Windows: open like two installers, run them, never have a problem again

>Windows: open like two installers, run them, never have a problem again
>Linux: hardware manufacturer doesn't even make drivers for it, need to spend 5 plus hours scouring forums and stackexchange to even get a temporary fix that will revert when you power off
Why does anyone use this fucking garbage? They need to make it more accessible for people who actually value their time and don't have insane levels of autism.

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>Linux: plug the hardware in, it just works automatically every single time

>Autism==Knowing shit about computer

THIS!

Linux is a timesink OS for NEETs who need to prove they have some kind of worth in the world. They spend their days solving software puzzles to complete the same task that everyone else does without thinking.

...

gpus in particular disagree with your statement

>implying when you're clicking some shit doesn't involve your brain

Nope. I had to find a particular driver for my wifi because debian is a shit

>exaggerations

I know we like to crap on Linux here, but it's not that bad

Try Mint if you're such a fagget

>Using debian
>Expects latest drivers

That's your problem n00b!

It's not like you plug in a different gpu every time you boot.

It's horrible to shitpost on touchscreen.

I actually have more problems with drivers in windows.
Windows:
>plug in a device
>download a driver from the device manufacturer's site
>try to install it
>windows already installed another driver which doesn't work (or is just outdated) so I can't install the correct one
>uninstall it
>windows wants me to restart the PC
>restart it
>it instantly installs the same driver I just removed
>remove it again
>disconnect network cable so it doesn't install that shit again
>reboot
>finally can install the correct driver
Linux:
>search what driver I need
>sudo apt install
>works
Or Linux in the worst case:
>search what driver I need
>copy-paste a dozen of commands into my terminal
>works

Pretty much only Nvidia these days, and installing GPU drivers won't kill you either since yes, they are avaiable.

This is what I experience as well. Gnu/Linux drivers are seriously painless, except for the drivers for the latest GPU. I still can not get adequate output from my RX480 on gnu/linux.

this.
Xorg shit itself when I popped a new gpu in.
Was easy enough to fix but for somebody who could be trying out a linux distro for the first time they'd just conclude that the OS is a broken piece of shit and go back to windows or osx.

Linux is only free if your time has no value.

Typically GPU drivers are installed at install, are you hot swapping gpus or something. Also the open source gpu drivers should just work out of the box for everything but gaming.

Debian has an iso image with firmware included, although I would recommend using a different distro as debians packages are super out of date even on the bleeding edge unstable repos.

>see these shitty threads all the time
>have used linux on and off for years
>never had a single driver issue
>actually had way more issues with windows

It's all or nothing
>Linux
>Either everything works immediately
>Or you have to sudo edit hundreds of config files and your drivers will never work and everything breaks randomly

>Windows
>All or almost all drivers work immediately
>The ones that don't need to be downloaded from the website, after which it will work forever

Go back to chinkpad general.

This. It's good for programming but even the most successful programmers use a distro with good support or windows/mac

>>All or almost all drivers work immediately
Thanks to the shitty driver policy of W10 it's not true anymore.
On W7 and 8 they gone too far with their "planned" obsolescence, but feel free to defend this user abomination.

Cute picture but your dumb

Try installing old drivers in Windows 10.
Pro tip, you can't.

>xorg
That's why Wayland exists

Nice meme

here's my story upgrading my machine to a Ryzen CPU

Windows
>OS actually booted at first which is impressive
>but no optical drive and USB and LAN didn't work
>no means to get anything on the machine at all
>had to boot into Linux and down literally two fucking gigabytes of drivers, I'm not even kidding
>stuck them onto my ntfs drive
>rebooted into windows
>did everything using the keyboard until USB worked, massive pain in the ass
>every installer took 10 minutes or so to complete
>had to reboot half a dozen times
>had to re-install a bunch of them because they weren't running as admin
>total time: 2 hours

Linux
>initially didn't boot
>booted from USB installer
>chrooted into my system
>updated to kernel 4.10
>took 5 fucking minutes
>required 1 reboot
>everything worked perfectly
>that's literally all

if you have any clue what you're doing then you'll known Linux is basically 20 years ahead of Windows in the maintenance department. they're in two completely different universes basically.

but since you're a baby-duck-syndrome-addled consumer twat and all you've ever known is Windows, anything that puts you out of your comfort zone will cause you to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE in frustration.

