Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook). ---- If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance). Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models: T420 - 14", normal size X220 - 12.5", ultraportable ---- Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops) >Used machines are plentiful and cheap. >Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet. >Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels. >Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models. >Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop. >Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain. >The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad. >Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support. ----
Should I max out the ram on my x200? I'm doing pretty well with just 2GB and 4GB swap on my SSD. I've even tried to trigger swap thrashing and I had like 40 chrome tabs open to make it happen. I never do that.
Adrian Richardson
Since the old thread is probalby dying:
Cooper Ramirez
Reposting from last thread
Lincoln Green
What makes you think software projects need lots of hardware specs unless your software actually requires those specs, like a video game?
To cut down on compile time, use a build system like make and rebuild only the object files with changes and relink instead of completely rebuilding your executable from scratch.
If you're actually at the point where compiles take several minutes, you will have a compile farm for this purpose.
Brayden Mitchell
Try compiling CLANG in debug mode with less than 16 gb of RAM. It will fail during linking. Honestly it will only work with 16 if you're really lucky.
Seriously, go try it.
Landon Phillips
COMPILE FARM
Jayden Smith
I AM EMPLOYED THROUGH SCHOOL SO THIS I'D RATHER NOT USE THE COMPILE FARM
Dominic Peterson
Thinkpad 13 2017 USA launch imminent
Jason Hughes
I recently replaced my X220 TN screen with the IPS panel. It would be a shame if the old panel went to waste though. Maybe I'm gonna do some DIY stuff with it. Does anyone know which controller I need for the screen?
Eli Sullivan
Buying an X220 but noticed the battery manufacturer is Sanyo, heard there was a huge recall for these? Safe to buy? Saw that Lenovo offered to replace these for free but I doubt I can do that as it's used
Ryan Fisher
w530 with i7 3720qm should suffice, it supports up to 32gb of ram and the 3720qm is barely any slower than the 6700hq in modern quad core laptops
Jack Walker
I haven't used anything but Sanyo batteries since I got my T400 5 years ago. Never experienced any problems.
Luke Brooks
You have ZERO (0) reason to not own a W510
Brandon Nelson
Well, what if i told you that ""W510"" you like so much was -73.12$ more expensive per GHz than the T510 you seem to have problems with.
Would you STILL prefer the 510 over the 510?
Aaron Russell
>implying a 15" laptop doesn't make you look like a sperglord
Nathaniel Brown
T/W510 was the last perfect ThinkPad. T/W520 was good but the screen got too small from then onward
Christian Jones
510, 520, and 530 all have the same screens you dingus
Camden Davis
Sorry to break it to you but there's no justification for a laptop to be larger than 12". That's pretty much the size at which you can get a full size keyboard. Some will manage to put a full size keyboard on an 11". That's even better. Everything larger is retarded and should be replaced by a desktop.
Michael Taylor
13*
Tyler Martinez
>scrape off screw sticker >it flies 5000 miles away
Why the fuck is it so expensive?
Nolan Edwards
Nope. As long as you get a full size keyboard it can't be small enough. I wish they were still doing the butterfly keyboard. That could bring size down to 9" possibly.
Andrew Gray
Just put a piece of black tape over.
Ayden Morris
yep, sorry to break it to you, but 13" is actually the largest size you can get. Some will manage to put a full size keyboard on an 12". That's even better. Everything larger is retarded and should be replaced by a desktop.
Jaxon Harris
Should I buy a x220 or a x230? It's my first thinkpad so I have 0 experience with the 7 row keyboard. Would x220 be good for anime and weebshit games(shmups,melty blood,VNs)?
Angel Russell
Actually, you're wrong. See this? This is an X201s. It's 12" but it's 16:10 so it's narrower than a 12" 16:9 laptop. If you were to crop the vertical space on this machine to make the screen 11" with a 16:9 aspect ratio you'd still have the full size keyboard. Nobody is doing it but it is possible and if there was a laptop with Thinkpad build quality, an 11" screen and a full size keyboard.
Chase Turner
x230 is much better for real usage. The chiclet keyboard really isn't bad at all. I personally like them. Make sure you get an IPS screen
Anthony Peterson
I've been a 7 row advocate until I tried a new 6 row keyboard on my new X230 last week. It's great. Not nearly half as bad as some people want to make it look like. The build quality is even better. The X220 keyboard gives in quite a lot when you press the volume buttons, the X230 keyboard doesn't. Also the X230 isn't that much more expensive while its performance is far ahead of the X220.
