This thread is about the appreciation of watches...

This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch.

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>tfw you'll never be able to afford a Datograph
why bother living

Vietnam era Timexes are cute

4th for long forgotten Swiss brands

timex had some neat little watches back in the day.
i really like the roulette dial (pic is a recent quartz reissue).

New laptop, same old cheap watch.

Just ordered one of these, kind of a thick bitch but I can live with that.

looks nice m8

>"""new"""

15mm is not bad for a chronograph, and the price for that watch is not bad at all for what you are getting.

The Seiko 8rXX absolutely shits on the Valjoux 7750. Are there even any other column wheel chronos available cheaper than an El Primero powered Zenith?

New to me and in damn good condition.

seagull ST19

Nigger pls

What was your first watch Sup Forumsros?

Neat. Wasn't aware that the ST-19 was a column wheel design or that it is fact a Venus 175.

If Seagull was willing to put in the care and attention to manufacturing, assembling and QCing them, that would be awesome.

Still, the 8rXX appears to be the only automatic column wheel chronograph movement cheaper than the El Primero.

thicc tight and solid 15mm

This Swatch irony chrono I got for my 11th bday back in 2004, I sold it two years ago and bought an Amphibia though.

>bet all on quads to be on the right time
>strike out
Just like the design of that watch.

>If Seagull was willing to put in the care and attention to manufacturing, assembling and QCing them, that would be awesome.
For sure. Unfortunately, they're making them down to a price. Nobody buys expensive chinese things.

that's damn thicc
almost steinshit levels

Fuck you, I'm big and beautiful!

Automatic chrono movements are inherently thick, there isn't an easy way to get around it

>11 in 2004

Underage b&

The easy way is to not make them automatic

i have bad news for you
2004 was 50 years ago

>Sir mind pocketing that weapon or I will have to confiscate it
>What do mean?
>that "watch" on your wrist
>Oh no, this is steinhart, real german swiss quality timepiece
>Stop resisting!

THICC

The one, the only

Even that doesn't help much, the vaunted moonwatch is still 14.3mm thick.

a very shit digital casio
the first watch i bought myself was a seiko 5.

believe it or not.

lost it at age of 13, when the bracelet snapped during a hike.

Sistem51.

A plastic escape wheel and pallet fork. I haven’t seen anything like this in even the cheapest Chinese movements, and I think every self-respecting Chinese engineer wouldn’t want to put something like this into a movement. Only the Swiss dare to go where nobody has gone before, and manage to construct the crappiest mechanical movement ever made. Congratulations!

Some terrible one I inherited from my grandpa. Runs way too fast, but 6-year-old me thought it was fucking awesome. Going to take a pic of it tonight.

That is the quintessential first watch I had the same
I had it for the whole of middle school

i had a couple of cheap broken watches when i was a kid.
i took them apart and later threw the parts away when i realized putting them back together was hopeless
as far as working watches goes - later, i had a couple Texas Instruments digital watches and a little later i had a cheap pocket watch - these were all gifts from family members

Mickey Mouse watch in the 80's

This classic, I had my bike and locker combinations in it and my friends' phone numbers. I went through three as I grew up, the shitty lugs and straps tended to break.

One of those watches that teaches you to tell the time. I can't remember the brand but it looked like this.

why, though?

how much could it cost to make that piece out of steel or even pot metal?

it's assembled entirely by machines. i'd assume making a regular, jeweled pallet wouldn't be possible.

Yet despite all the flak it took it's higher quality than any chink watch.

Also
>plastic is cheap
>plastic is shit
Plastic sends shit to space you fucking nigger. Just say it's not a material that's noble enough to be used in your retarded idea of "haute horlogerie".

>Yet despite all the flak it took it's higher quality than any chink watch.
but that's incredibly wrong

>Plastic sends shit to space you fucking nigger.
but that's not the same plastic

>but that's incredibly wrong
It works and it's accurate. The average chink watch runs more than a thousand hours.

>but that's not the same plastic
You analyzed the plastic I take it. What are your results?

>any chink watch
>the average chink watch
that's already not the same thing at all.
also, where do you stats on chinese movements come from?

