>Go to law firm >You: I taught myself law online >Firm: fuck off
>Go to a construction firm >You: I taught myself structural engineering online >Firm: fuck off
>Go to a hospital >You: I taught myself medicine online >Hospital: fuck off
>Go to software company >You: I taught myself programming online >Software company: You get the job!
Programmers are the only ones who keep going around claiming how "anyone can program" and they want more people to do their job so they can lower their own salaries or will put themselves out of a job and end up homeless... and they're only ones advocating that you work for free!
I learned psychiatry and layman level neuroscience on the internet and I unironically know better than my shrink. These days I just subtly cue my shrink into giving me treatment that I think is better, by asking leading questions and bringing up info from pubmed.
Bentley Ward
Building GNU\Linux = building Foundation Pit. Read this book, user.
Ryder Wright
You don't have to tell then where you learning it, only be able to demonstrate your skills. In this case, none of those jobs should tell you to fuck off.
Jackson Morris
>having a shrink in the first place
you're a cuck.
Cooper Perez
>Oh this gonna be good... >I'll think of some irrelevant, stupid analogies to software development jobs >And then will make it look like programmers are retarded
>NOW I AM NOT ALONE!!!
Joshua White
I need muh prescription papers.
Lucas Jones
Law, Engineering, and Medicine are all anti-competitive Government protected cartels.
Xavier Carter
IF YOU CAN'T FIX YOUR PROBLEMS WITH JESUS...
Joshua Powell
I don't know, but no one I know accepts people who don't have a degree unless they have done a LOT of work themselves, and if that's the case, what's the problem? Why would anyone want to go to Jewish indoctrination camps for a worthless piece of paper if you don't have to?
Bentley Davis
Anyone can be a lawyer, constructor, medic.
Jeremiah Robinson
Try to get some adderal as an off-label treatment for depression.
Kayden Gutierrez
No need, I already have ADHD. inb4 fake disease
Hunter Barnes
Programmers are the only ones who give away their work for free and make it super-hard to sell their own work or put value on their work. Certain communist orgs like FSF don't want programmers to even make a dime from programming and want you to make money from doing support instead. And many programmers donate money to these fucking commies.
Then they are surprised why they make peanuts and can't get a job and some Pajeet who shits on streets can take their job away.
Programmers are LITERALLY some of the stupidest people on Earth.
Thank god I never fell for the programming meme.
Jack Davis
>Go to a company >You: I don't know shit but I have connections >Company: You get the job!
Isaac Collins
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Charles Brown
What medication do you take, if you don't mind me asking? And how has it been for you?
Aaron Sullivan
I order 4F-MPH from darknet and supplement with magnesium to prevent tolerance. I don't take it every day, though, only when I need to actually work. So I also take atomoxetine, a selective NRI.
Carson Reed
>Anyone can be a lawyer, constructor, medic. So why are you still a poor NEET who shitposts on 4chins and doesn't make any money?
Brandon Parker
>medicine online nigger what? anyway the exprecience is most important than any degree, and definitely you dont gonna get that online you dumbass if you just taught yourself online you can get a job like a practicant in a construction firm or a law firm and between one or two years you maybe can start aspiring to a real job, in a software company they gonna test your skills and if they give you a job is gonna be like a junnior(n00b) grade job and if you are not good enought they gonna fire you in the fisrt 3 months
Julian Nguyen
>anyone can program this maybe can be true but not anyone can be a good programmer, this apply to lawyers, constructor, medic and the rest
Jordan Gutierrez
If either of the first three mentioned were as cheap and easy to experiment with and preserve your work to be independently analyzed, then the guarantee of competence that comes with a degree wouldn't be as necessary. This is why Computer Science degrees are less critical than medical degrees. If you were Leonardo Da Vinci and could freely experiment on cadavers and then you had access to resources on the internet to publish your findings and have them reviewed, then maybe a medical degree wouldn't be so crucial, but I hope you can see why for Software development, learning programming online doesn't follow from any of the aforementioned. As far as the Software Developer bubble is concerned, that's just the nature of capitalism. Trying to stop progress by arbitrarily creating barriers to entry into the workforce is laughable. Using your own code to artificially inflate the value of your work is pointless. Progress is inevitable and in a properly functioning economy, the jobs lost once the bubble bursts, the demand for programmers contracts, and consumers start spending their money elsewhere, demand for different jobs will employ the resulting unemployed. Each of the aforementioned fields then have something to learn from Technology when it comes to ease of education, because when it comes to automation and artificial intelligence-noone will be safe from the remarkable gains in efficiency that will necessitate either effective retraining or universal basic income, and it seems like you wouldn't like the later.