When I say windows I mean 7 of course. I really hope no one here actually uses windows 10 unironically

>being the hypothetic dumb user you're thinking about
>being on windows
>plugs two new gpu to play minecraft
>boots botnet os 10
>640x480 resolution
>wtf?!

What you just said:

>Windows
>Need to download and install drivers

>Linux
>Need to use the command line to root and recompile the kernel

Did you move from an Intel system? I didn't even have to install any drivers when I installed linux on my i5 and moved the HDD to an ancient Intel Chipset and it ran just fine.

this

install obongo you idiot

now delet this stupiud thread

>no rebuttal

>updated to kernel 4.10
>recompile kernel
If you're blind it's not our fault.
# pacman -Sy linux
Done.

indeed, and the latter is objectively better.

in both cases the average user would have been completely fucked. there was no recourse for the Windows machine other than to buy a dvd drive or install Windows 10, if I didn't also happen to have a Linux OS on it with ntfs-3g installed. rescuing an Arch install is no easy feat either (at least by normie standards) but the fact that I was able to do the fucking thing in 5 minutes stat with zero consequences speaks volume about the relative quality of both systems.

if I'd updated Arch before changing the hardware there would have been absolutely no process required either. and that's not a terribly difficult thing to do especially if you're running something like Ubuntu.

lastly, you're proving my point. you're not born with the innate knowledge of how drivers work on Windows. you just learned that shit by using the fucking thing all your life. most retards go to Geek Squad for their next-button-clicking and rebooting needs.

Since this is the thread where we post personal experiences.
>Install Ubuntu on my desktop
>No wireless drivers at all
>have to spend half an hour getting the video drivers working
>my printer isn't even supported

>install Windows
>everything just works, windows update found all my driver's and installed them automatically

Why do Linux users act like I'm a low IQ subhuman because I want wifi to work? I can't even use all my hardware without proprietary drivers and add ons in Linux, which defeats the purpose of a "free" OS.

I was moving from Piledriver. I doubt that would have made a difference though.

you're not dumb. you just happen to have a shitty proprietary wifi nic that the manufacturer didn't bother to write Linux drivers for. the fault is squarely on their shoulder. not you nor the platform.

expect some benevolent nerd to write those drivers for you and get them merged into the Kernel within a few months if it hasn't happened already.

>using Ubuntu
>complaining about "freedom"
Install Trisquel if you care about your freedom.

My RX 480 works flawlessly. AMD drivers improved a lot since they released the AMDGPU driver. The 2 things you need is the Linux kernel and mesa which ship out of the box with almost all distro's. The only reason it might not perform as great as you'd like is if you run a less recent kernel and mesa version.

It's a good time to use AMD on Linux.

why are you using unsupported hardware?

>Bought a mac installer disk on ebay
>cant even fucking install it on my custom build unless i hackintosh it
>this is garbage

>bought lamborghini doors for my pickup truck
>ford doesnt make hinges for the doors to mount
>need to buy a welding machine just to install the hinges
>lamborghini is garbage


thats you OP.

>not turning this windows feature off in windows update settings
>copy-paste a dozen of commands into my terminal
>being this much of a skiddie

Just start buying compatible hardware. You can even buy machines w/ GNU/Linux preinstalled on them.

It is frustrating the first time you try out the OS, since yeah, you may very well have something that won't work. But uh, if you want to use linux, buy hardware with good support for it.