Dylan Parker
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Ian Robinson
Who the hell calls that to be a "full-size keyboard"?
Cooper Roberts
It is. It's the exact same that they use on the larger models. They don't compromise on anything with this compared to their 15" models.
Colton Sanders
>They don't compromise on anything Where's the number panel?
Nicholas White
A numblock isn't necessarily part of a full size keyboard. On a laptop it's not only unnecessary but also a major drawback in ergonomics. A numpad forces the whole keyboard to be offset. On a laptop it's crucial to have a centered keyboard. You don't see a lot of laptops with numpads for that reason. The ones that have it like the current 15" T series Thinkpads are often criticized for it.
Jonathan Wright
Anyone have the x220 tablet? I might buy one off a mate just to keep track of my websites
Ian Butler
A full sized laptop keyboard is defined as follows:
>all alphabet keys a desktop keyboard would have >numeric top row >12 function keys on top >function keys like return, backspace, ctrl and so on present >size of keycaps somewhere close to desktop sized keyeboards. (you can argue at which point keycaps are large enough to make it count as full sized but it's somewhere around 10mm squared for all alphanumeric keycaps.
You can't really go wrong with it especially if you're buying it from a friend because that way you can inspect it before you buy and see if there's anything wrong with it.
Sebastian Thomas
It's where it belongs: on a desktop keyboard. A number pad does not belong on a laptop. Lenovo have made current 15 inch Thinkpads unuseable with their shit number pad.
Samuel Parker
price check t530 Core i7 3720qm 8gb of ram 250gb 850 evo ssd b156w01 v.4 1080p screen great condition battery has less than 70 cycles
Zachary Garcia
My toaster is on fire.
New thermal paste needed?
Noah Ross
I bought a x230 for 200usd seller refurbished did I do good?
Jeremiah Cook
how can a dual core run this hot?
Wyatt Lopez
And if they were to remove some plastic and fill those bezels out properly, it could fit a 13" display. Wow !
Jaxson Myers
It's beyond me. Maybe because I don't have the A/C going in my house and the temperature outside is like 25C outside right now...
Connor Reyes
>A full sized laptop keyboard is defined as follows:
I'm not saying number panel is necessary for a laptop, but I'm saying that calling a keyboard without one a "full-size" is weird, to say the least. The vast majority of sources imply either a desktop or a desktop-sized keyboard by saying "full-sized".
Or give me an actual source on that because I can't find one.
John Cox
1. Would there be any thermal difference between all these processors? The TDP says 35W on all of them, but surely the lower end chips without SMT and lower clocks would run cooler right?
2. Does Ivy Bridge run any cooler than Sandy Bridge?
Benjamin Ramirez
I have a quad core in my t530 (keep in mind the HSF i have in there isnt even designed for quad cores only dual cores as its the non nvidia version) and under prime load it only hits 93 degrees and its still clocked at 3.3/3.4ghz. Something isn't right
Ian Fisher
Not with the technology available when that laptop was made. They needed a lot of space in there for the excellent WiFi antennas and metal reinforcement.
Jayden Wilson
Still hot as balls, and it is sitting on a glass desk, plugged in, only YouTube and a few Chrome tabs, nothing else.
I'm not sure if the fan is broken or what. TPFanControl has the fan spinning, and I hear it whining under the spin of the fan, but I don't FEEL all that much air being blown out.
I may need to replace the fan.
Connor Morris
yeah it sounds to me there is something defective with the cooler. My 45watt 3720qm with that sort of load would be lucky to go past 55 degrees.
Isaac Diaz
These both take up less space than you might think, even back then. The only things taking up a significant amount of space are the hinges and inverter at the bottom, and webcam at the top. The bezels could easily be reduced by a lot towards the sides while keeping wifi antennas and metal reinforcement.
Brayden Reyes
IT'S SO HOT THAT THE FUCKING TPFANCONTROL IS REFUSING TO GIVE ME DIRECT CONTROL
Ian Moore
You can put a quad heatsink into a T530 that was originally a dual, right?
Aiden Peterson
if its that hot with youtube and a few tabs open what would happen if you ran prime?
Ryder Brown
i'm not sure, people say you can some people say you cant. But the intel only heatsink does fine cooling the 45 watt cpu anyway so im not going to bother.