Brayden Lee
sorry, i mean "in a properly functioning economy, the jobs lost once the bubble bursts *and the demand for programmers contracts *will be mitigated by consumers starting to spend their money elsewhere, stimulating demand for different jobs that will employ the resulting unemployed."
Ryan Hall
I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT PROGRAMERS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE COOL PROJECTS WITH MY RASPBERRY PI
Nicholas Cox
yea your a "hobbyist" yea
Gavin Gonzalez
The idea that Richard Stallman is a communist is slanderous and the idea is often perpetrated by makers of proprietary software, including Bill Gates, in an attempt to discredit and suppress the ideas of free and open source software. In his defense I've compiled some his thoughts on this subject as well as some additional information to dispel this fiction.
-stallman.org/archives/2015-nov-feb.html >I advocate a mixture of capitalism (allow private businesses) and socialism (regulate them tightly, tax them a lot, and keep them small).
-stallman.org/notes/2015-may-aug.html >Today's unchecked form of capitalism allows the invisible hand to crush people and toss their corpses on the scrap heap. >The capitalism that the US had in 1970 was much better than the kind we have today. Thus, I don't conclude that any whiff of capitalism is bad, the way Ayn Rand thought about community. Rather, I say that capitalism must be compensated by community, and effectively regulated by democracy.
-stallman.org/notes/2014-mar-jun.html >Before Reagan, capitalism as practiced in the US created a large middle class, and even workers could get by. We could make this happen again, if we defeat plutocracy.
>The example of China has demonstrated since the 90s that capitalism will not bring freedom to a former Communist country. Now the example of North Korea shows that it does not even necessarily put a limit on the general level of oppression.
-“Free Software in Ethics and Practice” talk at CMC MSU, Moscow, Russia >youtube.com/watch?v=GrJpXJY4Oow >Isn't it ironic that the proprietary software developers call us communists? We are the ones who have provided for a free market, where they allow only monopoly.
Justin Diaz
-"Bill Gates and Other Communists" by Richard Stallman -gnu.org/philosophy/bill-gates-and-other-communists.en.html >Bill Gates discussed patents with CNET under the heading of “intellectual property,” a term that covers many disparate laws. He said anyone who won't give blanket support to all these laws is a Communist. Since I'm not a Communist but I have criticized software patents, I got to thinking this calumny might be aimed at me.
>Mr. Gates' secret is out now—he too was a “Communist,” he too recognized that software patents were harmful, until Microsoft became one of these giants. Now Microsoft aims to use software patents to impose whatever price it chooses on you and me. And if we object, Mr. Gates will call us “Communists.”
>gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html >In the United States, any advocate of other than the most extreme form of laissez-faire selfishness has often heard this accusation. For example, it is leveled against the supporters of a national health care system, such as is found in all the other industrialized nations of the free world. It is leveled against the advocates of public support for the arts, also universal in advanced nations. The idea that citizens have any obligation to the public good is identified in America with Communism. But how similar are these ideas?
>Communism as was practiced in the Soviet Union was a system of central control where all activity was regimented, supposedly for the common good, but actually for the sake of the members of the Communist party. And where copying equipment was closely guarded to prevent illegal copying.
>The American system of software copyright exercises central control over distribution of a program, and guards copying equipment with automatic copying-protection schemes to prevent illegal copying.
