Anyone here use any nootropics?
Good/bad experiences?
What nootropics have people found to be actually useful?
I'm going to say Tianeptine sulfate for depression for myself, it's way more effective than any ssri that I've tried. Anyone else have good/bad results from Tianeptine?
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Bump for interest. Where to start?
bump fags
Well, depends on what you want to use them for, as well as what's legally available in your country. Also most legitimate nootropics come as bulk powders, you will need an accurate milligram scale to dose without risk (like ~20$ on Amazon, look up the Gemini-20)
But some good starters:
phenylpiracetam: stimulant & cognitive enhancer. Has a strong affect, no question of placebo. Makes it concentrating on technical tasks way easier and more rewarding, prevents me from getting bored every five minutes and checking 4chin/leddit/fb. dose: 150-300mg, once or twice a week (builds tolerance fast). Similar effects as piracetam (original drug, intended for everyday use, many people report feeling nothing as it has a very weak effect) and oxiracetam (more potent than the base drug, but not as effective as phenyl-). And a bunch of other anecdotally less effective racetams.
semax: mood enhancer & anti-anxiety, makes social interaction easier. Available as nasal spray that needs to be refridgerated. ceretropic is the most reliable source.
tianeptine (sulfate): fantastic ssri/antidepressant replacement. Has a different moa to traditional antidepressants, and anecdotally is significantly more effective. Doses are ~50mg once a day. Don't take more than 100mg a day, ever.
Be responsible, test with lower doses first, weigh your shit with an accurate milligram scale, with a resolution of 0.001g.
gingko biloba and caffeine.
>gingko biloba
what do you take this for, what are it's effects?
I can't seem to find any reliable information, seems to basically only have placebo effects?
there i bumped for you
i shall assume Noopept is related. seemed to be a favourite among mdma users as it was said to greatly amplify its effects. since last year's UK blanket ban on "legal highs" and similar substances i would assume you can only get it on the deep webs.
L-Theanine 200mg once in the morning and 2x at night for anxiety and chillmode
Caffeine 400mg in the morning, 200mg every 4 hours
Looking into trying some racetams and phenibut soon.
Technically in the uk, all "psychoactive substances" are banned. So all nootropics technically fall under this rule. I don't know what the penalties are for importing, you might get it through if the seller doesn't write the contents on the customs form on the package.
noopept is pretty popular, I never had any positive results though, tried it every day for a week and it just made me feel dumber.
Best racetam is phenylpiracetam imo, it's the one to try. Most useful one imo, don't take it every day, just every so often when you have a bunch of shit to concentrate on and do. Other racetams have less effects, many people report feeling nothing from plain piracetam for example.
>Sup Forums
noopept is placebo as fuck
also nootropics are for pussies
RC's is what you want.
Got a shit ton of 4F-MPH and that shit makes you really awake. dilluted it in glycole and glycerine and usually daily it 5-10 mg. Take it when you wake up or find benzos because you wont sleep for shit at night.
Just take Adderall dude. Amphetamine and meth are acceptable.
It's easy to a script. If you don't have a dealer, it's ez to buy drugs on the dark markets.
Of course, that's if you want to succeed. If you don't.. have fun mixing flowers and untested chemicals produced in dirty Chinese labs.
Word. Thanks for the rec. Theres so much FUD on racetams and so many, its hard to pick one to order. Have you tried phenibut at all? Is it recreational in your experience?
>putting chinese bathtub chemicals into your body. ISHYDDT
L-theanine + caffeine and creatine.
Caffeine only.
Looking for suggestions on something that can help me focus in. I feel like I'm all over the place and can't focus on anything for more than 5-30 minutes, so my workplace end up having to give me 6+ things so I stay engaged.
Sometimes a couple of beers actually helps me focus on something for a few hours.
Need something legal, of course. I don't have any friends who source anything.
Nootropics depend upon your centrally aligned star. It's important to know what kind of star you have before catabolically altering your neurofunctional brain chemicals. Simple things like sleeping all your way side can be harmful for that central positioning that oxygenates the inner crystals of your blood system, hence a malfunctioned neurotic signal. Any malformed signaling can really cause adverse and undesirable reactions to any nootropics since they act on the synthesis level of the brain. I advise reading online guides until you understand what star type you are and then can henceforth properly align your signals to react beneficially with the right combination of a nootropics stack.
Experiences: Theanine-caffeine combo gives a calm concentrated state of mind. Caffeine tends to give me really bad headaches, so I don't take it that often.
