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Discuss.

Great thread, OP!

>doesn't track you
>can search efficiently in non-english shites

choose one.

Qwant is better than DDG
>but searx is teh best

>doesn't work well
>every site that is even remotely useful won't even load unless you whitelist all the tracker/CDN crapware that web 3.0 is based on
This was an idea that seemed smart in like 2005, not so much anymore

The old web is gone, deal with it tinfoils. The entire reason why google works so well is that it's fucking spying on everyone. Don't like it? You can go back to the days of hotbot.

>not Chrome
>not Internet Explorer

What fucking decade do you live in. Just disable cookies and clear you history/cache every so often and you might as well be using a VPN

confirmed botnet

startpage is where it's at if even there anymore

qwant is fucking bloated as hell

I use Qwant, I removed Google because mah privacee.

But for all important search, I always end up open a new google tab because it's more efficient...

Why bother?

Fucking white space jeez

>duckduckgo.com

>A mysterious startup appears out of the blue...
>A duck in a bowtie, run by a Jew.

>He promises privacy, to respect your space.
>But did you take note of the methods in place?

>A company US, your privacy sworn
>In 2010 markets Tor service (for your porn)

>Year later it's mentioned in Time Magazine
>"[it's] like early Google", the author did preen.

>"We do not track you!", the Duck says as you choose...
>Just remember: he's tracking the search terms you use,

>and the location data,
>though not your IP, (wink)

>but they get ads from Bing,
>don't you think that they see?

>Hosting their servers, guess who? Amazon!
>Do you trust their cloud, are you a moron?

>Now there's auto-suggestions.
>Think, how does that work?

>You trust that you're safe?
>I prescribe you more lurk.

>You hopped off of Google, privacy was the plan,
>but you've jumped out of the fire and into the pan.

>Qwant
>Searx
>Not Startpage

I actually use it because I want to support another search engine so we don't end up with monopoly, and they give money to various FOSS projects, so, good enough.

objectively correct answer

myman.mp4

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>they give $10,000 to some shitter FOSS re-inventing the wheel project
>meanwhile google gives millions to FOSS projects that actually make a difference, but it doesn't count because CORPORATIONS MAAAAN

>Qwant
Fast! But is it possible to remove all that UI 2.0 crap? I want to search fucking web, not be social or build a rocket.

>searx
The UI I could probably get used to, but slow.

>startpage
UI close to ideal (ie not much 2.0 crap around it), but fucking slow.

>duckduckgo
Shitty results. Have they stopped using google?

Any other alternative, must be:
* Fast - has a server in EU, not overloaded US-EAST EC2 instance
* No web 3.0 clutter, just query box and results

No

Normies don't care about privacy.

No literally, a class I took last year had an open debate on how important privacy was in the current information society.

Now you'd expect there to be a healthy few on both sides, right? Wrong.

The majority of the class agreed that phone-tapping, internet history, and live surveillance was all alright in the name of security.

Privacy's a dead phenomenon.

>The majority of the class didn't udnerstand why privacy is important to democracy.

FTFY

Qwant is fast (to respond), but bloated as fuck. It also trims the google results to few dozens, then:

"The following results are probably not relevant, please rephrase your query."

Not very nice.

The only way to get sane search without google jew appears to be querying qwant & startpage in parallel, display instant results from qwant and append slower results as they come in from startpage in the background. Thinking about cobbling up extension to do just that.

DDG presents the results in a clean and effective manner, and with a little CSS tampering its very effective at what it does.

I do tend to use google if it fails me though, but that doesn't happen often.

It's really good but a bit slower than Google in my opinion

Great screenshott here faggot.

>muh democracy
>implying people, including you, especially you, will give it all up for convenience
Meanwhile you're shitposting your darkest thoughts on a korean soondubu forum to be sold by Psy to the highest bidder because it's less social anxiety inducing than going outside

It's time to stop pretending the government is the biggest threat to your freedom, people

Bad logo.

pretty much this

>have script blocker
>open qwant
>white page
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DDG is a bit useless for complex queries, because its index is far smaller than google's. This is most frequently visible with searches which yield very few results even in google, usually unique phrases like:

"Turning on too many lists will degrade performance"

Google or Bing will find the code thanks to their enormous index, meme crawlers won't.

However, not being a mere google/bing proxy is also strength of DDG - as a way to have second opinion on popular topics.

While I like the idea of being anonymous online, having grown up with Web 2.0 will do that to you, I also recognize that what is saying is at least partially true.

Part of the reason Google has become so insanely good at finding things for you is because it knows you so well that it has a vague idea where to look for what you want.

DDG, Startpage and the likes might function for when you need to look up "how to make waffles", but when you have a really intricate and really technical problem about some subject matter, Google is always going to be a better bet just because it knows more about you.

NSA honeypot

Can you give me an example? Like, a query that you could type into google and get what you want, which doesn't pop up when you search DDG? I'm sure you're right, I'm just curious and would love to see said phenomenon in action.