>preinstalled
Absolutely disgusting

>laptops
>implumbing

yay!
>another meme

>implying this isn't preferable to buying computers with windows licenses

I mean, I only use laptops. I guess you mean desktops.

nah GNU makes it painful

plain Linux distrubtions that do not tryhard to be muh 10 year old packages for freedom™ are pretty painless though

Kill yourself you windows shill piece of shit, Linux users have the highest intelligence of all operating systems. Enjoy your below 100 iq windows nigger.

you forgot

>reactivate windows using a new software license that costs $99+

my experiences are similar OP
>windows
>install drivers
>done

>lunux
>click the application launcher in KDE
>open the terminal application
>start typing letters using my keyboard
>type the word "sudo" followed by a single space
>then type the word "pacman"
>then the "-R switch"
>then type "nvidia"
>and then "nvidia-utils"
>press enter
>wait a bit
>press Y
>wait a bit again
>shut down computer
>unplug the computer from the power bar
>unplug the peripherals
>unplug the network
>remove the thumb screws on my computer case
>remove the left panel
>unplug the 6 pin connector from the old GPU
>press down on the PCI-e socket clip thing
>fiddle with this piece of shit for 5 minutes because it's stuck
>finally get the old GPU out
>put it on a flat surface
>grab the new GPU
>put it into the PCI-e socket
>plug the 6 pin connector into the new GPU
>slide the panel back into place
>put the thumb screws back into place
>plug the power cable into the PSU
>plug in the network cable
>plug in the peripherals
>boot my machine
>go make myself some chicken tendies
>go back to computer while chicken tendies are cooking
>type my username
>type my password
>click the KDE application launcher
>open the terminal application
>type the word "sudo"
>then the "-Syu switch"
>wait a bit
>press Y
>wait a bit again
>then type the word "sudo" again
>then the "-S" switch
>then "xf86-video-amdgpu"
>hear the oven ring
>go get my tendies
>eat my tendies
>press enter on my keyboard
>wait a bit
>press Y
>wait a bit again
>click the KDE application launcher again
>click the "leave button"
>then the "reboot" button

why anyone would want to go through this linoox shit is beyond me
plus the undercooked tendies tasted like ass

>Linux: Do sudo apt-get install *program*
>all works fine

>Windows: Run *program*-installer.exe
>reboot
>all works fine

A lot of it has to do with shitty hardware vendors essentially catering to windows and then telling everyone else to fuckoff.
To the point they purposefully put in roadblocks to make people writing their own drivers in their own free time for their hardware more difficult that it should be.

They still need to fix linux's shitty GUI but hardware support they do provide is actually impressive, you just have to make sure before you buy hardware it's going to be supported by the platform you want to use if it's not windows. I have seen people complaining they can't even use a primary boot record that isn't named "Windows Boot Manager".

Microsoft is a pretty shitty company because they make some good stuff but practice shady business tactics. You can see internal docs of them planning attacks and why this free open source movement was like "a virus" that cannot be attacked by conventional means. Microsoft is essentially at war for control over your PC, and their most recent moves are deploying malware and spyware into the update system, as well as forcing upgrades so they have more control over your PC. You cannot even tell modern windows when to update, it updates whenever it wants and you can just defer restarting the machine.

this tbqh

>why anyone would want to go through this linoox shit is beyond me
Why anyone would waste time writing paragraphs over something that hasn't happened is beyond me.

My experiences have been the almost the exact opposite.

Windows:
>If anything is 5 or more years old you have to deal with abandonware drivers that may not even be hosted by the company who made the hardware

Linux:
>If something is 5 years old someone's bound to have made a third party driver for it that's included in the kernel (at least generic ones, some distros like Ubuntu like to remove drivers for less common stuff from the kernel)

>be winbabby
>install msys2
>look up how to use pacman
>pacman -[a bunch of random letters] to do basic shit and it isn't obvious what does what
do people seriously know how to use this? is there some trick i'm not getting?

Well that and the fallacy that on windows you cannot just install drivers. There is no install_drivers.exe you just double click on.