With creatine, i find that it boosts mental capacity for problem solving etc. I take about 2 grams daily, should not be a problem for kidneys at that dosage.
Is Creatine problematic to kidneys?
>For those with healthy kidneys: No.
>For those with impaired kidney function, it is highly unlikely but one should still check with their medical doctor.
FYI senpai
i think you're mixing up drugs and astrology
All is one big equilibrium
It's the law of thermodynamics in action
It might be problematic with the doses bodybuilders use it (up to 20 g daily). Meat-eaters get around 5 g daily, depending on the type of meat etc. The body also produces it, so i figured that low extra dosage will be at the sweet spot of causing no trouble, yet give some boost.
Also, bodybuilders usually use it for a period of time, not for a long period like I.
Gotcha. I take about 6g daily with my BCAA's and brotein.
small piece of advice, you are retarded
to put it in perspective, caffeine is considered a nootropic
There is no strong evidence that it works that I've ever come across. Its an old "new age" health supplement that for a long time people claimed improved memory.
For whatever reason some people don't metabolize piracetam, even when properly taken with choline. I started taking it some time ago, and I have good effect from it. Its like a caffeine or nicotine buzz without any of the downsides. I get that sort of magic silver tongue that happens after a couple drink where words just flow out a bit easier, so its easier to speak and get ideas across without having to pause.
Overall though the best thing I've ever happened across for brain function is eating plenty of vegetables, and exercise. Lifting a few times a week did more for me than anything else.
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anyone tried modafinil?
Only one worth trying, anything else is snake oil besides dexies or other shit thats been around for a while
how it works for you?
I did tons of research but in the end I'm still not entirely convinced, so I didn't get my hands on any.
What about LSD?
It works well when you havent had enough sleep, it's not so much a buzz but something that makes you feel like you've had 10 hours of sleep.
I've spent >$600 in total on Moda in total because i use it pretty frequently.
Your mileage may vary but it's gonna be worth getting 30 pills or so, just get generic I use modavigil.
Also might be important but if you have a fucked liver do not take these.
I looked into it mainly because lately I've had a streak of feeling like an lethargic shit and I can't work like that so I wanted something that'd make me more energetic and focused.
I guess I'll drop some cash on it.
Hope I helped. :)
well no because
>*brings the mic closer*
every 10 years the cells in your body actually completely change.
I was reading this article about how DMT can actually advance this process into only taking 6 years because your pineal gland - Jamie. Jamie, could you get that article up? yeah but it's because your pineal glands can actually make your cells rejuvinate faster... here we go
look at that...
yeah that chimp must be what? 400 pounds? jesus those things will tear you to shreds
It is pretty good, mind you I am legitimately prescribed it so not having it is comparable to not sleeping irregardless of how long I rest.
Redpill me on Modafinil
Its alright. Got a script for it a few years ago, and used the jewpon on their site for a free (or cheap, I forget) bottle. No euphoria, good clean energy all day. Got bored with it and never got another script.
You all people need help
Pretty good. I'm a big guy so I take 200mg. Most people are okay with 100mg or splitting the pill to 50mg. Effects are compounded with caffeine. Sometimes increases likelyhood of anxiety/panic attack. Good to combine with Theanine or Tea. Best taken in the early morning otherwise you'll be awake all night. Only do twice or once a week to avoid building a tolerance. Avoid pulling all-nighters unless absolutely necessary and never twice or more in a row. Don't forget to eat and hydrate.
Finally and most importantly, only take it when you have a plan of action. It provides focus but not motivation. If you've got bad habits, you can spend the entire day wasting time rather than getting any work done. Induces erectile dysfunction, don't fap while on it. Your dick will end up soft after 20 mins but you will have this compulsion to keep going and spend literally all day, I'm talking 12+ hours, searching for that "perfect video" while jerking your soft noodle.
So the same way you should have a good exercise routine going before even starting creatine, you should have a good study/work habit before starting modafinil, otherwise it will just enhance your procrastination.
>irregardless
i think you mean disirregardless you fuck
>tfw you find out ingesting BCAAs do nothing
HEY GUYS
YOU SHOULD TRY CRYSTAL METH
using nootropics is cheating
/thread
I'd like to recommend trying piracetam again to anyone that's written it off. I feel like most people who think it's a placebo are only reacting to the fact that it doesn't make them feel any different than normal, when that's not the point of it at all. Give it a run for a few weeks, and pay particular attention to your social skills (and problem solving as well if you have a good objective baseline. I've found that because of the way all puzzles seem easy once you've solved them it's pointless to try to subjectively quantify), bonus points for getting feedback from other people as well.