>privacy doesn't matter because 'nuffin teh hide'
Back to class little boy.

>Part of the reason Google has become so insanely good at finding things for you is because it knows you so well that it has a vague idea where to look for what you want.

No, it's annoying. I had to specifically disable personalized search because when you're looking for something, you're not interested in results biased towards something you already are familiar with.

Personalized search (as well social feeds etc) is mostly to appease retards who wallow in their ignorance. This is most prevalent in polarized topics - liberals will get liberal biased results, Sup Forumstards will get their trump biased hugbox. If I want a bias, I voice it in the query. No need for machine to appease my affirmative bias.

At least kudos to google for providing ample tools to differentiate and/or disable PWS, some other places don't even offer that luxury.

That isn't even remotely relevant to what I said. Do you actually have any independent thoughts on the subject of privacy or is everything in your head comprised of default replies in kiddie porn vs MUH PEEGEEPEE arguments from Sup Forums?

>Do you actually have any independent thoughts
>Spews typical 'lel le pedo detected encryptards' drivel

Thanks for reminding us why nobody should take you seriously kiddo.

The quoted string is one such example. Another example is looking for complex academic topics without knowing the appropriate phrasing and just going by intuition. Google is a bit more smarter than just keyword match - they take into account sentences in semi-related articles pointing at/citing the article you most likely want.

try:

>bittorrent erasure coding endgame

(in google and ddg, without quotes)

The rationale behind the query is: using erasure coding to speed up end-game phase of torrent download. But such query completely confuses DDG - it offers me torrent downloads of a warez release of movie endgame, because it disproportionately looks at the most popular keyword pair while completely ignoring relevance of 'erasure coding'.

The opposite example is "popular culture topic", for example

>crash bandicoot lisp

(again, without quotes)

DDG finds reasonable set of articles as well as google seems to go a bit more indepth.

No, actually that was you. I was talking about the tension between privacy and convenience, and you went straight to muh kiddie porn "nothing to hide". Fucking end your life, pedo.

Can anyone give me the drawbacks of startpage other than it being slightly slower?

Isn't it the results from Google with zero tracking?

I use DDG on all my devices. True, sometimes Google is a must, but duck will always find stackoverflow and other 99.9% needed sites.
I feel Google is getting worse and worse, few years ago it was amazing, now the results are often worse of that in duck.
Also I love bangs mechanism, there is nothing better than writing "!ud kek" in search box and getting immediate results of Kek definition in urban dictionary.

>implying privacy takes away convenience
lolwat?

>implying it doesn't
>implying normies use gmail because they want to give up their privacy and not because it's fast, convenient, reliable, and free
>implying icloud backups aren't a huge improvement for most people over the old method which was either "no backups", "manually drag this over to a bunch of floppies", or a fussy carbonite nightly backup that locks up your computer if you have the gall to use it at the wrong time even though icloud breaches are on the front page of the NY Times every 2 weeks
>implying maintaining your 3 foot tall shrieking radiator running an open sores mail server hooked up to a cable modem is something real people want to do

It's too late though, you already outed yourself as a paedo with your immediate knee-jerk reaction concerning encrypted hard drives

>slightly slower

Here (eastern europe), startpage responds in ~500ms, it's very slow for serious use. Not sure about you, but I'm pretty much doing livesearch (editing the search phrase until the first page of results starts making sense), that's dozens of queries a minute - half second delays start to get annoying.

Google takes 30ms to respond, Qwant about 50-100ms.

>I'm pretty much doing livesearch (editing the search phrase until the first page of results starts making sense)
What's that? I don't get it.

>implying people don't use gmail because it's all they know
>implying the lack of privacy is what makes gmail convenient
>implying privacy driven mail can't be convenient
>implying you couldn't have private and encrypted cloud service
>implying open source is inherently worse than closed source

Thanks for confirming your tech illiteracy and overall lack of knowledge, mere child. Also, I'm not the same guy, but feel free to try harder.

pretty neat

Google power users work like this:

1. go to google.com
2. type the phrase, hit enter
3. results appear. do you like what you see? go to 6.
4. don't like what you see? continue typing, it gets appended in the search box. alt-arrows to navigate words of phrase, ctrl-shift-arrows to mark and replace parts of phrase.
5. once you edited the phrase (or selected suggestion), hit enter again, and go to 3.
6. scroll through the results and profit!

While google supports this natively, most other search engines can be coaxed into it with simple userscript (just set focus to the search box on keydown of alphanum letter).

>I wasn't alive before gmail so I have no idea why it pulled millions of people into webmail who never would have considered it before
>I can totally think of a way privacy and convenience could coexist, if only economics wasn't real
You are so out of touch with reality it's blowing my mind

I don't get what you mean. example please?

They've given significantly more, and to projects I actually care about. Google builds FOSS things, but Google will always build FOSS things. I'd prefer to support someone else so other people can do it too. Also I don't really care the slightest about Linux, and my life wouldn't be any different if Google stopped contributing to it *shrug*

>I'm too stupid to think of anything so others must be as well.
Yeah we hear that all the time. Like the other user said, back to school with you. You're a retard.