Benjamin Scott
>By contrast, I am working to build a system where people are free to decide their own actions; in particular, free to help their neighbors, and free to alter and improve the tools which they use in their daily lives. A system based on voluntary cooperation and on decentralization.
>Thus, if we are to judge views by their resemblance to Russian Communism, it is the software owners who are the Communists.
-FOSS is not classless
FOSS development communities definitely have classes represented by things such as time spent within the community, amount of contributions made, and type of contributor (developer, systems engineer, designer etc).
-FOSS is not moneyless
People do make money off of FLOSS. It may not be through the sale of the software, but there are other methods with which to make money such as support.
-FOSS is not stateless
Though many think of FLOSS development in terms of developer communities, many of the projects being developed are a part of larger efforts such as the Red Hat / Fedora Project relationship.
Christopher Rogers
Communism forces resource distribution(socialism encourages equitable resource distribution across the masses). Open source does not encourage any forced distribution of code, its completely voluntary to give out a framework, library (in other words its a commons good) as open source.
Communism in its purest form abolishes class distinctions (no country has pulled this off till date). Open source projects maintains a meritocratic class order. For example, some contributors are more trusted and given more access privileges for commits. You have to first identify yourself as a good committer by submitting high quality patches at a regular basis and thereafter maintainers give you privileges to contribute. Often these core contributors are employed by corporations just for that activity as a full time job.
People make money out of open source all the time (and have gotten huge amounts of market capitalization due to that). Docker is a recent example in the tech world. Communist societies keep money flow under state control.
Don't listen to Bill Gates. The libre software movement isn't communism.
Grayson Jones
>taking sketchy RCs
Easton Allen
because i care about free and open knowledge. i can get by just fine and i'd rather share than trademark and profit. just a different culture m8.
Austin Gray
>No unions >No professional associations >No certification or licensing >Crying because poojeet took their job IT Workers ladies and gentlemen!
Luke Ross
It's not sketchy, it's pretty much ritalin.
Now stuff like synthetic LSD and opiates I stay the fuck away from.
Parker Hall
>muh Sup Forums containment maymay >triggered by Sup Forums
Brayden Reed
Why does /prog/ bully itself so much? Or is it crossboarding, newfag scum that keeps making anti-programmer posts? Also fug off gommies, I don't want to hear about it.
Levi Morales
>go to home construction site, talk to boss >You: I'm a skilled craftsman. I've built beautiful staircases, wonderful elaborate mantelpieces, and have installed custom trim-work in multi-million dollar houses. I don't have any "formal" education, much of what I know is self-taught, but here are some pictures of some of my past work. I have my own tools. >Boss: You get the job!
It's the same thing. There are certain industries where people want a piece of work to be completed, and will hire someone who demonstrates that they are capable of producing that piece of work.
Who gives a flying fuck how they learned to do it, so long as they CAN do it?
Ian Gutierrez
Uh oh, someone is Logical Reasoning. That is Not Normal. I must call them Communist!
Communist!!!
Levi Hall
enjoy being NEET forever. enjoy putting a bullet through your head because you'll forever be alone.
Matthew Cox
Psychology isn't real, it's a kike pseudoscience.
Leo Rodriguez
oh shit you got me.
Lucas Collins
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Adrian Murphy
Because most people are simply incapable of programming, and of those who are capable, the majority are trash.
Pushing for everyone to at least attempt programming might help those who have the requisite faculties but have never been able to try their hand, to get into an industry that only those who command the upper echelons of intellect can master.
Streetshitters are deprecated. Cis white males are the past, and future of programming and computer science.
Parroting ignorance makes one look twice the fool.
Ian White
Psychiatry isn't psychology isn't psychotherapy
Brandon Brooks
How is atomoxetine working for you?
Michael Morgan
something interesting to note about these listed occupations is the huge amount of regulations, industry politics, and unions that exist solely to keep the number of workers low so that their pay can be higher
Christopher Thompson
>Thank god I never fell for the programming meme. Well, you are dumb as fuck anyway.
