Google is looking to replace Linux with a microkernel and Java for the apps with Dart (but with support for C, C++, Go, Python and Rust) in a new mobile OS. They're saying the it's for IoT but signs point to it being the new Android/ChromeOS.
>For anyone unfamiliar, Andromeda seems to be the replacement for both Android and Chrome OS (cue endless debates over the semantics of that, and what it all entails). Fuchsia is the actual name of the operating system, while Magenta is the name of the kernel, or more correctly, the microkernel. Many of the architectural design decisions appear to have unsurprisingly been focused on creating a highly scalable platform.
I was at work. My work is to sell lemonade. When suddenly phone was ring. "GPL is kill" "No."
Alexander Taylor
Will this deprecate Java is what I wonder.
Josiah Turner
Good, Linux is legacy trash anyway.
I'm already colaborating with the Redox project, it's the future open source OS for all our desktops.
Josiah Ward
How much datamining and telemetry do you reckon this will contain?
Ian Ortiz
Not long ago their target was Go against Dalvik. They just started to fix their JIT compiler and suddenly flush everything down the toilet? Their stupid CEO must really scared of Oracle, but this way they will be cucked.
Google hates GPL? Another reason added to use GPL/MPLv2.
Adam Murphy
Why not use linux or bsd?
Leo Parker
I was sitting at home eating foot skin when stallman ring 'you're 4 essential freedoms are kill' 'no'
and you????
Camden Collins
>Google hates GPL Is that why they're always releasing so much shit under the GPL?
Chase Parker
Oh, look, another project for Google to abandon as soon as people start using it.
Luis Bennett
Why stick to old OS design paradigms?
Noah Miller
Maybe NIH bullshit. Bionic is an openbsd fork.
For example? I only know "MIT" and other "support denial" friendly licenses.
Jose Morris
You are about 6 months late to the party and fuchsia is dead and finished. The lead developer went full SJW and gave up. We are waiting for an official announcement from google that they are ditching the OS like hundreds of pet projects they create each year.
RIP
Michael Evans
...
Liam Richardson
wtf is go safe?
Blake Reyes
>The lead developer went full SJW and gave up >SJW >Google
Really makes you think.
Chase Gonzalez
Rust fanboy myself, but Redox is guaranteed to be slower than Linux's perfornance, the drivers run in the userspace
Julian Bailey
go is safe ONLY when they officialy make android compatible go runtime
Justin Kelly
>The lead developer went full SJW and gave up [citation needed] >they are ditching the OS Same. Looking at github.com/fuchsia-mirror they have a metric shitton of commits across dozens of repos just in the last 24 hours.
Carson James
Why not hurd?
Charles Cox
They use it internally and the lead devs would keep working on it even if Google ditched it, so yes.
Matthew Cooper
>57 "developer"
At this point it's a hobby project compared to linux or freebsd.
Henry Morris
>For example? DeppMind Lab.
Chase Bell
>developer more like paid code monkeys
Ryder Howard
GTFO monolithicuck
Joshua Robinson
>DeppMind Is that like Being John Malkovich?
David Davis
Heh, such pre-Liedtke thinking.
This was fixed in L4 / 2nd generation µkernels.
We're in the third already.
Levi Gray
LMAO HURD.
They're on GNU Mach. That's a 1st generation µkernel. They failed to move past it.
David Bennett
>This was fixed in L4 / 2nd generation µkernels. How?
Nope, OS X uses XNU. Mach is only a part of the kernel and it has nothing to do with GNU.
Brody Sullivan
And so is IOS.
HURD/OSX/IOS are all garbage.
Alexander Rodriguez
Why no swift support?
Nolan Clark
Is Redox the new Ubuntu?
Cooper Stewart
You mean an artificial, forced fad hyped by a millionaire with no real passion for technology?
Yeah nah, Redox is made by simple real geeks.
Aiden Diaz
install debian netinstall if you want geeks.
Adam Morgan
>redox It looks like shit.
Benjamin Watson
>systemd No, thanks!
Lincoln Taylor
What's so bad about systemd?
Liam Ortiz
What's so bad about systemd?
Nathaniel Moore
Of course it does, it's literally in early embryonic stage.
Oliver Rogers
install gentoo
Closed source is bad, but too much open source is even worse. Mostly a meme.
Liam Miller
Red Hat's slowly taking Linux over. As systemd does more there are less non-systemd programs used, eventually there will be no gahnoo/Linux, it'll be systemd/Linux
Colton Fisher
>closed source is bad
Nolan Hernandez
The future of Linux probably looks more like Alpine than RHEL, with no GNU, no systemd and running in a container somewhere. The container host doesn't need systemd, either, and can even be FreeBSD.
Luke Torres
>i hate GNU Linux already used in containers and toybox/busybox are limited tools and can't be mainstream. It's not like their target was to replace coreutils, just be a lightweight alternative.
Thomas Cox
I did not say anything about my preferences or attitude towards GNU, only about what I expect to happen. It is evident that a lot of people running servers, i.e., the majority of Linux users, do not need more than BusyBox.