I have problems with blanking words all the time, to the point where a lot of times I just kind of fall out of conversations when I realize I have no way to vocalize what I'm thinking in a contiguous manner. I kept a tally of how many times I blanked words in a normal month, and then how many times in a month taking 3500 mg piracetam with breakfast. My results were striking: more than once per day baseline, and the only time it happened during the month using piracetam was on a day I was rushed and forgot to take it. Other people also commented on the fact that I seemed friendlier and more engaging, though it didn't make me subjectively feel any more cheerful or chatty.
Obviously my situation isn't typical, but I doubt I'm a magical unicorn born with a piracetam deficiency. Even if you're not noticing a pronounced difference like you would with stimulants (caffeine or even more stimulating nootropics like phenylpiracetam or modafinil), that doesn't mean it isn't working.
Do not fucking use phenibut. It's addictive and the withdrawals will wreck your shit. Just use weed if you're looking for a bit of chill.
Some call kratom a nootroopic. I dont know about that, but it makes me feel a bit more positive and everything goes pretty well when I take it.
Semax is nasal drops and not a spray.
Tianeptine works.
Modafinil also works.
Racetams are bullshit.
Amphetamine is king.
How's adderall?
speed feels goood.
What would you people recommend me? I am literally braindead, no emotions, no joy, no motivation. On the brink of suicide. Lazy af. e.g. a Sup Forums poster.
>inb4 clorox
from what i can tell, it works well in potentiating caffeine, as well as having a stimulant effect when taken alone. it's a pretty effective drug for me, whether or not it works for everyone, i can't tell you, it's cheap though, and you can try it out fairly easily. otherwise i just buy caffeine pills and chop em in half and that does the job for me.
asdasdasdasdas
how would you describe "the better version of you" from the past?
Nootropics are a waste of money. I have gone through a fuckload of stacks. Nothing comes even remotely close to the effectiveness of stimulants. Semax also made me start going bald.
Kratom is the only worthwhile 'nootropic' if the term is used really loosely.
I felt more joy which also made me a bit motivated, all the other shit was always like that.
where did that joy come from?
Ive got some Bromantane coming in sometime soon. What am I in for?
Hanging out with friends and gaymen.
Go hangout with friends and gay men.
Doesn't 'cut for me' anymore, nothing does.
like it sounds super lame but you have two options. pay a therapist some money so he can help you light a little fire inside yourself to go out and do things that make you feel good, or you take the hard road and try to do that all on your own.
you're never a lost cause.
I was seeing a couple of psychiatrists for 2 years, if anything it made it worse.
>4f-mph
Isn't that pretty much super ritalin? Also, hell yeah, that good glycole mixture.
>Sup Forums
>a non-autismo topic
I thought nu-Sup Forums wasn't real
It's just a meme. FOR NOW.
Don't try any of that shit because it's either some regular but overpriced vitamin or it's something that will affect your liver.
I take around 100mg of pure mdma because it's the best anti depressant I've taken and really helps with social anxiety and just generally makes me happy. Try that shit.
A psychiatrist ist very different to a therapist, and I'm totally with you when you say you didn't have a good experience there.
A psychotherapist works with you on yourself, on your own terms. They may refer you to a psychiatrist do give you supportive meds (if you want to), but more often than not, a psychotherapist works without the use of meds.
If you think it's worth a shot, read into "Logotherapy" and go from there. There's a bunch of different schools of psychotherapy, but Logotherapy came to my mind when you mentioned once being able to have fun, but not anymore.
Also, the school of therapy doesn't have the biggest impact on success - most of it comes down to you having a good relationship with your psychotherapist. It may take a few tries to find the right one, but there's probably 100s out there who could help you.
If you're just looking for some general advice:
see yourself as a system with 6 parts: Sleep/Pleasure/Body and Challenge/Relationships/Conflicts. Write these down and look for the parts of your life where you feel like everything is in good order (maybe "Conflict" because you are the one in the family to be able to sort out things etc.) but especially look for the parts where something is missing. Theory has it that if one part of the system gets fucked, it fucks over all other parts. Not being able to enjoy yourself anymore? Bam, suddenly you're not sleeping to well.
