IIT: Technology USA is way behind the rest of the world

I'll start:
Credit cards
Internet speed

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Do people who criticize USA's internet actually understand why tiny little countries in Europe can have better infrastructure?

yes. Easier to build from scratch with something new than to replace old tech.

fpbp

mongolia looks like a ripe place for this

Messaging apps. Can you believe murricans just use SMS and MMS for talking to each other. These people can't even comprehend why a group chat on something like whatsapp might be useful. Hell, they can't even comprehend why MMS is fucking dumb.

Sad!

Speed the US is behind, for the vast majority they don't have data caps.

Elections
>what do you mean I need an ID to vote, what kind of racist fascist government is this!?
>what do you mean I have to be at the polls on this specific day, I need a whole week to vote you racist!

>they don't have data caps.
Nobody else has data caps on their home connections, only on mobile.
Maybe Australia but their Internet is notoriously bad.

I'll counter:
> Germany
> litter in the streets, garbage can technology hasn't caught on
> everyone still smokes, parents still smoke around their babies, jury still out on 2nd-hand smoke apparently
> roving predatory IP lawyers on bittorrent
> all wifi is captive portal, broken
> regressive 20% VAT, technology unaffordable anyway

Infrastructure
Energy infrastructure
Health Care Technology (literally third world except if you are super rich)

German here, this is not true. There is hardly any garbage here as garbagemen are really well paid (at least in Hamburg).
Smoking is on the decline in Germany as well - but you sure have stupid people everywhere.
The lawyers thing is true although recently some of them have been put out of business for illegal ways of doing their work.
>All Wifi
You mean commercial wifis. Only tech addicts (=morons) need that, we have 4G almost everywhere in the bigger cities
>20% VAT
Yes. One of the best way of levying taxes as you cannot ever cheat on a consumption tax.

While you're at it: We also have one of the world's best health care systems (i.e. if you get sick, you get taken care of and do NOT land in debt).
We have a power grid that is so good that in the last 30 years there have been no widespread blackouts. The biggest one I have witnessed was in 2005 when a hurricane threw a tree into a power line. That was fixed after 12 hours I think.

Also, no capital punishment (as it does not deter) and a prison system based on rehabilitation instead of revenge.

Really, when I watch movies or tv series or documentaries that deal with the US I feel that more and more the US are becoming a 2nd world country - in parts even 3rd world, seeing some of the effects of the housing bust.

Europe really is heaven on Earth comparatively

>They can't do their taxes online
>They can't vote online
>They still use checks
>They don't have a standardized identification system so the easiest way to identify yourself is with a drivers license
>They aren't even top 20 in press freedom index
Really makes you think

haha thats cute, i don't have a data cap even on my phone which is 4g+ in every +- major city, and I get 4g country wide, even in the biggest shitholes

>cant do taxes online
Yeah we can
>cant vote online
Yes goyim we promise we wont alter the votes
>still use checks
So?
>easiest way to id yourself is a drivers license
So? Everybody has one, how is this even an issue?

>America
>Can move to small town midwest USA and escape the "diversity"
>houses are $50k for 2000 square feet in good condition
>Europe
>Can't go anywhere
>Slowly drowning in "diversity"
>small hut attached to other hut is $300k
>"b-b-but it's made of stone"
I think I will take America desu

Nah in Oz at worst we have 1TB a month and iff you go over speed drops to 8mbps.

Wasn't Hitler one of the first world leaders to be against smoking?
Did everyone start smoking again to prove they weren't nazis or something?
Also I agree with everything you said about America btw. It's shocking that they put up with it.
I mean they don't even have clean water in some placed because "it would be too expensive". Meanwhile they plan on increasing their military budget even further than it already is. Do Americans not understand the fundemental theory of government? Do they not realise that the government is there to serve THEM?

technology wise stores are behind on accepting chip. there's nothing with the credit cards themselves at fault. chip and signature and chip + pin is a bank choice, not a technology level one as chip is still used.

> There is hardly any garbage here as garbagemen are really well paid (at least in Hamburg).
Maybe they've cleaned Hamburg up since last time I've been there. No more dog shit on the sidewalks? No more pizza boxes and tissues strewn about on the playgrounds?
> Smoking is on the decline in Germany as well - but you sure have stupid people everywhere.
It's going to take a while. Germany has triple the rate of stupid people as the US by that measure. Does not help that a pack of cigarettes costs about as much as a glass of water at a restaurant. Speaking of taxes...
% VAT
>Yes. One of the best way of levying taxes
And yet here we are paying at least as much income tax as the US.
> as you cannot ever cheat on a consumption tax.
Tax billionaires at 20%, tax the homeless at 20%. Ok you got me there.

