Finland in NATO

Reminder that Finland should join NATO. It has hundreds of pros and not even a single con.

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make finland russia again

we'd have to protect the baltics

Please remove baltics and turkey from nato.

Then we'd be a lot safer.

anus in penis

Finland = LOVE Russia = HATE NATO

No.

Russia can have it

No.

It's a shit idea, not only because we should be neutral. But because it's not as cost-effective as conscription.

Something something conscription is slavery blah blah blah, anarchist stuff, snide comment about the power hungry Finnish government blah blah blah, somebody calls me a filthy communist etc etc.

I think we already had this conversation before, if not with you, then some other Finn. That was the gist of it. Now you're caught up. You're welcome.

Also conscription should be outlawed. And NATO disbanded since it is useless.

conscription is fine if a country wants to do it in my eyes, but NATO disbanding, or at least us leaving it is something I wholeheartedly agree upon

Why would they join NATO? Finnish military is all Soviet made crap from the 1960's. They're too poor to modernize.

>conscription is fine if a country wants to do it in my eyes
But that's the problem, isn't it. It's always the COUNTRY wants it, and not the PEOPLE. It's not the country that wastes months if years of the precious little time they have on earth, but the people.
It's not the country that dies, but again, the common folk. It shouldn't be this way. Countries are for people, not the other way around.

Finns will come here and argue that they want it, but they've been brainwashed since birth to like it.

>To like it
I don't know about that but they more or less believe in it, but it is starting to fail creating a more masculine society it seems with the amount of rising liberals IRL and submissive boipucci Finns here.
but yeah I get your point but I don't really think the gubmint is using them as slavery either, as the Finnish conscripts lead fairly simple military years I imagine

But masuline societies are pretty garbage in general. Europe is one of the best places to live on Earth because we stopped trying to kill each other -for almost 70 years now! Can you believe it? Almost all European countries have stopped conscription, there are a few backwards nations like Finnland and the Baltics, because they're butthurt about Russia.
Anyway, civilized Europeans say no to violence and war, that's my point here. Valuing human lives and peace is a good thing.
>but yeah I get your point but I don't really think the gubmint is using them as slavery either, as the Finnish conscripts lead fairly simple military years I imagine
They're still forced to do something they didn't want to. That or they have to choose some alternative service bullshit, which is still meddling in their lives. I for one would never move there. If I ever have children I'd want them as far away from the army as possible.

what's wrong with the military

I just enlisted a couple weeks ago homie, will be fun

Do you unironically want to get shot? Why not do...literally anything else. Enroll in college. Party with folks. Read a book. Read a dozen! Learn an instrument. Another language. Buongiorno! Comó estás mi amigo? Mein name ist Istvan. Je voudrais un jus de orange. köszönöm szépen. Goodbye.
Who knows, maybe your life's passion is taming lions, or training horses. Maybe it's painting, or being a circus freak. You'll never know if you never try it.
Literally ANYTHING ELSE that doesn't involve inflicting bodily harm upon you or others.

I'm going to be an 03-- in the Marines, I want to kill people

Indiscriminately or ISIS specifically?

whoever the government says is the bad guy

What if they lie to you and you end up murdering innocents? *cough* Iraq *cough*

I don't know how's the situation on your border with Russia, but once you join NATO you can be sure to have Russian units placed just behind your border (maybe you already have, no idea desu).

Except that everyone should leave NATO.

Nato makes WWIII a little more possible.

then I will do that

I'm going to try to be a 0351 once I'm in so I'll get to play with some pretty neat toys, you should come along

Poland, if we dissolved NATO, would you be worried? I think it could be good for the whole world.

Sorry, dying for Israel isn't on my priority list.

Look at this cuckold. Look at him and laugh. I bet you think Hitler was a bad guy too, faggot.

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No can do sir, I'm a pacifist to the core. Also I'd advise you to rethink the path you're treading, but it probably falls to deaf ears.

Good luck.

Not going to happen, the population is too cucked by russia.

We're in a position that can be either bad or very bad geopolitically-wise.
After 1989 and until 2014 people generally thought that there's no interest for Russia to launch an assault on any country (directly or indirectly). Events of Eastern Ukraine have proven otherwise and because of this we're spending more on the military. Being in NATO gives us "some" guarantee of military help (which we cannot realy rely on) and being in the EU probably makes us less appealing as a potential target because of economic ties with other countries that are trade partners with Russia.
I think we should be worried in case of NATO dissolution, the collapse of EU (e.g. started by Brexit) or America becoming friends with Russia. As much as I'd vote for Trump if I were American, his will to improve the relationship with Kremlin means no good for us here in Europe. The US wants to focus on competing with China on the Pacific and Indian Oceans now and seem to want to withdraw land units from Europe. Striking a partnership with Russia would allow that and leave us vulnerable (we obviously have little chance in open conflict 1v1).

If we are allied with Russia AND Poland, why would Russia invade Poland?

We wouldn't just allow them to do something like that.

The better question is why the fuck would Putin invade Poland.

They don't need plumbers.

You guys are so paranoid. The sanctions are still in effect. They are bleeding Russia dry economically

Peace isn't any fun
and plus I'll get hazard pay, and many Americans should consider themselves lucky

not many people in many countries get to fight anymore, war isn't very common, you should feel happy for me

>If we are allied with Russia AND Poland, why would Russia invade Poland?
They already have a Baltic port in Kaliningrad, so I can't think of any reason for now. Maybe preemptive strike to deter USA from further manouvers in Europe (there have been some news about a scenario of nuking several European capitals). Keep in mind they're scared too. And pretty unpredictable. Their economy is weak so more (non-nuclear) conflitcts could give it a temporary boost and unite the nation.

Why is this hungarian a fucking cuck when his country is so based? It's not fair I should be born in this progressive ass-country and you there.

Finland should take over Europe not join the European joo

Because he's literally a cuckold.

Only a cuckold opposes conscription.

This burger is right. You should all just surrender and join the khanate willingly, we don't want to spill white blood.

Is this a warning of some kind? :^)

Fuck off, stupid cunt.

I never understood the nato hate meme.
Must be some kind of an automatic reflex from the time when socialism was all the rage and upsetting russians meant the end of finland as we know it.

Or the fact that we're smart enough to see NATO for what it is; The iron fist of the world bank.

You think it's coincidence NATO ignored Gaddafi for decades, but went for him the moment he announced monopoly-money doesn't cut it any longer and he wants gold for his oil?

Good fucking goy.

>sweden
>progressive

Not with that sharia police and no go zones you have there, you're not.

*tinfoiling intensifies

Nice ad-hoc faggot.

Consription has nothing to do with Nato membership.
In fact all Nato members have had consription for most of the time NATO has been a thing, most euro members abolished it just a decade ago.

Also, neutrality has a pretty poor record historically. Only a naive fool thinks that small unallied nations are left alone in the event of a major conflict.

Fuck no.
I want nothing to do with the retarded dick waving contest between Russia and USA, that Nato is part of.

Leave us the fuck alone.

Pacifism is a weakling ideology.
If you aren't willing to fight in order to defend yourself, you will be exploited by those who aren't such gigantic manginas as you.

Why should we join an alliance that serves none of our interests?

Any Finn guys left here?