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how do you pronounce GNU/Linux? >GNU Linux or >GNU slash linux
Hudson Rivera
Both are acceptable. I've recently taken to calling it GNU plus Linux.
Liam Butler
Even that link isn't in the general either
You are fired
Ryan Gray
Checked. Although "GNU/Linux" /ɡəˈnuː slæʃ ˈlJnəks/ is often pronounced without the slash, Stallman recommends explicitly saying the word "slash" or "plus" in order to avoid the mistaken suggestion that the Linux kernel itself is a GNU package, as is the case with GNU Linux-libre.
Jayden Jones
>Guix >pronounced "geeks" huh
Ryder Phillips
Friendly reminder that the OP is pushing the character limit already.
Julian Hernandez
Very nice.
John Robinson
>nonfree pronunciation what the fuck is this shit
Hudson Johnson
>recommends
Michael Clark
Then I """recommend""" that Stallman try to avoid prescribing user behavior under banner of 'software freedom'.
Carter Russell
I hope you're always ready to do the interjection, Sup Forums.
Me, well, I personally have a keyboard shortcut ($mod+i) that instantly loads up the pasta into my clipboard. All I have to do then is press the middle mouse button to paste it. Here's the command if anyone's interested cat ~/path/to/nterjection | xclip -i
and if you want to use Ctrl+v instead for some reason cat ~/path/to/interjection | xclip -i -selection clipboard
If you leave out the `-selection` flag, it defaults to the primary clipboard (the one you paste from with the middle mouse button).
Cooper Ramirez
Remove all this noise add more signal
>Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences. >*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread *** >Before asking for help, please check our list of resources. >If you would like to try out GNU/Linux you can do one of the following: >0) Install a GNU/Linux distribution of your choice in a Virtual Machine. >1) Use a live image and to boot directly into the GNU/Linux distribution without installing anything. >2) Dual boot the GNU/Linux distribution of your choice along with Windows or macOS. >3) Go balls deep and replace everything with GNU/Linux. >Resources: >Your friendly neighborhood search engine (try to use a search engine that respects your privacy such as searx, ixquick or startpage).
>Add this which explains exactly what Guix/GuixSD Why are you so obsessed with Guix dude? It has no place in the OP and the greentext you provided is the most important part of the OP.
Luke Sullivan
I'm always ready.
Ayden Jenkins
I was about to say that only autists and Jews care so much about semantics, but then I remembered Stallman is both.
Eli Ross
The green text is a pile of noise nobody reads or cares about, they'll still ask questions in here anyway without searching and you're inviting dual boot questions and winfags to fill the thread with their idiocy. This is Sup Forums not /r/ganoo
>Why obsessed with Guix It's literally the future of FSF, they are all working on it as the new flagship OS and functional pkg managers completely subsume all previous century package mgrs. fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/futureofguix/
Carson Lewis
If you think it's about semantics, you should really check the history of GNU and Linux. I recommend watching "Revolution OS". It's a pretty interesting watch.
Noah Powell
samefag
James Ortiz
>le jewish tricks meme brainlet spotted
Leo Mitchell
nobody cares
Adam James
samefag
Gavin Green
It's be a thing right after hurd, right?
Hunter Phillips
>You could taint things with nonfree software, but the base will always be pure I'm surprised that they are an FSF approved software with this kind of language. I will be emailing Richard about this. If these are the standards might as well approve Debian and a host of other distributions of GNU plus Linux that don't have non free packages by default.
Liam Diaz
>1.3 Motivations
>1.3.1 Has this ever happened to you?
>My system failed mid-upgrade and now it's BORKED >Oh no I thought this upgrade was okay but now it isn't >My server is a special snowflake and I have no idea how to reproduce or replace it >This deployment system has a turing tarpit of custom config languages (I've fallen and I can't get out!) KEK. There motivations aren't even an issue for most distros and 99.9% of users. What are they doing that's unique again? What a joke.
Benjamin Myers
You can always put non-free software on free software, no way to prevent it.
Noah Campbell
First time Linux user here.
Just installed Arch and was wondering if you had any desktop environments to recommend. I already tried Plasma 5 but it the browser always crashed when I opened a website, and if I tried to many times the whole things freezes and I have to shutdown my PC.
