What if I told you Ryzen actually has a integrated voltage regulator (like Broadwell/Haswell) that's NOT even enabled for desktops? It's ignored and the motherboard regulator is used. But will be enabled for server and mobile platforms?
>Zeppelin is the first design in which AMD has extensively utilized integrated voltage regulators. Unlike the fully integrated voltage regulator (FIVR) used in Haswell and Broadwell CPUs, AMD's regulator implementation isn't based on ultra-high speed switching circuitry. >The integrated voltage regulators in Zeppelin are ultra-high efficiency digital low-dropout (dLDO) type of regulators. Most of the different domains (cores, caches, data fabric, etc.) have their own dLDOs and they can all be controlled individually.
>Despite the presence of the dLDOs, the consumers can ignore them completely. This is because in the consumer parts most of the dLDOs (all except some of the minor domains) are permanently placed in a by-pass mode. This means that actual regulators are disabled and all of the voltage regulation takes place on the motherboard, just like on the previous generation CPUs and APUs.
Intel's 5 years of power efficiency completely obliterated by a company 10 times its size, it's fucking hilarious. A company without its own fabs to boot, running its first gen 14nm CPU.
Guess you can't start a thread without IT'S OVER XXX IS FINISHED
Eli Wright
wow is intel shit
Caleb Fisher
IT'S OVER INTEL IS FINISHED
Asher Russell
POwer usage is irrelivant to most people fag
Christian Smith
why would they waste money to put something no one can use?
Blake Clark
>POwer usage is irrelivant >compiling is irrelevant >video encoding is irrelevant >smooth gaming is irrelevant >streaming is irrelevant >OC without premium price is irrelevant
what else is irrelevant?
Ryder Morgan
It's only irrelevant when Intel gets stomped into the ground.
Kayden Moore
Because it's not ready to enable yet? These dies are used for both server and mobile parts, which this would help immensely with power draw as integrated voltage regulators can switch voltages in smaller increments AND around 10 times faster than motherboard ones.
Henry Kelly
you think they will for desktop parts? don't think it's that easy, would be nice
Justin Stewart
Maybe some future revision or maybe with a future firmware update, but it's way more important to get it running on server and mobile parts so I don't think AMD is spending too much time on this at the moment for desktop.
Justin Watson
Watch it be a Zen2 feature on desktop and bury Intel into the ground. A FIVR has a similar effect as a half node shrink on power consumption, lol cannonyields
Caleb Brooks
Cinebench, blender, IPC (only megahurtz count) and cores are all irrelevant last time I checked.
Benjamin Peterson
They didn't waste money, this is a very good futureproof move, Intel did the same thing with Haswell and Broadwell but decided to not use them anymore because it made a massive hotspot on their CPU and increased TDP, so now you got Skylake and newer without the integrate voltage regulator.
It's there, it will be enabled sooner or latter, and that's good to know.
Jeremiah Wilson
Here's an example what happened after Intel put the FIVR on their Haswell chips compared to Ivy Bridge.
Sebastian Collins
>people are already "next time for sure"ing ryzen >it's not even out for most people yet K E C K
Henry Scott
anything that isn't photoshop and dota.
Colton Perry
Don't fanboy, disabling certain features either due to profit, time or thermal constraints and using it in the next generation is something that has been used in IC design for a while, a great example is the first Gen Fermi, which had 512 CUDA cores on the die but only 480 enabled, and the 2nd Gen Fermi was simply the 480 with the enabled cores and a unfucked TSMC process.
Jackson Fisher
>RYZEN IS THE NEW FERMI
Jaxon Rivera
Intel can only wish. If anything's the fermi, it's Delidlake
Dominic Foster
>What if I told you Ryzen actually has a integrated voltage regulator (like Broadwell/Haswell) that's NOT even enabled for desktops?
I'd say such an action on Intel's side would trigger you AMD shills to shitpost for months, yet it is quite okay when AMD does it.
Jonathan Reyes
If Intel had it maybe their CPUs wouldn't be housefires, too bad they don't (anymore)
John Wilson
Stupid question; is the proper way to pronounce the acronym "dLDO", dildo?
Jack Murphy
Why not
Julian Cruz
Can we get s temperature graph now?
Ayden Foster
That's why they took them off, genius
Connor Hughes
They all run slightly above room temperature.