>Be American
>Invent opinions and vague, seemingly related facts about tax
>Despite not understanding what supply-side economics really is
>Or how said broken economic rhetoric implanted by Nixon and Reagan sharply increased unemployment, reduced market growth not related to arbitrary GDP that doesn't reflect economic and social stagnation, increased poverty in working and middle classes, inequality including in terms of total wage (esp. when accounting for inflation), the wholesale of American businesses and national resources resulting in a stripped national economy reliant on a soon to crash global economy, or silicon valley patents that stunt worldwide technological development thanks to America's whored out IP system where any billionare can buy the rights to an uninvented machine

GG America, your unregulated neo-liberalism and lack of education, especially critical thinking, may have ruined the world, but it will certainly ruin you

sms/mms suffice for most needs as now our plans are focused on limited mobile data and unlimited voice minutes/texts/MMS. iphone users use imessage with each other and non-old people will also use a variety of apps for better fidelity/quality. with unlimited messaging on plans and RCS coming almost every benefit of third party messaging services will be native.

i didn't observe too much garbage in the parts of germany i visited. a lot of people still smoke. bittorrent can't comment on. captive portal shit is annoying and VAT blows.

dude what the fuck are you on about.
federally and in most states electronic filing of taxes via software is allowed.
voting online depends on the state, but is typically disallowed to prevent voter intimidation (e.g. your abusive spouse sitting over your shoulder and making you vote for the candidate of your choice, or boss, or other person with sway over you).
almost nobody uses checks, very rarely. apps are used for interbank transfer and online bill pay removes most need for checks when paying people.
state IDs are a curse of the "muh big brother" and "Muh state rights people".
press shit, no comment, essentially accurate.

you getting proud about trash? ahahaha
hahahaha
srs or troll? because I'm from LA
you never read about the systems they got in northern europe? sweden imports rubbish for profit, cause they ran out. germany recycles double what we do from 100% of waste and we produce double the landfill from ours

easy to make up stories about places you've never been, if you've never experienced it

The US economy was at a peak during Reagan's second term. Do your research, liberal. Or is that too much like work? Awwwe.

readily accessible/non-partisan fact checker for every impressionable amerifat

New York appartment: $1M
European Castle with countless rooms:

>REAGAN BOOSTED THE ECONOMY INTO THE BOOM HE INHERITED
>ECONOMIC CHANGE TAKES PLACE IN MONTHS NOT YEARS
>I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO MY ESSAY MOM IM QUITTING COLLEGE
>I ALREADY HAVE 4 JOBS BECAUSE DAD HAS CANCER TOO BUSY TO READ MORE THAN CURSORY ECONOMIC RHETORIC OR WAT BUSH TOLD ME

kms whenever an american does anything

>cost to maintain apartment: cheap
>cost to renovate / maintain a castle: 10-20x initial cost

>one is in population center where mcdonald's pays more than the average annual salary of Poland where those castles are actually available
>implying anyone wants to live in an abandoned Polish castle

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inb4 buzzfeed.

dont listen to the post-truth pleb
witness the self immolation

>implying anyone wants to live in a chinese-built townhouse in midwest US, or any other inbred backwater with less than 100,000 pop.

200+ year old technology

I'm aware that Germany and Scandinavia make money by importing trash to incinerate. That's actually pretty cool, sure I'd be proud of that.
What is shameful is the litter. Cigarette butts are literarily so omnipresent that people there just shrug their shoulders. They don't even see it, e.g.
> hardly any garbage here
Then there's the bigger stuff. Döner wrappers, used tissues (god I don't even want to know), pizza boxes. It's like Europeans see the ground itself as a garbage can.
And dog shit. Americans know that Paris is infamous/legendary for the amount of dog shit on their sidewalks. If there were as much tourism in Germany, its reputation would be just as bad.

"the economy was at a peak" is such a vague meaningless term only an American politician could possibly say it straight faced.
Come back when you have your own arguments to use rather than "libruls ar bad because daddy trump told me".

>credit cards
>implying the shitty chip that takes longer than paying with cash to read is superior to the fraction of a second swiping.

>live in Canada
>150Mbps down best speed
>1TB Data cap

Yes Americans, tell us more about the unique difficulty of being a storied nation that creaks under the burdensome weight of unreconciled legacy systems.

We can't so much as dig the foundations for a house without running into archaeology fees and delays.

