarantee your data will be protected from corruption/theft/inactivity.

HDD faggit

Modern SSD's have a longer lifespan than HDD's, not to mention so much faster.

SSD shill.

>Shill

explain


What about external SSDS? People keep telling me that they are faster and more durable than external HDDS.

> for long term storage
gl with your recomendations will be nice when you return to that secret bunker after 5 years with all that precius data stored in SSD drives

OwnCloud on a private file server.

High capacity HDDs in a NAS.

A Raid-10 array.

Depends on how you use it. SSDs have limited writes, not reads. In theory you could write something to an SSD and have it last 50+ years as long as you never write to it. Hard drives average 3-5 years.

If you're serious about data archival and have a lot of data (and plenty of money) get LTO7 tapes. If you don't have that much data and/or don't have that much money, look into M-Disc DVDs. They have them in bluray as well but they aren't cheap.

>Hard drives average 3-5 years.
lmao, no.

Yes.
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Why do you think they're only warrantied for up to 5 years?

>Hard drives average 3-5 years.
I still use drives from 10 years ago which have never failed

That is for servers. In light use HDDs can last more than 10 years.

Just like an SSD.

I don't know what the hell qualifies as light use but an SSD has never lasted more than 2 years for me. I'm

Nigga if you fuck up an SSD in 2 years then how the fuck your HDD last 10 years. My HDDs fail after 4 years with light use (gaming mostly). Unless your SSD was old as fuck. New gen Ines a good as fuck. Never coming back to HDDs

*new gen ones are
Wtf phone?

SSDs that back up to HDDs that back up to a huge cloud provider.

*never going back
Throwing this phone into the trash.

How hard do you run your SSDs, familia? 2 years and going strong.
SMART info:
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct = 0
9 Power_On_Hours = 18779 [h]
12 Power_Cycle_Count = 274
177 Wear_Leveling_Count = 90 [%]
179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot = 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel = 37 [°C]
241 Total_LBAs_Written = 10.017 [TB]

SSD is much faster - cloud is unreliable - HDD slow. SSD is both reliable and fast

cloud, hands down

>SSD
Forgets your data too easily. Flash memory is volatile as fuck. All it takes is two weeks storing on high temperature and it's de-magnetized, data is gone.

>HDD
Second best choice, physically fragile though. Your best bet is a RAID box, but that's additional money. Way too much money.

How fragile are SSDs?

Shekelstein, fuck off. The Cloud can vanish at any time. It is literally just someone else's computer.

>google can disappear any time
Sounds believable edgelord.

>bu.. bu... muh privacy
Don't use the cloud to store kiddie porn you piece of shit, or use Tresorit if you have something to hide, faggot.

You think Google hosts itself? Do some research, you fucktard.

Technically HDD. A 3rd party service isn't even an option for long term storage of your own shit you dumb fuck. That's not even storage, its hosting. Should you need access to your data it'll take a long time to get to and its only available online of course.

>"proprietary is shit" linux shills don't like cloud, the thread
cancer

Gutte gojim

>Flash
>de-magnetized

Are you for fucking real?

>SSDs, HDDs or Cloud?

None of these by itself.

Either a massively redundant combination of these, or archival type magnetic tape.

Always HDD.
A single one not doesn't offer enough reliability to you? Get more HDDs.

>SSD
>long term storage

>SSDs forget your data
>demagnetized flash cells

This is the average intelligence of a Sup Forums poster. Are you 14 lad?

>people actually saying cloud
do i even need to start?

Either one in RAID 1 or RAID 10, probably. Trusting some cloud company with your data seems dumb, but I don't know what the actual odds are of Google losing your data vs. having multiple drives in your RAID failing at once.

10 years is long term for most people, any longer should be on tape.

HDDs in raid 6

When SSDs become cheaper then use SSDs

>do i even need to start?
Sure, I use amazon glacier to archive family media.
What should I be doing instead?

