SPARC servers also being killed.
>Solaris being canned, at least 50% of teams to be RIF'd in short term
>All hands meetings being cancelled on orders from legal to prevent news from spreading.
>Hardware teams being told to cease development.
>There will be no Solaris 12, final release will be 11.4.
>Orders coming straight from Larry.
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>1 month ago
>a new version was released since then
>everything still normal
Fake and gay. Sage.
They're saying the layoffs are coming in mid-January.
illumos (and derivatives like SmartOS, OmniOS and DelphixOS) are still alive and will continue to develop.
For anybody who doesn't know Solaris was briefly open source and was forked to illumos where all the important work was done for ZFS+Dtrace+zones, basically everything that made Solaris still valuable after they closed source.
If you want a server operating system that will run a private cloud in the worst conditions possible then look into SmartOS. Zones + ZFS + fault management architecture (fmadm(1M) / svcadm(1M)) make it possible.
You can drop OpenBSD firewalls in front of it and use Relayd to load balance, and you can still run linux binaries if you want with lx containers still giving you access to native Solaris programs with it.
SmartOS is by far the best server OS that exists (DTrace!) in 2017 and is what Solaris should have become but yeah, Larry is a bond villain so never happened.
>implying Larry Ellison won't find a way to sue Illumos
He hasn't so far even when all the top Solaris developers defected to Illumos but if they shut down Solaris completely then you never know. That Solaris/Illumos kernel is still the best anywhere it handles low memory situations no problem, and is designed from ground up for performance testing and debugging in order to quickly find problems when you log into a content delivery network of a thousand servers and need to discover what is eating up all the CPU since the log files have been thrashed with garbage.
Any kind of missile critical infrastructure I would be running Illumos
Oracle pretty much ruined everything Sun worked on/towards. What a god awful company.
Oracle is evil, thank god libreoffice split from openoffice when they did. Imagine what openoffice would be today if they didn't.
Sparc M7 on desktops when?
Bryan Cantrill's comments on Sun and Oracle.
It should also be noted this is still rumor as Solaris is the only proprietary system for massive scaling like 16+ socket workloads. I find it hard to believe they would drop that considering kernel.org developers at most are working on 1-2 sockets these days. The largest Linux scale-up server is the new HP Kraken. It is a redesigned old Integrity Unix server with 64-sockets. The x86 version of the Integrity maxes out at 16-sockets only. Other than that, the largest x86 server is vanilla 8-socket servers by IBM, HP, Oracle, etc.
If you want massive sockets (ie: full enterprise big computing) you're running Solaris or one if it's forks like Illumos.
it has a bunch of fuckhead pajeets running this project into the ground for a long time now, and some crazy german guy trolling their mailing lists.
What did Solaris have that other *nix operating systems didn't?
right..
does smartos' kvm port support AMD yet?
SPARC was never a good ISA anyway. The whole shifting register window thing was a complete dead end. Too much added complexity on both the hardware and compiler for dubious at best performance enhancement.
The death of Solaris on the other hand is a shame.
Now I have to wonder what did Oracle get out of buying Sun. They failed to get any money by patent trolling with Java and the hardware and operating system of Sun aren't making money either.
>Other than that, the largest x86 server is vanilla 8-socket servers by IBM, HP, Oracle, etc.
You do realize the SGI UV 3000s scale to 256 sockets with Xeon E5-4600 chips?
OpenIndiana's time is now!
MAKE SOLARIS GPL
MAKE SOLARIS GPL
MAKE SOLARIS GPL
This is never going to happen.
Larry Ellison personally hates GPL.
Just use AIX
No mention of Open Indiana?
Doesn't that require some custom backplane that creates massive bottleneck in inter-processor communication?
Lots of features in Solaris were CDDL, but unfortunately GPL is compatible with actually free licenses, so Linux gets fucked on such great things as dtrace and zfs being in the base system. Oh wait, Linux doesn't even have a base system, so Linux gets fucked again.
lol linux.
There was a story about how Solaris development lead specifically asked the management to use a non-GPL compatible license to make sure Solaris features don't end up in Linux.
dog in the manger
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>[18] Danese Cooper (2006). OpenSolaris and CDDL discussion at Debconf 2006 (Ogg Theora). Event occurs at 27:26. Mozilla was selected partially because it is GPL incompatible. That was part of the design when they released OpenSolaris. [...] the engineers who wrote Solaris [...] had some biases about how it should be released, and you have to respect that
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Hearsay, then.
Is it Jörg Schilling???!?
Also, according to your very own source, they wanted it because the GPL license isn't free enough, not because they didn't want it in Linux. Linux can use CDDL software (see zfs for linux), it just can't be part of a default, because GPL is too restrictive.
Must be - although I don't know anyone else but Bryan Cantrill at Illumos, and he mostly has great warstories from the Sun days that he's shared on BSDNow.