This at leasts helps you identify stuff that you can work on. Every little fight is an opportunity for a little win.
Thank you.
I didn't do much. Just remember that it's never too late, you wouldn't be here in this thread if there wasn't a part of you that is still ready to be an adventurer.
I've used Nootropil for a couple of years and it fucked up my brain. I'm happy with jew pills now.
...
complete bullshit
"Not being able to enjoy yourself anymore? Bam, suddenly you're not sleeping to well."
Maybe whatever metabolic disorder is causing your discomfort also causes poor sleep.
Psychology is the study of the obvious for retarded fanatics.
No difference to scientology or religion.
You could prove me wrong with some scientific evidence for your bullshit theory.
Save the effort, there is none.
that is the cutest shit ever.
I'm still in training myself, but if you're ever looking for more material or book recommendations or whatever, mail me at [email protected] , it's the most obscure trash mail I have left so if you're just conning your way into my credit card, HAVE AT YOU
I took piracetam and choline for a period of a few weeks and ended up fucking up my memory for the next couple of years. Think twice before messing with that shit. Think I'm full of shit? Look up "brain fog piracetam"
It screwed with my word recall and ability to visualize programming problems. Now I just take L-theanine and caffeine and eat healthy and workout almost every day. Unless you can get a script for adderall, don't bother with the racetams, it's not worth it.
Also have tried Modafinil and while that gave me good focus, it made my face extremely greasy and made irritable/a little crazy.
This thread makes me wonder if a biohacking chan could work. A sort of overlap between /fit/ and Sup Forums.
Dumb idea?
Also I wasn't referring to Adderall as a -racetam, just that it's the only think that seemed to be an actual nootropic in my opinion
All memeing aside all proclaimed nootropics don't do shit. The only ones that work land you in prison (ie AMP).
it is great if you can get it perscription grade obviously.
Caffeine has a specific legal exception under the law, go read it. It says that all psychoactive substances are banned, with the exception of a couple like caffeine.
The best nootropics are simple and safe. Stuff like adderall will make you ill in the long run.
I use theanine, caffeine, creatine, ashwagandha and bacopa monnieri daily, and I've been using them for about five months. To be honest I'm not sure if I've noticed a difference, but I'm afraid to stop in case I lose my edge.
The best thing to do is get regular cardiovascular exercise, as it can stimulate neurogenesis, plus regular exercise makes you feel more energetic throughout the day anyway.
Eh theyre cheap enough to use for placebo
I guess I assumed that some of his issues have a psychological source. That's obviously not the only cause for feeling "depressed", thank you for making it clear that there's more than one explanation (no sarcasm).
don't have anything to say regarding your 2nd statement. it's so hyperbole that it seems pointless to argue with.
this particular model is the brainchild of an Austrian psychotherapist/forensic psychologist who was worked in the field for a bunch of decades (worked with Anna Freud and shit). he is still working on it, so there's no concise list of literature and references. I think it's a neat concept to show people who are actually dealing with psychological issues, as it's very easy to understand, and more often than not they know what it's all about from own experience.
generally speaking though: you are depressed. so you have trouble sleeping. so you have less motivation to go out and do shit. so you feel more depressed. so you have less motivation when showing up at to face the challenges/opportunities you are being given there. so you start feeling worthless. and it goes on and on.
This is not a schematic that shows how this works everytime, but I'm sure you see how it's a concept that comes from reality. But yeah, I don't have access to my academic whatchamacallit online library account to look for some references. You got me there. If you leave me some contact info though, I'll make sure to send you some when I'm home with some time on my hands.
What about the ones that have scientific studies on their benefits? Sure hoopagloopa root or whatever probably is just placebo, but the three op mentioned in all have valid scientific studies, and are actually available as medications in many countries in the world.
Just not the USA because they are all out of copyright, so no market incentive to do clinical trials in the USA as someone could just undercut you with a generic the moment you prove efficacy.
I hear weed makes you gay.
But for real for real, weed sucks little baby boners.
L-Theanine + Caffeine does a good job
Noopept + Alpha GPC puts me in productive mood, though I have some mixed response to Noopept like sometimes it works, sometimes does not.
Ashwagandha does miracles to stress, but I found that it also exhausts me too much once it starts coming down.
Used Phenibut before, it's a funny little drug but I found that it builds up tolerance way too fast and it's way too distracting for work. Great for social events though. Also my last ordered batch got grabbed by the customs and I don't feel like wasting anymore money. Thanks, nanny.
