AMD 5xx are pure rebrands

Why this is allowed in 2017?

>inb4 nvidia did it with gtx680 => gtx770

>implying there isn't 590 and vega

Vega is named Vega

No one knows where the fuck Vega 11 will slot in

Nvidia has still rebranded more GPUs over it's lifetime than AMD has.

590

Then where does the Vega 11 cutdown slot in. I doubt they'll have a 595

590x and 590

Well, supposedly they refined the process so it will run more efficiently and maybe OC better, but that's about it.
It's still one whole generation down the drain. Man, fuck GPU companies.

Vega 10 will probably come out first, which is why I gave up and bought an RX 480 recently.

They dropped the X suffix in new generations. Also, Vega is going to be RX Vega, more like the Fury series. I wonder if there will be a Vega Nano...

Why put out a new card when the current lineup is fine? They already match or beat Nvidia at every price point below the 1070, so there's no need to change anything. Then Vega will fill the gap at the high end.

Whatever, that just means I can scoop up a 480 for less.

I'm more interested in the quality of the chips they'll put in the 500 series. By now they should've had time to refine the process.

In addition, I'm wondering if Apple is still vacuuming up the chips and leaving us with scraps, a la Tahiti and the 400 series.

>I'm more interested in the quality of the chips they'll put in the 500 series. By now they should've had time to refine the process.

They had 18 months to refine Hawaii, yet "Grenada" was identical in terms of power consumption and overclocking.

The higher clocks say otherwise. 1st generation Polaris was a pipe cleaner.

14nm they got from global foundries gets considerably better every 12 months for like 3 years..

they will be able to consistently clock it higher

of course they will make use of this

FALSE

AYYMD REBRANDS FAR MORE THAN NVIDIA

HD7000 HD8000 RX200 RX300 WHOLESALE SERIES REBRANDS, IT'S EMBARASSING TO SAY THE LEAST

Fuck this waiting bullshit.
Buying a 480 tomorrow morning.

worse silicon, and what waiting bullshit?
you had no idea 500 is coming so soon anyway

why people get upset over rebrands?

>improved process
>higher clocks
>lower power
>faster memory
>same price

Because the 480s are still perfectly capable of playing 1080p ultra detail games at 60fps

>The higher clocks say otherwise

No, they don't. Slightly higher factory overclocks mean nothing, because all cards could do those speeds anyway. The 390(X) range were clocked higher out of the box than the 290(X) range, but still well within the 290(X)'s standard range, with no additional headroom at the top end. The same was true of the 7970 and the GHz Edition/280X. Just more aggressive factory overclocks, but zero improvement in overall overclockability or power consumption.

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that the 580 is going to be anything more than a 480 with a new BIOS running higher clocks, that's your business. Just don't go shitting up Sup Forums crying about "OMG IT'S JUST A REBRAND AMD LIED" when it's plainly obvious that's exactly what it is, like it was with the 7970/280X, 285/380, 290X/390X and many other AMD cards down the years.

>"Ryzen w-will come early 2016"
>Delayed to Q4 2016
>Delayed again to winter 2016
>"V-vega will come in Summer 2016!"

This sounds pretty reasonable. The refinements probably just allow them to produce chips that are reliably stable at a higher stock clock, but still feature the same top end limits.

nigger 390 had serious incease of memory clocks, that you just could not get on 290
thats also why it immediately on release reviews raped gtx970 in 90% of the games

>"Ryzen w-will come early 2016"
link to official source saying that

390 had modern memory chipsets with tighter memory timings but it was the same memory controller on the GPU, if you could weld one of those memory chipsets into a 290 and flash the 390 bios it would work fine.

Eventually people managed to mod the 290 bios to match the memory timings from the 390.


Modern as in higher binned can hit higher clocks, not modern as in a new memory type.

>competition making blazing fast super ultra mega state of the art cards

>implying you can rush GPU development just because

Ryzen was ready months before release. Vega barely hit ES quality.

>Source 2 years ago
Even if you don't want to believe that, you can't deny Vega keeps getting delayed.

Hawaii was already on a mature 28nm process. Not as much room for improvement. Better example would be 7970 vs 280X

Too bad the motherboards weren't.

didn't see this idiot before posting >no improvement in power consumption
lol.

390X had more headroom than the 290X btw, they'd hit 40mhz higher clocks on average.

> Wants new graphics card every 6 months
> Can't make a whole new architecture every 6 months
It's not like core i7 has been around since 2010..

> Intel introduced the Core i7 name with the Nehalem-based Bloomfield Quad-core processor in late 2008.

core i7 is old enough to be Sup Forums's big brother

RX 580 will be identical to RX 480 at the same clocks and it'll probably only have a slightly higher overclock limit (like R7 1800X vs R7 1700). It may well be slightly cheaper and slightly better in terms of power/heat/noise though.

Still, didn't stop me getting an RX 480 the other day. You know the RX 580s will have a "new shiny" tax for a month anyway.

So? For the 0.1% of people who need, want, or can afford a Titan XP I guess that's relevant. For 99% of users who don't unbox things on youtube for a living that's irrelevant.