>You analyzed the plastic I take it. What are your results?
I just have working eyes and I know how different kinds of plastic look. This shit doesn't send anything to space. It just barely holds the batteries in your little cousin's furby.

>I just have working eyes and I know how different kinds of plastic look.
I hope you're kidding because you really have no fucking idea what you're talking about. There's some 800 major types of synthetic materials, and each one can be customized based on thousands of different needs.

You can't fucking know which kind of plastic it is. And don't think the ones used in space are more expensive or higher quality.

x-th for good enough

is it on ball bearings or what lol

i mean the jewels on the end of the fork

please, prove me wrong
i can't wait to see how this shitty plastic is actually super strong

>asserting that plastics can and have been used for any number of demanding applications
okay

>asserting that sistem51 is anything better than shit-bin trash
no

You're the one claiming sistema movements are shit because they have plastic parts. All I'm saying we can't know because we don't know what kind of plastic it is, but it's not necessarily shit, and you're the one acting like you know what kind of plastic it is, so please tell me more.

I myself recently replaced all steel wires and cables on my boat with simple plastic ropes: they're all lighter, tougher, sturdier, more durable than fucking steel cables, and I shouldn't ever have to replace them again.

Don't ever fucking underestimate plastic.

>okay
Not just "okay", it's actually used in situations where no metal alloy is suitable.

>no
So what's your in-depth analysis that isn't just based on the idea that "plastic is shit"?

i said "okay" as in agreement, dummy.

sistem51 is trash
a) because machine made movements are pretty cool, but it's marketed and priced as if it is a luxury movement
b) looks like shit
c) i doubt that the optimal friction on a plastic escapement can match that of a jeweled one
d) from what i understand, they run fine until they break

oh and also
e) fuck the swiss

kys retard

small dick coming through

Nice arguments fags.

shit Michael J. Fox is doing watch work now

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>it's marketed and priced as if it is a luxury movement

No, it's $50

Should I get a cheap soviet stopwatch to play with?

same movement is much more expensive watches, which is silly.

i think that the whole machine-made thing is pretty impressive and interesting, but not by swatch.

It's 150-200 afaik

Not that I would pay even 5 for one.

Vostok are fucking trash.

Actually currently 150€. Still, while overpriced, that's not "luxury".

WOW, you're an ignorant idiot.

90% of the parts inside your """""SWISS"""" watch are made in Asia

Sauce on the ray's strap

I think the point flew high above your head user.

it's not a casual watch, by any means. i have no better word than "luxury," and i think it is fair to say they market it as a classy timepiece

Too bad for you at least one person in this thread has some familiarity with materials properties.

Plastics have drastically inferior wear resistant to the overwhelming majority of metals, much less to the jeweled pallets used in any non utter garbage tier mechanical movement.

There is no existent plastic with anything like the wear resistance necessary to make it suitable for constructing a complete pallet fork, and you know it.

>i have no better word than "luxury," and i think it is fair to say they market it as a classy timepiece
It's above entry level and it's marketed as a high techology fashion mechanical "second watch", which is what "Swatch" stands for.

>the year of our Lord 1945+72
>wearing a watch


Lmaoing@ur lyfe rn senpais ngl kys your'eselves

Planning to buy this low-end Seiko because I tried it on at a store and it fits my tiny wrists well

Any thoughts?

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okay, in that case it is indeed 100% bullshit

Hell, are there even any plastics that would have sufficient strength and wear resitance to even conceivably be used for an escape wheel?

The Sistem51 is an act of utter contempt and derrision upon the consumer by Swatch.

>inferior wear resistant
If you knew that much you'd know there are different kinds of wear. Synthetic materials beat metals on many aspects depending on applications, which is precisely why they're used. They're at least certainly not only used in disposable situations, but also in very durable ones.

All of this is still speculation, and I don't really get your point here, if only there's one.

sure dude why not. seiko makes decent watches even for the entry level. and it looks pretty good.
metal bracelets on cheap watches tend to be a bit uncomfortable though. pulling hair and all that. you'd be able to change the strap easily if you wanted to though.

the escape wheel and pallet fork are made of a self lubricating polymer, which means that a throwaway caliber/watch will run accurately for much longer whithout losing accuracy. its a concept thats been around since the 70s and those movements are still running fine today.