>it pulled millions of people into webmail who never would have considered it before
kek, what is hotmail you dense moron? Just stop talking, take the L and leave.

>I'm a fucking sperg who spends too much time in his basement talking to other birdfuckers so my opinions on technology are relevant
Drink bleach
>hotmail
>literally the reason why nobody wanted webmail
>gmail comes along
>suddenly everyone is on webmail
Thank you for proving my point, now drink bleach like the other guy

>I know nothing about anything, but let me just call other people stupid, that way it'll look like I have an idea what I'm talking about.

>I literally cannot conceive of why google has been wildly succeesful, my own inability to look at the world from a normal person's point of view is someone else's fault and anyone with the slightest grasp on reality is stupid and doesn't know what he's talking about
Ok paedo. Remember, if you talk to people in real life it means you're tech illiterate.

>continues calling people stupid without supporting his claim
ok pleb, keep trying.

lol, you really think you can't have convenience without loss of privacy? What kind of tunnelvision is that? Have you ever even heard of protonmail? Tutanota? Both are pretty fucking convenient lad. You must be pajeet.

I've said what needs to be said. All you can do is shitpost and try to deflect
>protonmail
>tutanota
Neither of those can do shit to protect your privacy unless everyone else is using it, ergo, you can have your convenience, or you can have your privacy, not both

OOPS you don't communicate with anyone IRL so how would you know?

>protonmail

I don't get this meme either. What's wrong with cock+tor & gpg?

ddg, qwant, searx are all better than google

i use them all, still trying to figure out which i like best. startpage is shit.

>Neither of those can do shit to protect your privacy
Ok, so you haven't used it, gotcha.

>All you can do is shitpost and try to deflect
>OOPS you don't communicate with anyone IRL

I see...

>I used it so that means I know how it's intended to protect privacy in a hypothetical universe that doesn't exist
Translation: I am too technically illiterate to discuss this topic meaningfully but OPEN SORES OPEN SORES MUH BIRDFUCKING there did I use enough buzzwords?

What's the purpose of this?
Does a Google "power user" even exist? Isn't that the same as just trying multiple search queries with small modifications?

I use DDG, it gets the job done fine.
The only problem is when normies see you using it and act horrified that you didn't use google (maybe they don't know there are other search engines?).
Someone asked my why I use it once and I just told them it was because I like the duck avatar.

You're too retarded to reply seriously to. Have a (You) though I guess.

Startpage is good but stupidly slow.

Thanks for the (You), enjoy communicating with nobody outside of Sup Forums.

>projecting this hard

ok lad, have a good one

>trump biased hugbox
That doesn't exist outside Facebook personalization. Google can think Trump is of interest, so when you try to find that old study on Swedish rape, you get spammed with a hundred articles about Trump being 'wrong' on it, but it doesnt know that you 'like trump' and spooky show you breitbart etc. (or maybe does and makes a point of filling up the first results with lib propaganda always)

If the sender / receiver doesn't use Protonmail or other encrypted e-mail service, then it's useless, because the message is accessible.

enhanced by Google

>Startpage
>getting the result of your search after an hour

Yeah, essentially google proxies. In true nigger fashion, we just want to use google shit for free, without paying for it with your personal profile.

My example is a bit of hyperbole, but it does happen. In extreme cases like this it will usually affect only first 3 results - literally breitbart instead of NYT on the first spot, for example. Last time I've seen this was sometime in in october and is obviously quite difficult to replicate, you stumble on it occasionaly when people send you a screenshot, you try to verify it, and surprise your result is different.

>but it doesnt know that you 'like trump'

Indeed it does not. It only knows you more frequently click on results with websites associated with breitbart in the pagerank graph. So if breitbart is a close-first result candidate in the future, it will prop it up a little bit, but only extra for you.

Often, this is harmless as the result is usually something you want. But if the topic is polarized, it biases you into your own self-imposed bubble. Regardless, you can disable this by simply not logging in to google, or disabling it in settings.

Google does not "know" that you like trump per se, but it does know where you stand in the spectrum of websites you visit.

Pic related

Still better than google.

What's your hurry, neet? not like you've got a gf to hang out with.

Some people want to have an e-mail address that doesn't look retarded in their resume?

I think cock's airmail.cc looks respectable enough.

>implying I'm not banging a 10/10

This is my gf faggot.

Proofs?

Claims to have gf. Posts obvious stock art.

I mean if you like a false sense of privacy then go right ahead. Creator of DDG sells email addresses or has in the past so I wouldn't put it past him/them that they're doing something similar now.

StartPage is the best Anonymous search engine.

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8/10 Seuss points, fantastic.

>thinks clearing his history blocks spyware

kek

wibr.me is a better search engine. It has like only 20 pages indexed but thats besides the point. Also its my LAMP project.

god damn Megan used to be top tier