Truth is you're not really trying. If we've got electricity, the metric system and its possible to hear a court case in a language other than latin, you're not really trying are you.

Hey at least sandniggers aren't fucking our moms.

Luke, I am your father.

celsius is also based on the temperature at which water changes states you noob

>only on mobile.
I had literal all-you-can eat data on 3 in the UK. Along with latest iPhone for £36 a month.

>Health Care Technology (literally third world except if you are super rich)
Mexico is third world and we have better healthcare than them. Having an accident, a chronic disease or being pregnant won't make you go into debt.

No excuses. Finland is extremely sparsely populated having population density of only 16/km2, even less so if you don't take into account the capital region (for comparison US is double that at 33/km2), despite that over 99.7% have access to at least 150 Mbit/s no data caps.

And celsius starts at 0, while fahrenheit starts at an arbitrary number.
Same goes for the boiling point, 100 in case of celsius and arbitrarily chosen number in vase of fahrenheit.

There's a reason why NASA is using the metric system. People that are literary doing rocket science in your country have chosen for another system than what your average murrilard uses

having 30% VAT taxes helps pay for things.

It's easier to put in new infrastructure than it is to upgrade the old.

Except that all the net infrastructure is privately owned

german here, did you only visit northrhine-westphalia? It's germanys alcoholic-central.
also you forgot
>dosenpfand 0.25 €
mfw when some people can almost pay rent with the beer they drank in a month.

Finland is also tiny dude

>Internet speed

My local phone company offers uncapped 1Gbps fiber internet.

>voting online
Get that shit out

I'm from Poland (which would suggest I hate every single nation my own included) and yet I concur, their ordnung obsessed country just works.

At least on technological progress curve.

>They can't do their taxes online
Wrong
>They can't vote online
That's a good thing
>They still use checks
Only if you want to
>They don't have a standardized identification system so the easiest way to identify yourself is with a drivers license
You CAN get a regular state ID, but everyone has a driver's license anyway so there's no point
>They aren't even top 20 in press freedom index
Yeah that's actually a legitimate problem

The fact that you still use checks is so mindboggling. It's one of those cultural gaps between America and Europe that can't be bridged. Just like I couldn't possibly understand why darkies can fuck goats.

It's a habitual thing for old people.
Most people under 40 don't even own checks, and either use debit or cash

>Maybe they've cleaned Hamburg up since last time I've been there. No more dog shit on the sidewalks? No more pizza boxes and tissues strewn about on the playgrounds?

In very few streets you might find what you are describing (mainly the party places). Nowhere in a living area will you find this on a regular.

>It's going to take a while. Germany has triple the rate of stupid people as the US by that measure. Does not help that a pack of cigarettes costs about as much as a glass of water at a restaurant.

A glass of tap water costs nothing in Germany. Get your facts straight.

>And yet here we are paying at least as much income tax as the US.

In the sixties, income taxes went as high as 90% in the US. That was, economically speaking, one of the best times of the US. So, if anything, income tax (especially for the wealthy) should rise instead of going lower.

>Then there's the bigger stuff. Döner wrappers, used tissues (god I don't even want to know), pizza boxes. It's like Europeans see the ground itself as a garbage can.
>And dog shit. Americans know that Paris is infamous/legendary for the amount of dog shit on their sidewalks. If there were as much tourism in Germany, its reputation would be just as bad.

I don't know where you have visited, but this is again not the case for Hamburg, the second-biggest city in Germany. Sure, there is some litter, but it is by and large a very clean place. Especially for a city of its size. However, you are right that for example parts of Berlin are really dirty.


Please do not get me wrong though. We DO have our problems. Our country is far from perfect. But I think I would rather die than "live" in the US.

Mobile payments/money transfer. US is literally 10 years behind Africa ( M-Pesa and the like )

>credit cards

firstly, debit cards are way more responsible. Being able to spend without having money leads to irresponsible spending. Learn to take care of your finances instead of just borrowing without really even checking lending conditions.

>implying the shitty chip that takes longer than paying with cash to read is superior to the fraction of a second swiping.

It's not about speed. It is about security. Credit / debit fraud is practically unheard of here because you either have to input the PIN or sign when paying with your card.
So yeah, it is slower. But is your day really so busy that you'd rather risk getting your account cleared out (or even overdrawn to FUCK), that you really need to save the 5 seconds?

wait, are you saying that you shouldn't need ID to vote? what the fuck
Also, there is early voting open for 2 weeks before election day.

shit cars

OBSESSED

>tfw lived in germany for 5 years
>tfw wont be able to live there again for a while
fuck college and fuck america
Deutschland ueber alles

call me Jack from Lost, I need to go back

You are a financial adolescent if you don't yet grasp how crucial credit is. I used to feel the same as you. Then my boss, a wealthy man, had a talk with me.