I don't care about watches themselves, but I like the mechanisms. Is there a good in-depth book about internals of modern mechanical watches? About how it's designed, manufactured etc.

but it's not replacing metal here, it's replacing synthetic rubies.
please just kill yourself already.

Bullshit. There is no existent plastic remotely comparable to synthetic ruby in wear resitance. You are only pretending you don't understand my meaning because everyone else reading this thread isn't familiar enough with materials properties to call you a charlatan.

"Self lubricating polymer" aka it's plastic and will wear down and break eventually, since not even exotic metals have the wear resitance to justify being used for pallets in place of synthetic gems.

The escape wheel is plastic too.

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good shit
what tea is that

How does /wt/ feel about Linux watches? asteroidos.org

what about "smart" watches?

You can check out watchmaking by George Daniels

it will indeed break down eventually. but by that time it has long outlasted multiple service intervals of a jewelled pallet fork, which is kinda the point of it being a disposable movement.

this is the fucking sexist shit ever.

but also I think if I was on LSD I would have looked at this and been the inventor of Mighty Max in watches.

Maybe you should stop acting like "muh horlogerie" is such a high precision industry that requires the best materials and techniques known to mankind. Anyone with the three braincells required to say "no" switched over to electronic measurement to begin with, and the rest fucking blows away every watch manufacturer out there.

Maybe some day you should gaze into the eye of an inertial measurement unit or a star tracker, and you'll see how far technology can go. With plastic. Watches are a joke in comparison, and can certainly accomodate plastic parts. Everything else screams overengineering.

You have no idea the extent of what can be done with all kinds of synthetic materials, so please refrain yourself from claiming mechanical watches are the apex of human progress.

Is synthetic materials defined as plastics?

why can't you even understand simple sentences
nobody is saying plastic is useless, just that it's ridiculous in this particular application. this thread isn't about IMUs or space shit.
go back to masturbating with your amazing plastics and leave this thread if you don't want to talk about watches.

even Archie likes Seiko and said he'd even buy a cheap one if he wasn't a horology snob and was just some regular schmuck like you

In this case yes. Otherwise those rubies are synthetic too but then it doesn't quite make sense.

>just that it's ridiculous in this particular application
Still zero basis for it. Kill yourself senpai!

drop it into that tea

basic assam

your entire argument is literally
>You don't know if it's bad! I use plastic ropes on my boat, so maybe this totally different plastic is good for this totally different application!
even when every single watchmaker is saying it sucks ass in this application

Indeed, and it's well known that plastics are often used rather than metals in applications where resitance to plastic deformation and adhesive and abrasive wear resitance are critical.

Oh wait, no, actually plastics are NEVER EVER used in those circumstances.

Ah yes, we should definitely replace something that will need some servicing every 5-10 years with something that that will grind itself into permanent failure at some indeterminate point in the future and which cannot be adjusted in any way in the meantime.

I see you are trying to shift the argument away from the specific materials properties that plastics do not possess which make them totally inappropriate for use in a mechanical gear driven system where strength and wear resistance are the top priorities, however I have no intention of falling for your cunning ruse.

Please indicate which plastics have anything like the wear resistance or resistance to deformation to be suitable substitutes for metals in an escape wheel or most of all for synthetic ruby in pallets?

China is already perfectly capable of manufacturing mechanical movements without these idiotic materials choices for cheaper than a Sistem51, incidentally.

>China is already perfectly capable of manufacturing mechanical movements without these idiotic materials choices for cheaper than a Sistem51, incidentally.
so is japan

ST1940 is the auto though it's rare; I only know it in the Lewis & Huey Riccardo.

The fact that the st19 series is really a Venus in some sense is great because my watchmaker will actually agree to service it

>You don't know if it's bad!
Well then some retards in this thread arbitrarily say it's shit.

Who's wrong here really?

I mean, don't you believe the actual watchmakers who say it's shit?

>Please indicate which plastics have anything like the wear resistance or resistance to deformation to be suitable substitutes for metals in an escape wheel or most of all for synthetic ruby in pallets?
Duratron PAI. I hope you're happy about that though that will certainly not help you and you probably won't even be able to check nor bother to do so.

You don't know shit about plastics, don't judge.