Elijah Wilson
Whatever Devil's Canyon is a known house fire
Aiden Phillips
Devil's Canyon is using solder, not semen for its interface material so no it's not a housefire like the other mainstream crap
Owen Howard
Core M like CPU with 4 cores when?
Imagine that shit with Vega fanless.
Wyatt Robinson
>It's ignored and the motherboard regulator is used. I can bet half the reason is because mobo vendors could price mobos higher, AMD and Intel just keeps removing stuff off the mobo PCB onto the CPU/chipset and it's driving mobo vendor profits nuts
Jordan Jackson
And you are now a certified ignoramus
William Brown
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Joshua Morris
Q6600 a few years ago
Noah Powell
Waht the fuck
Blake Diaz
Remember when Sup Forums wasn't filled with advertising shills?
Kayden Taylor
>Devil's Canyon is using solder Why do you dumb little kids just say things? The Haswell refresh Devil's Canyon does not have a soldered IHS, it uses intel's proprietary TIM, and temps are just as bad as Haswell because of it. It greatly benefits from deliding.
not sure if you watched what amd did, but they took the retarded mess that was bulldozer, and made it VERY power efficient by the end of its development...
Amd has FAR more experience with power issues than intel does, now that they have a core that is worth a damn, everyone thinks this low power stuff came out of nowhere.
Jordan Turner
did lisa give you a bj to make you shill out like that
Gavin Allen
dude, they took a power hungry low ipc piece of shit, and turned it into a something good, relitivly good, they just never put any of the newer parts on full pc parts, only mobile or apu
Easton Baker
He's not wrong. Excavator is so efficient compared to Steamroller almost entirely down to power delivery optimisations. AMD spent a lot of time polishing a turd, but it was worth it because they gained a lot of experience on how to squeeze the most of a given process node.
Parker Jones
To not cannibalize their single socket power efficient server offerings and work out firmware kinks with motherboard vendors AMD kept reducing power usage of their chips in their 28nm process, maintaining them competitive with Intel's 14nm parts on certain workloads Specifically the mobile APU's On the same 28nm process compared to Intel's 14nm, that's 3 nodes behind The only way to do this is by improving everything else, all of this expertise made it into Zen
Isaiah Wood
that surely can't be wholly attributable to FIVR though. It would be nice if it can help Ryzen too, but people shouldn't be expecting miracles from one feature alone.
Jaxon Morris
They did?
Brayden Cook
bulldozer started out slower than phenom II, and the last desktop version is better than it by significant numbers, bulldozer was also a power hungry monster, with a 225 watt cpu variant. Part of that was due to the insane stock oc, but a lot of it was architecture itself, and they managed to get variants down to reasonable power levels, though performance was still lacking. they had years of working on this one issue exclusively, where intel had separated themselves on many fronts. Make no mistake current bulldozer derivatives are not good for how powerful they are, but are reasonable in power they demand.
Dylan Ward
ITT: paid AMD shills
Fuck off with your marketing and kill yourselves
Hunter Young
You aren't going to get paid Pajeet, specially with such low quality posts
Elijah Collins
They took a 125w 8350 down to a 95w 8370e.
They have 4 core APUs pushing 1.4v Vcore from the factory down to 65w.
Mobile Bristol Ridge APUs have a 35w TDP and it's just an underclocked, undervolted desktop part.
Throw in Lisa Su's emphasis on performance per watt and IPC for all new semiconductors and AMD is a brand reborn.
Anthony Rodriguez
The APUs really fascinate me. I have an A8 7650k and it's really fantastic for the price.
Jacob Bennett
So, Ryzen provides a smoother gaming experience. Nice to know. Thank you.
David Anderson
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Jack Flores
That's been patched in windows 10 though, issue was that too many tasks were being put on the virtual threads when there was still idle cores available.
When did you last update your shitposting repository?
Nathaniel Martinez
That's far more than any minor architectural update could bring, it's all on the same 22nm node too.
Switching voltages in the 100 of ns is a pretty big deal compared to switching voltages every 10ms
Henry Russell
are you blind? ryzen has flat line, i7 goes all over OCed 1700/1700x will get same flat line
Joseph Brown
Fucking look at it again, it's ryzen that has the heavy dips