So he completely collapsed the windows tree and completely expanded the linux tree. The irony being a native package manager is a tool local on your machine that can install programs with a one liner.
Windows actually has a more roundabout way of downloading software requiring a web browser and navigating websites to download an installation wizard that you have to click through.

Linux has it's weak points but package management is actually one of it's strengths.

Linux is a server or hobbyist OS, its not meant to be used as your daily driver, dummy

Linux just werks if you are +80 IQ
Stay mad nogs.

>works for me so it works for everyone :^)
>anyone who doesn't 100% love linux and criticizes it in any way is a mad nog

Edgy.

>it
OP's bait is lame, xhe can't even come up with this mythical hardware which doesn't work.

Well, OP, I plugged this same (((it))) in to my computer running Debian Linux and (((it))) just worked without any driver installs or anything. No need to run any installers, (((it))) just werks.

>2017
>Still using the word skiddie

You forgot to mention your actual mood until you installed "lunux" (whatever it is), the name of your dog and what saw that day when you installed it.

>2017
>Still using combustion engines

>2017
>Still using the word dirt to refer to dirt.

Classic yuppies. Cite the current year and then imply that we should just frivolously change everything to make it "new" because new things are somehow better based off no other criteria other than they are new.

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman#Usage

>yuppies
>on Sup Forums
kek

>is there some trick i'm not getting?

yes, it's called having an attention span and long-term memory capacity beyond that of a squirrel

Well just take out the professional and wealthy part.
I guess yuppie isn't the right word, what do you call modern memesters? tech hipsters?

We need a word for children fresh out of high school or college who think new shitty modern things are better than existing things only because they are "new".

Free as in freedom, not as in free beer, you idiot gay homo anal fag millennial nigger nazi.

pacman -S packagename

consumers

The tolerant Linux community, everyone.

>install linux
>it werks
>here I am browsing Sup Forums

>linux community is one user

>using the edge meme that was invented by Sup Forums
Kill yourself, you idiot gay homo anal millennial

Linux market share is so small on the desktop it might as well be just one person.

"tolerance" is a meme invented by homo communist kike millennials and JEWS. kill yourself.

shit flew right over your head

>59644084
My condolences.

Windows 7 is from 2009 and driver installation works the exact same way - double click an .exe, click "Next" a few times.

You should be able to have drivers for whatever devices you want without using a bleeding edge Linux distribution. Linux is defective because of this.

>Claims to have IQ of over 100
>Takes bait
>Makes all Linux users look like basement dwelling products of incest

Every fucking thread.

OpenSUSE. YaST can do everything Windows Update can do for drivers and software in one window.

>You should be able to have drivers for whatever devices you want without using a bleeding edge Linux distribution
Except it isn't the fault of Linux for this. Blame the manufacturers who refuse to support operating systems besides Windows. So no, Linux is not defective for this.

>b-but i saged

>install linux on the desktop
>learn how to use linux
>by extension learn how to use supercomputers and embedded OSes

>install windows on the desktop
>learn to use windows
>move to india

>think installing Ubuntu means you know how to use a super computer
>think that makes you cool because you're 12 and it has the word "super" in it

>install Windows
>go on vacation to beautiful places like Kerala or the Himalayas in India

>Install windows 10
>No network drivers so need to use another computer to get the drivers.
>Update takes forever.
>Install the drivers from windows update.
>No sound.
>Search the driver from the manufacturer's site.
>Ok, no problem.
>Suspiciously high storage drive usage.
>Processes using high amount of resources for no reason.
>Forced updates, give up trying to customize it because the updates sets the defaults again.
>No more possibility to know what are the updates about.
>Error messages are not useful.
>Must uninstall crap often but gets installed again.
>Cannot disable cortana.
>Pretty obvious i don't control my OS.
>Read MS privacy statement.
>Fuck this shit.
>Install windows 7.
>No drivers, must hunt them this time.
>mfw i read that MS is issuing updates that backports W1's bullshit to windows 7.
>mfw i must use third party programs and be careful with the updates to protect myself from my own software provider.