Cameron Collins
programs are like math not like construction
Isaiah Kelly
this
Benjamin White
reminder that GPL rewards "working for free" by being a viral licence that keeps gpl gpl, as opposed to a cuck license like mit or bsd that allows corporations to EEE.
Josiah Martinez
The difference is that programming is really easy and requires very little preexisting knowledge.
Similar to brick laying (except you don't need to be physically fit, just average intelligence) no special knowledge aside from what you learn on the job is needed and because the demand is high companies are willing to take risks.
You can not replace an mech. (or any other serious (so Comp. sci is not included) engineering or science degree) engineering degree by an online course, because you actually have to learn a lot of things that go beyond what the average person knows.
Christopher Cook
If you're going to work for free you might as well GPL it so no-one else can make money from your hard work.
Capitalists love making money from other people's hard work.
Christopher Scott
>Go to a construction firm >You: I taught myself structural engineering online >Firm: fuck off - ¡si senor, muy bueno building! ¡worko for oranges, senor si! - you're hired! t. american construction company
Samuel Watson
I love communism.
Jonathan Cook
>Who gives a flying fuck how they learned to do it, so long as they CAN do it? People with useless degrees.
Jayden Brown
By contributing to the GPL software I can be sure that my work can be used by anyone on this planet after me and not stolen, expropriated and privatized by the proprietors, the capitalists. This is obvious: capital literally extracts value from my consciousness, the whole of my being is structured by the economic neccesity -- I have to sell my labour power on the market in order to survive, but because of that my body and my brain have to be suited for the sale. And after that I can't even freely access the product of my labour. Not me, not my family, not my children or my descendants will be able to do that without being forced to participate in this Matrix. I want off this ride.
Lucas Johnson
Sure, keep telling yourself that. In the end you're the one going to a shrink, and I imagine nobody would pay to have your opinion about his mental health. You're just an entitled young little cunt.
Grayson Adams
You will not get hired as a structural engineer unless you have a degree. Maybe you will get a job as a craftsman if you know what you are doing but not much else.
And that is the difference OP doesnt understand, a programmer is someone who knows how to program it neither requires high intelligence nor a lot of training.
Thats why you can hire someone without a degree as a programmer, but not as a structural engineer.
Alexander Gomez
Spoken like a true psytard
Kayden Long
>parroting >posts link to someone else talking as a form of argument
>parroting
Really nigga
Juan Martin
Nah dude o-dsmt ftw other than the expense.
Jackson Fisher
You are not outsmarting your shrink, you know just enough to fool him. He knows a shitload more than you about basically every other aspect of Judaism
Hunter Kelly
Ladies and gentlemen I preset to you, without further ado, the Dunning-Kruger effect in full bloom.
Caleb Parker
Based Stallman poster
Samuel Rodriguez
Because today programmer is low-tier job varying from manufacture prol (codemonkey) to crafstman, but nothing near the complexity of structural engineer's job.
Christopher Lewis
You watched too much Mr Robot
Kayden Morris
Psychology is to leaning about human behavior as alchemy is to chemistry.
Jaxson Cook
>pay can be higher That's why pay for CS and Soft Engineers ppl is so damn low.
Nathaniel Walker
Idk bro I think knowing how to program is like knowing how to read. I guess town criers lost their jobs when literacy rates improved, but I don't think that really hurt anybody.
Leo Kelly
>Idk bro I think knowing how to program is like knowing how to read. I guess town criers lost their jobs when literacy rates improved, but I don't think that really hurt anybody. ever looked at unemployment rates of new CS grads? you'll be shocked how many don't have jobs.
Jayden Watson
I worry I'm doing this desu. I'm in the process of getting an autism diagnosis, but since I've realized a diagnosis has practical use (and worse: since I've realized the lack of a diagnosis leaves me "just a weirdo" without any medical justification for my decades of social failure and other oddities.) i keep feeling like when I'm called back to get done over properly I'm going to have to "game the tests" to protect the diagnosis, thus avoiding the main reason I tried to get checked in the first place (to satisfy mild curiosity.)