Ryan King
idk if this is for linux general but here it goes: I'm trying to download all video descriptions of all videos from a youtube channel, together with titles. I've managed to figure out this so far: youtube-dl --write-description --auto-number --skip-download --verbose however it doesn't write the video name and only first 100chars or so of the descriptions are written down in files. Ideally it would write descriptions fully and name the file with the name of a video. Right now the filenames are 01234-URL.description
Lincoln Walker
install gentoo
Josiah Murphy
xfce is simple and works fast. i would recommend that.
Easton Wood
>You can always put non-free software on free software, no way to prevent it. NO SHIT. That's not the point. Why do you think there are only 9 FSF approved distros when there are many distros that ARE libre that aren't on the list?
Grayson Kelly
Ehh their website doesn't do it much justice. I want something more modern. I plan on making Linux my primary operating system.
Jack Collins
Allow me to shill
If anybody here actually knew of the FSF manifesto instead of just being larpers or shilling memes they'd know the orig plan of Stallman was to remove the systems administrator, so the regular, unpriv'd user can fully install and uninstall programs themselves without some arbitrary authority getting involved. That's where Guix came in, after (in true GNU fashion) they cloned it from NixOS to make a free version.
It also satisfies the FSF manifesto of a totally distributed packaging system w/reproducible builds, so you can get a copy of a package from anywhere, and instantly verify it is correct. No more GPG sigs or centralizes repositories.
It also replaced Docker, and other such containers or developer environments like RVM or Gem/Bundler or Virtualenv ect because you have complete dependency tracking. Dpkg/yum/pacman can install all build-time and runtime dependencies, but it cannot do unprivileged package installation to isolated user environments. And none of them can precisely describe the full dependency graph (all the way down to the C compiler’s compiler) but Guix can.
Dominic Carter
well, xfce is as pretty as you make it, just install numix, arc and stuff and it will look modern.
outofbox modern would probably be KDE or gnome, both quite resource heavy. Try out gnome, maybe you'll like it but I personally cannot recommend it (looks like shit imo).
those are basically the easy options, else you could try go the autist route with ricing and tiling wms
Jeremiah Williams
>I want something more modern. I plan on making Linux my primary operating system.
What's 'not modern' about Xfce?
DE isn't that important anyways, nothing stopping you from installing multiple DEs and using whatever you're in the mood for. Also GNOME is probably considered the most modern. Still can't understand how you had trouble with KDE though. You'll probably run into trouble with others too. Seems like you fucked something up tbqh.
Oliver Bell
And replaced systemd, GNU dmd/initrd is written in scheme, giving access to all of the features and libraries that guile has
so - scheme init - scheme system provisioning down to the checksum and state of the system - scheme package manager
All have open APIs allowing for advanced symbolic meta-linguistic abstraction of servers which means your entire server or desktop (or hundreds of thousands of servers) can now be a function called in a program, controlling it's whole state and everything. That's crazy
Anthony Morales
How is any of this useful or different for an average PC user?
Hudson Wood
>average PC user Whoops! Looks like you took a wrong turn, friendo. Please try AOL keyword COMPUTERS for all the latest tech-savvy trends, news, and tips!
Daniel Foster
>-i You don't need that, read the manpage or -h output.
Justin Perry
Your browser has nothing to do with the environment. There is a list of environment in the Arch Wiki.
Angel Sullivan
>judging something based off a website and not the product itself >using he "modern" buzzword
Maybe someone would help you if you weren't such a pretentious idiot.
Eli Morris
What the fuck is your problem? It's a reasonable question. Considering that you're employing fallacies it's obvious that there is no real compelling reason to use Guix. All you have is a bunch of buzzwords that don't actually amount to anything.
David Watson
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Brandon Allen
You're in the wrong thread buddy. We're friendly around here. Go away.
Benjamin Hernandez
I was actually gaining interest in Guix until this little fiasco played itself out.
Jaxon Baker
Oh OK, maybe somebody else will kindly provide an answer to your question, friend. Better luck next time.
Xavier Long
>I let shitposting influence my real life decisions awesome, glad to hear it, welcome
Owen Brown
>implying that this isn't real life Don't fallacy me bro
Anthony Lee
When I open a pdf in Ubuntu half the pages are scrambled. Works fine in windows....
halp
Charles Long
youare pdf is broken consult your professor
Mason Collins
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Grayson Richardson
use GIMP, easily the best pdf viewer on gnu/linux
Owen Scott
Is there an email client which.