>People keep telling me that they are faster
That is true, they can read/write much faster than mechnical hard drives.
>and more durable than external HDDS.
They don't last a long, potentially. HDDs can have virtually unlimited read/writes over a lifetime, while the most SSDs are projected to have is 2PB. They could probably survive more impacts and physical movements since SSDs have no moving parts but they're also pretty light and m.2 SSDs are the size of a stick of gum so someone with unhindered retard strength might bend one too much during installation.

just how many of them have to die and/or tace "care" of your files before you realize that cloud storages are crap?

>Flash memory is volatile as fuck. All it takes is two weeks storing on high temperature and it's de-magnetized, data is gone.
Wait, wut?

I've not had any cloud storage service die or damage my files, I've had that happen with my own storage however.

Glacier costs me $4 per TB a month, how can a standard HDD even compete?

I bet they intentionally bypass reasonable QA standards when manufacturing HDDs and SSDs to make them break after 2-3 years so you have to keep buying new ones. Doesn't matter if you spend hundreds of dollars on a "quality" brand.

Enjoy your literal data rot.

Glacier utilizes multiple copies that are hashed checked to verify that the data I download is not corrupted.
There is no bit rot.

For long term storage you should use an HDD. SSDs trap electrons when you save data and these can "break out" after five years of not using them or not having the data refreshed. Whether the data is being refreshed or not depends on your SSDs firmware, but you can also do this manually by copying the data to the SSD again.
In my opinion this isn't worth the hassle however. The magnetic charge that holds the data in an HDD is much more stable and HDDs are also a lot cheaper.

Oh and fuck cloud storage ofc, every possible bad thing you can imagine about it is probably true.

You're a retarded amazon shill. He was obviously talking about tape degradation

SAS

My system SSD has clocked around 8 TB of writes over 2 years. If the write limit is 2 PB, I'm good for a few centuries.

I've heard it is a bimodal distribution. Average at 6 years, most failing at 2-3 years or 8-9 years

>Glacier costs me $4 per TB a month, how can a standard HDD even compete?

12 months * $4 = $48
1 TB HDD = $48

I'd say it can

>SSDs will stop working after some amount of time
>HDDs will most likely stop working, though possibly longer than SSDs or shorter than SSDs
>Cloud services can just stop providing you service
I'd say SSDs from those options.

>I've not had any cloud storage service die or damage my files
because you obviously haven't been using many or for a long time
>$4 per TB a month
let's see...
i have over 30TB of data which i've been gathering over the years
30TB * 4$ * 12 months = 1440$ every fucking year
you have any idea how many hard drives i could buy for that?
and most of them have over 15 years and still work

There are good series and there are bad series, too.
We had a big batch of new PCs at work back in 2002, most equipped with cheap, noisy 20GB Maxtor drives. I don't remember any of them ever dying, a few of these PCs still soldier on 14 years later. A dozen more expensive PCs had 40GB IBM drives, and all those died in less than three years.

Do you really have 30TB of irreplaceable data? Chinese cartoons don't really need robust storage.

it's all kind of stuff. animu as well
still, i would have to pay to keep them on cloud but now they're chilling on the shelf in my room

Archive Tapes

If you need shit to last 5-10 years, you buy an SSD or HDD
If you want shit to last until a company dies, you go cloud.
If you want shit to last through the apocalypse, you go with magnetic tape and a cave.

Magnetic tape is reliable but not THAT reliable, the magnetic domains still erode slowly over time.

If you want apocalypse proofing, you need laser-etched glass plates or something like that.

>you go with magnetic tape and a cave.
>not Protoss archiving technology

HDD definitely!

I have a teletype with a Baudot punch tape add-on, and an ISA card that can interface with it. Should I use this for backups?

SSDs are based on small charges, if you don't run a charge through it for years it data will probably start to decay.

I'm super scared since one of my HDDs died before I backed up some important shit, I will need to take it to some of those specialized recovery business and it's probably cost me between 100 and 300, but it's better than losing work and life stuff.

Anyway, I have 3 HDDs where I usually store random info, and also each one has a common backup, so if one dies, I replace it while the other 2 are (hopefully) still working.

I think the most important thing is to keep in mind that storage is not perfect, and redundancy is key.