Bentley Lee
aka psychopath. shrinks are not mind reading humans. they are there to guide and assist you
Dominic Stewart
>Free-market libertarian >Avid programmer
did I get myself into the wrong profession?
Cameron King
>The difference is that programming is really easy and requires very little preexisting knowledge. idiot who never programemd detected
Hunter Gomez
No, just Commies are more vocal, as is normal for stupid people.
Carter Walker
Even if i invite all humans to learn programming it will not matter. Programming is hard , if you ever worked on a large project you will know that good programmers are hard to find.
Adrian Wilson
>welcome to pooinloo corp >if you dont know html, c++, java, sql, data structures, regex, windows server, unix, apache, C# We will not take you for 15$ / hour
Anthony Turner
self-taught programmers are shit college-taught programmers are shit you need both to write good code
Luke Ramirez
>effectively regulated >democracy LMAO
Cameron Morgan
you can try to make money with your program but theres absolutely no reason to buy it because i can just compile it from the source.
Jason Ramirez
>a national health care system, such as is found in all the other industrialized nations of the free world Doesn't work when you import millions of welfare dependent mud people who stab people, run them over with cars, and blow shit up
The NHS was great when it was just White britons using it.
Elijah Miller
>Communism in its purest form Is a pipe dream of upper middle class college students who don't actually do anything
Isaiah James
Because it's an industry based on output. What you are capable of creating supersedes whatever piece of paper you paid 40k for.
Same with art. You can go to a fancy art school but if a homeless guy who learned how to draw with his own shit has a better portfolio than you, guess who is getting the job?
Carter Martinez
And yet your shrink gets paid six figures a year while you get nothing for all your time and effort studying psych and neuro
Jordan Gonzalez
>new CS grads You mean retards who thought that going to a kike indoctrination camp would get them set for life?
College is the biggest scam of all time
Luke Torres
t. unemployed retard
Ryan Hill
>have a job >program as a hobby >upload things I think are interesting to github >sometimes someone comments nice he was looking for this >sometimes someone improves it >maybe one day I'll become a programmer instead professionally
I just really like programming. But I think if I make my career out of it I'll just end up maintaining Pascal legacy codebases or something so I'd rather just keep it as a hobby
Nolan Ortiz
this
but then again, if you did go to uni to study comp. science you SHOULD not be competing with people who learned to code by themselves. In fact if your job even involves coding at all you took a wrong turn somewhere
Evan Gutierrez
I'll take the b8, what does college provide that you can't get elsewhere without spending tens of thousands of dollars and being forced through bullshit humanities courses to condition you to worthless modern values?
Blake Long
The degree that prevents your resume from immediately being trashed by the computer.
Wyatt Edwards
wow what a deal, thank you based modernity
Brody Taylor
Enjoy working for 30k a year at some no name company in Wisconsin.
Evan Sanders
I was unaware all lawyers, engineers, and doctors work within the same work respectively and that they are never emoyed by private compeering entitees and that licensure requirements are just about ensuring levels of competence in professional careers that are directly reaponsible for the lives and livelihoods of other people.
Robert Reed
>licensure requirements are just about ensuring levels of competence in professional careers That's racist. What if blacks are disproportionately affected by systemic racism? We can't have standards because some people might not meet them.
Noah Anderson
I know you're trolling but I would never want a surgeon who got into medical school with a 2.5 GPA
Cooper Russell
>I'll take the b8, what does college provide that you can't get elsewhere without spending tens of thousands of dollars and being forced through bullshit humanities courses to condition you to worthless modern values? It seems that you're too retarded to go to college and too retarded to actually finish a degree. Now you're just posting nonsense to make yourself feel better about how retarded you are.
Every fucking employer will see through you. Every one of them That's why you'll forever be stuck with shit jobs.
Daniel Russell
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Hudson Barnes
Don't worry, we've adjusted their GPA to account for systemic racism. Surely there's no other reason that blacks score lower on average.
And don't worry, as long as two people have the same permission slip from the government to do work in this field, they have exactly the same abilities, because we're all equal, and there's no difference between any two human beings.