He said, money in the bank is good. But credit is better. Your credit rating represents the establishements faith that you are good for your word. You need a house, or a car. They will give you the money if you are reliable. You want to start a business, you will start at a loss. You need that trust. Emergency happens? Having credit can make what could have fucked you over 100% into just an annoyance. Oppourtunity comes? Credit can make you a lot of money. Want a good job? They check your credit score first.

If you want to make a good living, the way to do that is work with the system. Not against it.

I live in Commiefornia and get 300mbs download and upload. Only good place about living in libtard land.

>bandwidth limit

god damn i hate america

That doesn't mean you have better healthcare you just have more socialism.

American healthcare technology is the best in the world. People who can afford it fly in from all over the world.

It's as big or bigger than many US states, dude.

The point that the problems keeping America back aren't unique to America is largely true, however it's also true that because America is one country (and largely federal programs are building and legislating things like infrastructure) you need to reach a national critical mass/account for the whole country (esp to win elections), instead of just reaching critical mass and taking care of logistics on a smaller scale.

If each state was its own country, because America is fucked, some would still have slaves, but others would be more like Europe, since a smaller population is needed to convince, and manage, than a whole continent.

If America is doing it so wrong then why isn't the rest of the liberal world at the wheel? Why does every powerful country in the world need to be socialist for socialism to work? Seems like if it were so functional Europe would be calling the shots.

Sounds like a crazy religion desu

#1 in making excuses for why they're not #1

> I don't know where you have visited
I'm not a visitor, I've lived in Frankfurt for a decade. I grew up in the US. I love living in Germany but the litter thing is real. Maybe it's gotten worse with the financial crisis (austerity, etc.), or maybe I've just noticed since having kids and dealing with playgrounds and public spaces in both countries.

>In very few streets you might find what you are describing (mainly the party places). Nowhere in a living area will you find this on a regular.
I find this hard to believe. I live in Frankfurt-Nordend. It's one of the nice living areas in Frankfurt, not full-on plutocrat like Westend, but artisanal-coffee-and-expensive-stroller nice. Still there's dog shit everywhere, you really have to watch your step. And the parks often look like someone dumped a frat house living room in there.

Oh and cigarette butts are really a lost cause. I don't even think smokers consider it litter, yeah just toss that never-decomposing poison anywhere.

> A glass of tap water costs nothing in Germany. Get your facts straight.
Some places do actually refuse to serve tap water. Most will just give you light hassle and want an excuse for you needing tap water. They want you to get the Apollinaris bottle for the table, it's €6.80/L. And if you just order "water" when they take drink orders, of course you'll get that precious little 0.3L blue bottle with a goblet, lemon wedge, and coaster for 2.80€.

> In the sixties, income taxes went as high as 90% in the US. That was, economically speaking, one of the best times of the US. So, if anything, income tax (especially for the wealthy) should rise instead of going lower.
Agreed! The rich are egregiously undertaxed. But VAT is as regressive as it gets. I don't get why all these European countries are considered so progressive when they have this Dickensian flat tax.

> Our country is far from perfect.
Nah, these are all luxury problems anyway.

The US is basically a bunch of cities with actual pop density linked together by long stretches of nothing.

I live 20 miles of road distance from the nearest real town, and that town is about 40 miles from the nearest "city", which itself is really just a glorified large town. The that town is 70 miles from the nearest actual city, Boston Massachusetts. Now, Boston is well linked to everywhere, but my connection and pretty much every other connection for my entire state is funneled through it. So my packets need to move 140 miles (225 km) through basically nothing but roads just to get to a connection hub.

So what can we do about this? Well we could roll out fiber to individual homes, but that shit is expensive and nobody wants to foot the bill. So what we have are old copper phone and cable lines linking the "last mile", and these connections are taxed heavily by the recent surge in usage cause by services like Netflix.

For $70 I get 50mb/s down, 5mb/s up, and it's a goddamn miracle it actually works at that rate. I've asked my provider about a higher rate, and they tell me the lines in my area are already severely overcommitted, and it'll take at least 5 years to change enough infrastructure out to offer 100/10. Beyond that the entire state's infrastructure will be burdened, so they can't give me any timeline for more than that.