>beautiful
>india
Fuck off poo

>At some moment got interested into looking for other software providers.
>Don't want to buy hardware and hackingtosh seems a fucking hassle so don't care about apple for the moment.
>Download ubuntu mate installation media.
>Try to boot but get black screen.
>Literally first google result tells me how to start with nomodeset and how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers.
>Proceed to install.
>reboot.
>Start again with nomodeset.
>Update OS (extremely fast compared to windows) and install nvidia drivers from a GUI.
>reboot.
>mfw everything works, no need to search for drivers.
>discovers dolphin, youtube-dl, clementine, playonlinux, kdenlive, krita, etc.
>Comfy as fuck.
>Discover my previous MS office documents don't work fine always.
>Read about the problem and discovers MS issued an standard they don't respect and no one know how it got approved something like that.
>Around half of my steam games are not avilable on linux.
>Read about it and discover how closed technologies can work as lock-in mechanism.
>mfw going back to windows would be like begging to be mistreated.
>mfw i would be actively supporting to make worse this situation.
>nope
>Use my computer normally but try to save my documents in open formats when possible to avoid being locked out from them and try to reward those developers who uses a multi-platform approach.

Every place have its beauty.

>think installing Ubuntu means you know how to use a super computer

that's the first step, yes

>think that makes you cool because you're 12 and it has the word "super" in it

>thinking that 'supercomputer' is some science fiction term when even the most shit-tier university in 2017 will have at least one HPC on campus

Goa has pretty good living standards because they rake in so many tourism bux.

Seriously, if i put on a balance the pros and cons of windows and Linux, Linux always wins. Windows has in general given me a lot more of trouble than what it benefits me, and that's just the purely technical aspects, if you have compatible hardware Linux is practically maintenance-free, even installing the few proprietary drivers i need can be done from a GUI directly in the OS and i can keep them updated always from an official source.

Aside from the purely technical aspect i consider a serious disadvantage knowing that if i depend on a Windows-only program is like being married with windows because i don't have the option to abandon it but at the same time i must like whatever Microsoft wants to do with me. Seems a pretty asymmetrical deal to me and more considering Microsoft has a very bad record on being unethical.

Honestly i only use Windows when there's absolutely no option due to a lock-in situation or because i'm asked at work to use a Microsoft-only technology (this is less common each day fortunately) but otherwise i avoid it. No OS is perfect of course and i can't talk about OSX but i'm 1000 times more willing to forgive an honest mistake, for example a bug or the lack of a feature dues to lack of human resources, than something pushed on me on purpose.

Hate to admit it, but I did a clean install of windows10 a while ago and never had a single issue with drivers. It just werked... just as easy peasy as a typical GNU/linux install.

>go on vacation to beautiful places like Kerala or the Himalayas in India
Please tell me you did this on purpose.

>Installing Ubuntu is the first step to knowing how to use a super computer
You sound like one of those people who uses decade old thinkpad because that's what they uses on the ISS.

I'm a regular consumer. Knowing how to use a super computer means fuck all to me. I'm never going to use one. Windows is a lot more relevant to me, because it's used at my job, at my dentist's office, my parents use it, etc etc.

>It just werked.
Good for you, i just installed the LTSB in a virtual machine for testing purposes and the fucker keeps using +70% CPU all the time. I'm giving it a chance but it always does it.

T440s, but close

>I'm a regular consumer. Knowing how to use a super computer means fuck all to me. I'm never going to use one. Windows is a lot more relevant to me, because it's used at my job, at my dentist's office, my parents use it, etc etc.

Linux is a lot more relevant to me because I use it at my job, my vps, at home on my htpc and my desktop, on my routers, and on my smartphone. My parents use chromebooks so they use linux too.

Also, I grew up using windows until I began my career so I also know how to use Windows machines! They are much more annoying to deal with (I can't just scp some dot files from my main machine and be up and running) but I can usually fix most issues.