>would have a simple ncurses or similar interface (run in my terminal) >allows me to write messages using my preferred editor (vim) >isn't some convoluted mess which requires me to set up 10 packages and connect them all together
I checked Alpine and Mutt and they aren't quite what I wanted. I couldn't get Mutt to work (PEBCAK, I know), so I didn't get to the sending part to see which editor it allows me to use.
Jaxson Johnson
mutt
Christopher Carter
I'm doing a gentoo install on a thinkpad x201 and I fail at making my kernel.
I have compilation errors about wireless when I tried doing the config myself.
I then did make localyesconfig make && make modules_install
It compiled and when I finished the install and rebooted, I had graphic issues.
Can some user that also have a x201 share his .config please?
I'm getting a feeling of failure and consider doing a genkernel.
Anyone with an xps 15 here? How does Linux run on it? It seems like the best current gen laptop with good Linux support. Because I don't want to mess with proprietary nvidia drivers or optimus, I'll probably just permanently disable the nvidia GPU and use integrated graphics- is that doable?
Nathaniel Anderson
I can start any display manager, but these in turn cannot start my xsession regardless of whether they're started as root. However, startx works just fine even unprivileged. How2fix? strace doesn't show anything weird, none of the log have any messages (the session just stops and nobody knows why).
Luis Williams
the plot thickens: cdm just werks (but has its obvious flaws so I don't want to rely on it), and after closing the session started with cdm, I can use my other DMs without problem.
Lincoln Harris
When is devuan going to come out of beta?
Sebastian Parker
something strange is happening in last few days
when i install something from aur, i cant find it. i install is with yaourt but shit aint in system. Just now i install visual-studio-code and i cant find it anywhere, when i search with dmenu nothing shows
David Moore
pacman -Ql visual-studio-code
Blake Hernandez
>I have compilation errors about wireless when I tried doing the config myself.
Do the config manually yourself, set your wirless module to [M]. If after exiting menuconfig it warns you about blablabla needs CONFIG_SOMETHING=y then enable that option.
Zachary Taylor
it shows a bunch of files but i cant start it like normal program, what should i do?
Isaiah Miller
>using arch
Josiah Perry
look at the files and think critically
Grayson Martin
don't do this news links are redundant
Josiah Peterson
lol, fucking niggers changed name to just "code" and thats why i couldt find it
Jordan White
why would you use microsoft crapware? use vim/emacs if you're a man or atom if you're a manlet
Michael Green
Just use gedit
Chase Howard
gedit is nice for taking notes, but for editing text, you need a more powerful tool like vim or emacs
Blake Jones
After some years I'm tired of Arch. Fuck it. Wanted to use Void but it's still not mature enough for me. Does debian sid still have most packages?
Camden Price
yup
Cameron Sanchez
Question, how do I find the name of the package that I need to install?
Say I want to install KDE, how do I know that the package name is kde-full or kde-desktop?
Is there a way to browse repositories along with package descriptions?
Kevin Rodriguez
All package managers have a search and package information function. rtfm
Anthony Scott
Good. Too bad apt sucks. Guess I'll have to get used to it.
Dylan Harris
>can't use program X >program X sucks nice logic
Wyatt White
You're telling me apt's better than xbps and pacman?
Nolan Howard
You're telling me that you know that apt is bad without even reading it's manuals?
Jose White
Linux is degenerate communist propaganda and is corrupting the youth. This filth needs to be banned and destroyed.
Luke Young
apt-cache search ^gentoo
Gavin White
You're telling me I don't have any experience with debian-based distros?
Ethan Peterson
Obviously you don't when you aren't even able to search for a package.
Charles Cruz
>implying I'm not able to search for a package
Mason Gonzalez
>gentoo - fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager lmao
Nathaniel Foster
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Cooper Foster
>Too bad apt sucks. Why do you say that?
Luke Gutierrez
>tfw your friends are too tech illiterate to stop using Skype
>1234 >nice 1. As said, browser performance is not (usually) affected by your DE, and certainly not by kde 2. There are a ton of desktops and wms to choose from, maybe post something with a little more detail as to what you want 3. You need to get that browser issue checked too