>great warstories from the Sun days that he's shared on BSDNow.
Any specific links?
Actually, thinking about it, Bryan Cantrill might very well be responsible for Sun going with CDDL rather than GPL, because he has been very outspoken on this very subject before, using words like "anti-collaborative" and "viral": youtube.com
Which, I might add, are quire mild, considering they're coming from Bryan Cantrill.
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He's a great guy to hear stories from.
>hurr GPL is evil, hurr we will never GPL
5 years later
>his code dies because it can't be used on Linux won't take it into the kernel upstream and distros won't touch it because it means they would need a full-time team just integrating CDDL code with the current Linux mainline
dtrace lives on fine having been long-since adopted in FreeBSD and Illumos, Linux is even having to adopt it through a port-rewrite, because it's the most powerful kind of debugging tool there is, and once you've used it you can't go back to gdb (lol gdb).
It just can't be in the base system, if there was such a thing (lol linux).
It being dead is better than giving linux a boost desu
Kill yourself desu~
>being this mad
lol
You're damn right I'm mad at idiots.
There's idiots everywhere, it's too much effort to be mad at all of them all the time.
For me, it comes without effort.
Apathy is where it's at.
Any apathist will tell you.
More likely, they can't be arsed.
...
Larry is a true 007 super villain
Now to be fair chip manufacturing is an expensive process, it's not really surprising that they'd want to phase out hardware design. Killing Solaris is just disgraceful though. They could have just released it under a BSD or GPL or any other free software license but they'd rather it just die out.
That wouldn't be the Larry Ellison way.
Great one, faggot.
Unless you've threaded Sup Forums because you're a fucking retard who can't pay attention, none of that conversation is any different than what happens at smaller image- and text-boards all over the internet. >>>/reddit/, newfag.
The idiots who thought CDDL was a good idea deserve an special place in hell.
GPL is one of the reasons Linux gained traction, I accept people have different opinions but denying facts is just idiotic.
I would switch to OpenIndiana, it just has no packages.
lol linux
It replaces the chipset with its own.
>inter-processor communication?
inter-processor communication already has a massive bottle neck, which is why applications designed to scale are numa aware.
Of course Solaris had to be canned, who in its right mind would let Jewracle in charge of OS support and maintainance? At least, Sun didn't try to squeeze every shekel from their clients, maybe that's why they got eaten by Jewlarry in the first place.
>It replaces the chipset with its own.
>some massive cluster of ultra-high-end FPGAs that requires liquid cooling and costs $400K+
don't most people who care move to either illumos or freebsd
>FPGAs
ASICs - NUMAlink 7
>costs $400K+
The CPUs alone cost more than that user
>TheLayoff.com is a simple discussion board for all of us who would like to learn more about the rumors or possibility of job cuts in our company.
>rumors
into_the_trash_it_goes.com
God fucking damn it, I can't read NUMA without thinking of that stupif fucking song. And the worst part is, I work with this shit daily, so it's fucking stuck in my head on repeat.
what song
Dragostea din tej
Oracle will sue FreeBSD to oblivion for integrating so many CDDL licensed things in the OS as soon as they're finished with Google
this is why development effort should be going towards BSD stuff instead
HAMMER2 instead of ZFS for example
Look into NetBSDs Pkgsrc: pkgsrc.org
No need to thanks me. It is as good as it gets. But is is far from perfect :/ I should be enough for everyone
>it got so bad it has to use NetBSD's repo
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ORACLE MAKE SOLARIS GPL GODDAMIT!!
lol idiots
But hey solaris is sooo much better that you don't even need packages!!! Lol linux!!!!
Oracle can't sue FreeBSD nor Illumos for integrating "so many" CDDL licensed things, that's not how open licenses work - especially not considering it's only zfs and dtrace, and both have changed considerably since they were opensourced.
We can have both, there's no reason to only have 1 CoW filesystem as that won't have the effect often cited for only having 1 project, ie. that it'll drive all developers to work on 1 thing.
Mandatory video whenever anything about Solaris comes up: youtube.com
Linux doesn't have this problem
What does Oracle even do?
I have not seen them do anything but completely crash Sun's hardware, ruin each and every open source project they have under their control and lose court battles.
>DTrace
Must admit this is a really nice feature which is why I use OS X.
Oracle isn't evil at all. They are a business which needs to make profits. Learn the difference.
CDDL gives them an irrevocable license to use the software. Oracle can(and has) changed the license so its no longer free but the existing free implementations of the software are permanently free for anyone to take as long as they abide by the original license terms.
That is exactly the purpose of free software licenses.
>CUDDLE
>free
This. MySQL wouldn't be half as bad these days if it weren't for oracle's fuckery.
All copyleft and permissive licenses are free software licenses. CDDL is a weak copyleft license modeled after the first revision of the Mozilla Public license.
>cuddle
cute.