Vanta -> Riva TNT2 M64
6500 -> 7100 GS
8300 GS -> 9300 GE
8400 GS r2 -> 9300 GS
8800 GS -> 9600 GSO 640
8800 GT -> 9800 GT
8800 GT -> 9800 GT Green
8800 GTS 512 -> 9800 GTX
8800 GTS 512 -> 9800 GTX+
8400 GS r2 -> G 100
9500 GT -> GT 120
9600 GS -> GT 130
9600 GT -> GT 140
8800 GTS 512 -> GTS 150
8400 GS r3 -> G 205
9600 GSO 512 -> GT 230
8800 GS -> GT 230
8800 GT -> GTS 240
8800 GTS 512 -> GTS 250
8800 GTS 512 -> GTS 250 Green
G 210 -> G 310
GT 220 -> G 315
GT 240 -> GT 330
GT 240 -> GT 340
8800 GTS 512 -> GT 350
G 210 -> G 405
G 220 -> G 405
GTX 420 -> GTX 510
GTX 420 -> GTX 520
GTX 430 -> GTX 530
GTX 440 -> GTX 545
GTX 450 -> GTX 550 Ti
GTX 460 SE -> GTX 555
GTX 460 SE -> GTX 560 SE
GTX 460 -> GTX 560
GTX 465 -> GTX 560 Ti
GTX 470 -> GTX 560 Ti 448
GTX 480 -> GTX 570
G 510 -> G 605
GT 520 -> GT 610
GT 430 -> GT 620
GT 430 -> GT 625
GT 440 -> GT 630
GTS 450 -> GT 640
GTX 560 SE -> GT 645
GT 520 -> GT 705
GT 630 -> GT 710
GT 630 -> GT 720
GT 530 -> GT 730
GT 640 -> GT 730
GT 640 -> GT 740
GTX 650 -> GT 740
GTX 660 (GK104) -> GTX 760 SE
GTX 660 (GK104) -> GTX 760
GTX 670 -> GTX 760 Ti
GTX 680 -> GTX 770
GTX 750 -> GT 945

You forgot that Core iX is derived from Core 2 is derived from Core is derived from Pentium M is derived from Pentium III.

There's not much Pentium blood left in processors today but it's hilarious how long Intel has been iterating instead of innovating

because
>same performance
>same or jacked up price years later
meanwhile they use the rebrands as an excuse to cut support for previous products even though they're only last gen models.

>6870
>125w peak
LOL this graph is so fucking fake and gay it isn't even funny.

AMD liked to overrate their TDP by a good margin, they stopped doing it with the RX 200 series but yeah

6670 66w tdp vs 50w peak
6870 151w tdp vs 128w peak
6970 250w tdp vs 202w peak

7770 80w tdp vs 73w peak
7870 175w tdp vs 115w peak
7970 250w tdp vs 189w peak

Yeah, except with the RX 480

>pulling out more than 75W from PCIe slot
>even lost their PCIe cert

WHY

Yeah that was a fuckup, tons of GPUs overdraw from the 6/8pins, but slot overdraw is a no no

HAHAHAHA, LOOK THIS YOU DUMBFUCK!

Why design a new chip for the same performance bracket? The top end will be filled by vega while poorfags can get an improved RX480 for the same or even less money at slightly more performance.

NVIDIA: They way it's meant to be rebranded

intel has just rebranded cpu for 15 years

There will be smaller Vega chips as well, if the leaks are accurate, but they'll likely come much later than the flagship

He is right tho, all the HD6xxx HD8xxx RX2xx and RX3xx are rebranded

>390X had more headroom than the 290X btw, they'd hit 40mhz higher clocks on average.

>buy used 290x for $180
>or brand new 390x for $500
I liked AMD, but they're so lazy now it hurts

I'm almost 100% replacing my r9 290 with Nvidia. literally the only reason I haven't yet is because Freesync is cheaper

Nah the only rebrands in the HD6 series was the HD6770, HD6750, and HD6350. HD8 was OEM only, and no desktop chips were never sold to my knowledge. RX 200's only had rebrands of Tahiti and Pitcairn, and arguably Bonaire. RX 300's had rebrands except Fiji, again Tonga was debatable.

Even with the RX 500's only 580 and 570 are rebrands, 460 had 896 shaders vs 1024 shaders on the 560. 550 is either 896 shader Polaris 11 like the 460, or 640 shader Polaris 12 (new chip).

when 390X launched it was $430 while the 290X was at $550

What you're seeing is Radeon group being strip mined to fund Ryzen. Part of that development of Ryzen went in to creating the fabric that Nvidia busts nuts about in their dreams on an X86 architecture. 2017 is just beginning for AMD.

If AMD can start making money in servers again, you'll see more investment in Radeon group and Navi to completely start over.

Then you have AMD running on a skeleton crew and it's no surprise everything they launch stumbles out of the gate. Because they don't have the man power to get everything right. They have to launch half baked shit in the consumer space and fix it as they go along.

So with profitability you will have more engineers software and hardware, and more research dollars.

Raja is a Prima Donna who is drastically out of touch though. He is both the best and worst thing about Radeon. With out him Radeon is screwed even farther then they are now. Vega won't be significantly faster either. And Volta will be Nvidias all new architecture. Kepler->Maxwell->Pascal will be gone.

Source?

>volta
>all new
Yeah nah, 13 TFLOP at 225w TDP was already confirmed awhile back. GP102 is 11 TFLOP at 250w TDP.

/thread