Juan Wright
Is that a switchable graphics model? Those fuckers run really hot because a faulty driver will make both graphics cards run at the same time and heat up the whole computer.
William Brown
I don't understand what just happened... At all...
Are you fucking kidding me??? How the fuck does someone fuck up a computer that badly?
Which driver should I switch to, then?
Gavin Perez
Still hot, but not on fire anymore.
This is fucking weird, guys. Like, really weird
James Garcia
Just disable one of the cards in the BIOS, it should cool it down. Also, make sure the fans actually work. Open it up and clean the dust out. Also, if the fan assembly is easy to remove, reapply thermal paste.
Dylan Reyes
I would get an X230 over an X220, only reason you would want the X220 is because it's cheaper. The X230 keyboard can be swapped for a classic keyboard in the future if you end up not liking chiclet keys.
Luis Price
wtf.....
Jordan Allen
I like using Optimus. Would probably be fine running purely on discrete graphics, though.
The fan seems to spin, I'm just not sure it is doing anything to help.
Not much dust inside last time I took it apart.
Thermal paste ordered, should be here on the 7th. Arctic Silver
Landon Bailey
I'd also go for an X230 but anyone who's intereste should know that swapping the keyboard for an older one requires modification to the connector and BIOS flash to make everything work properly. This also means that after you've installed a legacy keyboard you'd have to flash the BIOS again to be able to use the new chiclet keyboard.
Hudson Ramirez
I actually made a vid on that exact thing, it's actually a pretty easy process youtu.be/sncnKB54c4g
Benjamin Torres
I got a x220, stock except for an IPS panel. I wanna get to upgrading it and have the money, what's the first big upgrade I should make? Any good articles or reddit threads about upgrades?
pic semi related, my current wallpaper
Colton Harris
I just mentioned it because it seems like a lot of people don't know this. There's a lot that can go wrong with that but if you're willing to take the risk of bricking your laptop that's fine
Chase Evans
Unless you run VM or game, chances are you will never exceed 2GB of ram. So spend your resources on something more important.
Justin Harris
Switching to dGPU helped a bit. But the damned thing is still hot at 75C
GPU is at 83C
It needs new paste. And possibly a new fucking fan assembly.
Dylan Long
any t420 user here ? I have some questions.
Zachary Watson
Then change it. It's like 30 minutes of work max.
Christopher Reyes
Yea or nay?
Asher Kelly
>>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
Question, does this also mean TP is the most *serviceable* when it comes to the amount of time and effort used to take these things apart? Name brand consumer grade laptops do have pretty decent service manuals and fairly obtainable parts, but the reason why I hate working with those is that it's a bitch and a half to get to the guts of the thing - i.e. when you have to replace a keyboard that's gone bad or your trackpad. Tons of tiny ass screws you have to make sure to properly inventory as you tear it down.
Most consumer-grade laptops require you to tear apart almost the entire fucking thing to get to its guts. I've read some enterprise-grade laptops are very easy to take apart and fix compared to their consumer versions (in terms of time spent). Is this true?
Connor Diaz
the heatsink is probably clogged. You need to take it apart and clean thoroughly.
Bentley Anderson
Have a T420 and thinking about an upgrade, maybe to an X2 something... Any ideas seeing as I'm a student.
Gabriel Taylor
specs ? do you like t420 ?
Gavin Jones
>X2 Do you mean an X2xx? In that case there's a lot of laptops to choose from. I guess you don't want an X220 because it's basically the exact same thing as your T420, only without a dGPU option. You could go for an X230. The 30 series is the newest one I can recomment anyways. With the 40 series they got rid of the dedicated volume buttons and build quality dropped extremely.
Nolan Ward
I'm looking for better specs and a better display resolution.
Overall I like the T420, its just slightly too big, battery life too low, and the screen resolution not good enough (when coding)
Kevin James
I want to buy one of them. do you recommend it ?
Xavier Young
The T420 is pretty good as an entry into Thinkpads, plus I got mine for £120
James Baker
You could stick to your T420
>too big yeah you can't really help that
>battery life too low new batteries don't cost a fortune. you won't get better battery life on an X series
>screen resolution not good enough I guess you got the 768p screens. there are higher resolution displays for the T420. 1600x900. you could swap it.