Joseph Cruz
Nice reddit copy pasta
Austin Smith
>new age vegetarian black cock sucking manlets dictating new paradigms >this is how it ends
how about no. We already have to put up with some random bitches that think that contribute by commenting stupid ass politically correct shit on peoples code and some non contributing attention whore sex changing faggots running amok.
Liam Ross
Majority of servers use glibc and coreutils. Busybox is for embedded. Alpine is just an option for the containers, but not really the best if it comes to compatibility or features.
Charles Cruz
You're the one who let Leddit occupy her mind, user. This story was at the top of Hacker News a few hours ago.
Gavin Lewis
If by "limited" you mean "not bloated", then yeah.
Zachary Jones
Dude, use it for awhile first and you will get it or at least check what is Alpine linux.
Jeremiah Clark
>replace Android dead on arrival.
iOS and Android are well established brands with shitload of 3rd party support. How on earth is google going to make up for it? Many tried, all of them failed to carve even the slightest piece of the cake.
Jeremiah Moore
I use OpenBSD.
Zachary Scott
I don't care.
Leo Miller
I expect servers to migrate pretty thoroughly to containers in the next 5-10 years. We will probably see a lot more static linking, too, so a distro's libc version won't matter as much.
Eli Howard
they used apache for most of their projects. What exactly have they released under gpl?
Luis Gonzalez
> Open source > not free I see why they're doing it.
Leo Green
Enjoy your bloat.
Gabriel Bailey
I bet it'll be more succesful than GNU/Turd
Anthony Jones
Thanks. :^)
Gabriel King
Easy to accomplish.
I'd say they're farther along already, by glancing at their repository activity. HURD was at no point this active.
James Williams
Kek
James Perry
Google has always hated Linux
Justin Wood
freetards wont support it, consumer will not care. again its a nobody's OS made by google, like chrome os
Owen Clark
Microkernels are superior. They don't have all the bloat and cruft that monolith kernels suffer from.
Angel King
Of course, since it's GPLd so they cannot just take, they have to give something back.
Justin Hernandez
More proof that communism is the superior way of life.
Jaxon Reyes
haha, no. Use larger botnet than Windows? I would use windows instead of this...
Levi Walker
>tfw they got farther than GNU in months top kek
Isaiah Myers
They have the "bloat" elsewhere.
If GPL is gommunismo, therefore it's a common good, why can't i do whatever i want with it. If the relicensing under closed source or linking with GPL incompatible software isn't allowed, and the top of that there is a copyright on it, why is it communism? The only quasi-communist thing is the public domain.
Lucas Jones
Now compare it to lkml as some retard want to replace it everywhere.
Bentley Smith
Sounds great. Dart is an amazing language that could use the popularity and the fewer devices run Linux the better.
Michael Green
Unless it can run all Android apps, it's dead. That said, even if it can, I don't see myself using it.
Lucas Brown
>why can't i do whatever i want with it Because you might not contribute back to it and keep any improvements you made to yourself or even worse sell them like the dirty little capitalist you are.
Now kindly check yourself into the nearest gulag.
Nicholas Morgan
>Google is looking to replace Linux with a microkernel OK, let's see how this go >Java for the apps with Dart (but with support for C, C++, Go, Python and Rust) Good, let's see if Java finally dies >in a new mobile OS. So Android becomes FuckCIA. We already knew that Android is full botnet. The question is whether forks can be made and installed on said devices without the botnet code.
James Allen
Considering Google's recent track record it will probably be a huge failure and abandoned in a few years. I hope it succeeds though, it has a decent license and I would assume Google would make it somewhat POSIX compliant.
Luke Phillips
I will not contribute anyway.
Asher Ortiz
they won't replace it though.
the chink hardware manufacturers barely manage to release code for linux. no one is going to waste time supporting some abomination that google will be able to close off within the next 3-4 years after like 4-7 companies publish their own nonfree, shitty ass fork of it.
Blake Morales
>decent license Enjoy your zero and unfixable support after 6 months. Didn't you learn from android?
Liam Ortiz
What does that have to do with the license? It's open source, it would be worse if it was closed source, that's all I was trying to say.
Oliver Stewart
>and Java
sage
Oliver Campbell
Came here to say that.
Also, I don't think we've really resolved the microkernel vs monolithic kernel issue, and I would like to see two dominant FOSS kernels -- one of each -- and let them battle it out over the next few years. I'd like to be able to choose either type and know it has a huge base of support.
Microkernels have had some performance weaknesses. But microkernels also tend to be more robust and secure. Time will tell which will be the more important goal in the long run.
Dominic Thompson
the permissive licensing ensures that your shitty phone will ship with probably hundreds of nonfree blobs that will likely break on ABI changes to the "FOSS core" and manufacturers will basically tell you to fuck off.
Carson Young
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Magenta, is in fact, Fuchsia/Magenta, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Fuchsia plus Magenta.
David Cooper
Check the toybox story and busybox license breaches. Google tries to destroy GPL from their system, to make the development cheaper rather fucking fixing the fragmentation. Don't be evil my ass!
Henry Gonzalez
And the alternative would be proprietary software, how would that be better?