Anyone tried ordering Kratom to UK?
this was great
u fucking nigger your circadian rhythm helps regulates your mood. of course you're gonna be fucked up if you don't have a proper schedule. I bet you 95% of people who don't wake up at the exact same hour daily have way higher moodswings/anxiety/depression than those who do.
It sounds like you want weed, but you're too much of a hipster to smoke weed now that it's decriminalized everywhere that matters. The way I see it, you have two options: smoke weed and just make sure everyone knows it's the newest, hippest version, or grow the fuck up. Your call.
>bacopa monnieri
at least it has some evidence behind it,
slightly improves free memory recall
I used to be the same. Conversational therapy helped a lot on the mental side even if that was years ago and I don't even remember more than half the things we talked about. Motivational posts or quotes never really did anything back then because I couldn't relate to them and attempting to "just be happy, lol" was like trying to claim interest on an empty bank account.
2nd most important thing was regular exercise, as well as enough sleep and nutrition for the physical side. Some say sleep is more important than exercise but I find it easier to sleep having exercised. It helps to think of sleeping as "charging your battery" in preparation for the next day rather than "resting" to recover after the previous day. I also didn't bother with diets cause they obviously don't work.
Both physical and mental improvements feed into each other and you end up capable of doing more for each and it creates this feedback loop of sorts.
In fact, it was only after I started all these first improvements that I actually became motivated to improve myself further. I wasn't motivated to fix myself at all at the beginning but the therapy did give me some prodding until I became self sustaining after about 12 weeks of sessions.
Started finding joy in things like hiking and got a desire to get more fit so I can hike further. Started noticing changes in my body and decided I wanted to look good naked. I was always shameless with how much I ate and forcing myself to eat less only made me feel miserable and failing to eat less only made me guilty and more miserable etc. Instead of trying to muster the willpower to diet and eat less, I diversified my meals by just adding more veg and fruit and continuing to eat as much as I wanted and not feel bad about it. Eventually, the rice intake was down and I started noticing that I was having healthier poops.
contd.
Chan psychiatry. Nigga u dnt no me.
I think some people here are vastly underestimating the affects of a good diet. I've been pretty /fit/ for a while now and had (what I thought was) a decent diet. Mostly low fat proteins and complex carbs. After analyzing what I was eating, I realized I got pretty much zero veggies each day. Easily solved this problem by buying some kale, which is basically a super food, and blending 2 cups of it with a banana, a spoon of peanut butter, and some coconut drink. I've been drinking it once a day for the past week and I swear to god my mental clarity is through the roof.
Plus it tastes fucking awesome
Take a long, swift walk every day.
You don't have to run until you collapse.
Just raise the heart rate a little for 1 hour.
contd.
Little by little, I started feeling proud of my body and that confidence made me more likely to try learning new things or talking to new people.
It's been 5 years since I've started. It's tough and I still have some off days or weekends or even months when I lose motivation and find myself in "square one" again and each time it's because I've allowed some part of my routine to deteriorate and missed workouts, let my gym membership lapse, lacked sleep, etc.
But so what if I'm back to my old ways? I kinda know how to "get back on the wagon" and so I will. That first time, I needed help from a therapist, but each subsequent time, I was able to do it myself and I was getting better at it. I also keep in mind that I can always go back to a therapist if I need it.
I guess the take away for all this is that starting is the hardest part, especially the first time. It's okay to get help with starting, any time. You don't have to start perfectly, you can start crudely and refine over a long period of time. It's always okay to fail and start again. Good luck, user!
Thanks for this too
Lainchan
Phenibut is good if you use it responsibly. I personally make sure I do not use it more than once a week. Because I read that the tolerance builds with every dose and kicking off of it is a bitch. But I have never experience downers when I limit the use to just occasions. I actually recommend it if you use it to do something. As it works as a muscle relaxant and suppresses anxiety it can really improve your life if you use it strategically. Take it before a presentation or job interview, for example. Or when going out to a social event. Since it suppresses anxiety and it keeps you normally sharp and you just feel more positive and relaxed. I have had great experiences with Phenibut with a dose of around 2 grams. But dosage is different for every person. That is something that requires some experimentation. Just don't use it often.
Just read Gwern. It's kind of amazing nobody's linked to his website yet.
gwern.net
Abusing hard drugs could lead to problems? Who would have thought
Saying this as drug user.