If you still want an X series with a higher resolution you'd have to look for the X240 or newer because the 40 series was the first one to feature higher resolutions than 768p on 12" models. I can't recommend those because of the terrible build quality though. Also the 40 series lacks trackpoint buttons if that's a priority. The 50 series is slightly better. Or you might want an X1 Carbon. These are available with 1080p displays, they're thin and light and battery life is pretty solid. The downside is that the battery can not be easily replaced. You got to open the whole thing up for that.
In conclusion: >X250 or X260 if you want T series features but in a small and light laptop with a 12" screen. >X1 Carbon if you want slightly better build quality and an even lighter laptop with a 14" screen.
One last thing: You might want to consider that even 768p means around 120PPI on a 12" screen. That means text will be pretty small. If you want to go for a higher resolution you would be forced to upscale everything which would result in the same amount of screen real estate you would get from a higher resolution, the only advantage being better image quality. Basically a high resolution 12" screen wouldn't really help you displaying more lines of text.
Nathaniel Miller
I live in turkey and electronics are very expensive here but i found a t420 around 700 turkish liras (155 pound) which is nice and cheap in here.
Jeremiah Fisher
Makes sense, I guess I'll invest in an SSD and a new battery.
Is it best to buy a new battery of Aliexpress if there are none on ebay UK?
Liam Gonzalez
> upscale Bullshit. 1080p without scaling is just fine for my 12" 1st gen Helix. It might be an issue on touch-only devices, but thanks Wacom. As for Helix itself, I do not recommend it. Way too many critical issues that are apparently common for the series, from driver compatibility (windows update and lenovo update tool both push sound driver versions that do not work at all) to build quality so bad internal battery comes off with slight shaking.
Henry Martin
I also guess the spec jump from Sandy to Ivy isn't great enough
Thats okay, what are the specs like?
Lucas Richardson
I got an X230 and I can tell you at 768p Windows fonts are pretty small. If the resolution was higher it wouldn't be readable. From a normal working distance.
Bentley Smith
From my experience is correct. If you got a desktop with the screen 1m away from you, you pretty much can't go beyond 100ppi without scaling. 24" 1080p equals around 90ppi. That's perfect for readability without UI scaling. On a laptop you're typically closer to the screen so 120ppi is kinda OK. In that case the small text is a sacrifice you have to make for a minimum of screen real estate.
John Stewart
they say i5 Intel cpu second gen. 8gb ram ddr3 320 gb hdd ans intel gpu. i will change hdd with ssd if i buy it but what do you think ? Is it garbage or is it ok for beginning ?
Luis Morales
I want to replace my x60t screen with one that'll allow me to read clearly outdoors with minimal glare. Right now at full brightness i can hardly see anything at all. I was thinking maybe an E-ink or Pixel Qi screen would be perfect but I can't find anything in a 12.1" display. Even if one did exist, would the installation just be plug n play so to speak? I know a lot of people like to go for the Boe-Hydis screens. How do those perform outdoors in direct sunlight?
Xavier Bell
>these Seriously, I'm under the impression that high resoltuion screens in a small form factor are one way of enforcing Windows 10.
Brody Cruz
Why does my mouse cursor often freeze for 5 seconds after I do a two-finger scroll on the touchpad?
Tyler Cooper
t520 btw, with whatever lenovo mouse suite/driver windows 10 automatically installed
Aiden Wright
your trackpad should be disabled in the bios and you should be using the trackpoint
> £130 > 1600x900 I think you may find a non-broken one for the same price if you look at the ebay completed listings.
Kayden Cox
Been looking for a while, haven't seen many decent ones at this price. Got any links?
Ryder Miller
>just ordered an x60s for 70 euros fuck you americans and your cheap prices
that said, I could do better, I just really want an x60/x60s/x60t to put libreboot on. and at least I get a 1 year warranty for the hardware, so I can trust that it is not going to be broken or in very rough shape
Jeremiah Baker
For those of you who read a lot of technical articles / books on PDF and don't want to print 1000s of pages, what do you recommend? I was thinking about getting a used X1 Yoga with the OLED screen. Way overkill for reading tons of PDFs, but at least I can do some light work on it. Other options? I was thinking about something with an (AM)OLED screen for the long (around 8) hours that I often spend reading on a display. The newly announced Samsung Galaxy Book 12 is also an option, but it is going to be a tad expensive. Open to suggestions.
Kayden Murphy
15" is the minimum required for a usable full-sized keyboard.