But you know what I get for this "struggle"? I own a few acre of land for not much money. I have privacy and enough yard to do whatever i want with. I have forest 100 feet from my house. A walk through real woods is available any time.
Tradeoffs.

Really makes you think

That's what you get for not turtling like other nations.

US is like the nation equivalent of living paycheque to paycheque, buying shitty disposable/interim stuff to tide itself over till if can save up enough to buy the good version, except protip: you never get it, and it's largely due to those aforementioned habits.

Shut up retard

Full disclaimer, I'm a burger. But your analogy makes absolutely no sense. It shows a clear lack of grasping our various sociopolitical and geographical problems. I can't blame you for that if you aren't an American. I only ask that you read a damn book before laying such ignorant judgements on us.

>Austria
>Internet speed is dogshit
>half of the whole population smokes
>totally incompetent libtard government
>Sandniggers every fucking-where
USA here I come

>£36 a month
>tfw paying CAD$39 (£24) for unlimited data, including data and roaming in the US

>New York City
Wew, the rich kid retard hipster capital
>LOL TOURISM LMAO
>DUDE STATUE OF LIBERTY LMAO
Who would've thought that this place is expensive

>£36 a month
That's not really worth bragging about m8.

Internet banking

>My country will never band together to have a long term project ever again because we have the attention span of a 3yo, and no interest in delayed gratification.

...

Yeah, the five people who can afford it. Look at somewhere like Costa Rica. Nationalized healthcare for all, and a very large amount of people fly in from around the world to get treated at reasonable rates.

The importance of this is that no matter who you are, you can walk into a hospital and get treated. After you are treated, then you can discuss payment and/or insurance. It's not like in the US where you walk into a hospital and they ask you for a credit card first, instead of what's wrong with you.

We did the highway system and it's an absolute fucking nightmare to maintain. The only road I have to get from my home to the nearest major city is literally always under construction. I'm not being hyperbolic. Always. Under. Construction. That means large sections of road where we lose a lane or two and drop speed by 30%. Can you say congestion?

Glorious Japan got it right. They use
YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS
which, incidentally, is also the ISO date/time format.

Well, obviously being able to afford more should == getting better healthcare.

Just look at Steve Jobs! dude had so much money he could steal organs from people who could have actually benefited from them.

Any rational person dealing with international time uses the ISO format. I started preferring it when I got into databases. Now every other format looks like crap.

this. Take shit internet over sand niggers any day.

No, more money=/better healthcare. There should be a minimum standard. That minimum isn't giving all your people aspirin. That minimum should be access to all the same procedures as anyone else, access to organ donors, blood banks, and specialists in a variety of fields.

Sure you can pay more and get to stay in a comfy individual room, with your own TV and good wifi, that's perfectly fine. Those are luxuries some can't afford.

>instead of starting large scale rail projects, spend more on band-aid repair projects!
>need trendy bullshit projects like hyperloop to even get any support, because real solutions are boring

Hyperloop is meme-tier and we already have lots of underutilized rail. Nobody wants to ride the train for 16 hours.

Try harder.

while it would be fantastic to have an option besides fucking amtrack, passenger rail isn't viable for how the population density of america is set up

Kek i always use credit card when shopping online because i don't want to get jewed

Sure it is. The only reason it's not viable is because
>I WANT TO BRING MUH SUV!
>HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO FIT INTO THESE SEATS?!
and those aren't infrastructure problems.

Who exactly is in this demographic of people who regularly drive places 16 hours(by train) away? Sorry, but road trips aren't what's causing congestion on your highways.

I exclusively use my credit card(s). Yet somehow I maintain zero debt (... also have weird travel/rental insurance that I will absolutely not remember about if I ever actually need it). Checkmate atheists.

But hey, if people want to keep letting banks "take advantage of them" by letting them go into credit card debt because they confused credit with an emergency fund, by all means I don't mind if the banks tax stupidity.

Locked bootloaders on Android phones: Other countries get unlocked by default, In the US you have to be lucky if you can get one, and it's almost always on T-Mo or unlocked phones

So want Lineage? Uncarrier is your best option.

>Sure it is
it seriously isn't
there's no way to get to the train station when houses are quarter miles apart
there isn't a bus to take, it's not walking distance, it's not biking distance

you don't comprehend what it's like here, because it's foreign, you have no analog
there aren't "villages" of 50 houses clustered together, the 50 houses in an unincorporated city sprawl for acres upon acres of land

Technically you are incurring debt with each usage.

>Canada
There's your answer.
Wow, great argument, skid.