Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions in general.
Always state the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA. If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price, or improve specs or build quality.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
>Have a budget, but don't know where to start? This will recommend you a parts list based on price. logicalincrements.com/
>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information. pastebin.com/F9diF2hA
>Consider a G4560 instead of i3; similar performance, up to 50% cost reduction. >Consider using an i5 6500/7500 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build. >Consider stock fan+heatsink for any locked CPU build without a Z mobo. >Add a SSD even for budget builds, it's easier to add HDD later than replacing OS drive. >The only worthwhile gfx cards are the GTX1050Ti, RX470, GTX1060 6GB, RX480.
If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with
exclusively gaming, with room to improve as new Intel chips come out
Adrian Watson
Should I get i5 7500 or 7600?
Ethan Clark
>i5 Stop this meme. Get a Ryzen 5 and B350 board. Also >acer monitor
Michael Long
Neither
Sebastian Brooks
no, i'm not waiting for anything else. if you /pcbg/ had their way, no one would ever actually build a computer because they'd always want you to wait for whatever is on the horizon.
Michael Sanchez
>Waiting
You can buy them right now on Ebay or wait for 10 days for official release. Stop being a retard.
Kevin Collins
>buying a chip that has its pins on the CPU instead of the motherboard.
still no, buying intel.
Austin Sanders
Enjoy being a moneywasting retard with a throttled PC then. Don't ask for opinions if you're too stupid to take good advice.
Lincoln Brown
All of the benchmarks have it at a much lower single-core performance, what makes it better than the i5?
There are. You only need a B350 board. Though there is a single X370 ITX board too.
Anthony Allen
From what I'm seeing, it's only Micro ATX and the one X370 ITX
I'm just gonna switch my 7600k to a 6700k
Liam Turner
Better than a 7600k thank fuck.
Cooper Anderson
HAF912.
Jordan Miller
Are 768p TN monitors bad?
I will buy a BenQ monitor so i dont use my family TV for s long time for $1500 MXN.
John Nguyen
Current setup, with prices paid for upgrades through the years pcpartpicker.com/list/mNyyRG >so close to mahnigger Pretty happy, thinking of i7 3770 and faster ram then holding out for Zen+
Worth it? 2x8 Dominator 2400 mhz on craigs for $100, sure I could get it for less. i7 3770 non K are around $100 on the bay. Can sell mine after.
Zachary Baker
why is this general filled with ayymd shills? Isn't that btfo one month ago enough?
Juan Reed
same case. almost same cooler just slide off the back panel and you can pop the backplate on if it is mAtX or ATX mobo. my eATX doesn't line up with the opening.
Wyatt Ortiz
And before anyone asks >1080p and or IPS I need to pay debts, is that or nothing. >$1500 MXN $70 USD.
Zachary Hall
>RGB shit please throw yourself from a fucking pear or something.
Also why ASUS? ASUS boards are bricking themselves if you're unlucky.
The Kraken X62 doesn't fit AM4 yet.
Make sure your RAM actually runs at the advertised speed.
Grayson Morales
Alright, thanks.
Jose Adams
Asus is a sponsor, and i've had nothing but good luck with them in the past
thanks on the cooler, i'll check on other ones
and this is just for pure performance, i'm not paying for any of this
Christopher Allen
Not him but its only 2% fail rate, what could go wrong?
>Tfw just ordered an ASUS motherboard and im worried something might go wrong
Brandon Phillips
When the fuck are they going to restock ASrock X370 taichis?
Wasn't that just a problem with the early BIOS? So far it seems like the Crosshair VI is the best AM4 motherboard around, followed by the ASRock Fatality Professional gaming
Daniel Watson
This. Only the beta BIOS would brick. Going from 0702 to 0902 was completely safe.
Levi Hill
Daily reminder to stop recommending the 2 core meme CPU for "budget gaming"
You will get memed on hard if you fall for it. All modern games will have horrible stutter on it. 2 cores simply can't keep up.
Either buy a used i5 or an FX
Justin Wright
that's just the minimum framerate, which isn't indicative of studder. it just means that for one split-second it dropped down to 21fps.
Jack Perry
AKA stutter.
Jeremiah Turner
Get pentium g4560. Save you a lot of money while single thread performance is superb and it also has hyperthreading. Inb4 >two cores in 2k17 You don't need more than two cores, amd shills.
Lincoln Hernandez
fuck off retard
Asher Barnes
Min frame rate is irrelevant because shit happens all the time, not decrease gaming experience, and it has nothing to do with CPU because graphics rendering is heavily relying on GPU alone. If you want to increase min frame rate, get a better GPU like 1060 6gb or 1070 to pair with g4560, which later one is my current rig. All AAA games above 90 fps and it runs smoothly. A $65 CPU could get the job done why would you get scammed by amd's more than 4 """"cores"""" """"CPU""""? Do your own research and then you have experience to debate me, kiddo.
>I'm a fucking retard and considering an i3/i5 because I don't think a G4560 is good enough >or I'm more retarded and think I can get nearly the performance in gaymes and general PC use from a 6700k as a 7700 non-k by overclocking it (protip: I can't) >$1345 No, you have no fucking clue what you're doing. Get a 7700-nonk. It's a bit lower clocked, but its 8 threads at 3.6-4.2ghz is better than a 7600k at 4.9Ghz on average without costing you lots of on electricity. It's locked, but you weren't even going to overclock it anyway. pcpartpicker.com/list/Cy9yRG
Compare that to people listing $1450 for a fucking 7600k with a 1080. $100 cheaper, way better memory, better SSD, better everything.
>I want like that above, but I think moar coars will pay off better with future games, overclockable, and the extra upgradability that comes with AM4 socket support Same thing, but swap out the 7700 for a 1600 or 1600X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard. If 1600X, add a cooler. Should be ~$50 cheaper. Better in some games, worse in others. Much better multitask.
>I want the absolute cheapest that's still good, and has a good upgrade path to upgrade incrementally later. >1080p 60fps in 95% of games >$590. $490 if you replace the 525GB SSD with a 1TB HDD pcpartpicker.com/list/mTN2f8
>I want the cheapest that handles 1440p 60fps minimum well, or that will continue to do 60fps minimum in most games and more current games than the G4560 does Take the G4560 system and replace the CPU with a 1400 or 1500X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard. Replace GPU with an R9 Fury ($235) /1070 ($310-$370).
>i'm poor as fuck, but instead of getting an extra job I want to play video games all day >$300 Refurbished A12-9800 non-pro for
Anthony Thompson
Swap 6700k with pentium g4560 then you're good to go.
Austin Thompson
lol orly
Jackson Moore
Don't misguide him. Don't tell him to wait for AMD which is always DOA. Don't listen to the shills above. Get g4560 and you are done.
Hudson Gonzalez
How much does Intel pay you?
Lincoln Sanchez
Yes I'm running the similar build right now expect one 1070 instead of two 1080 because that would be a bit overkill, but one 1070 with g4560 would btfo any ryzen build systematically and occasionally.
Evan Butler
Actually they didn't pay me anything except tho, I pay $65 for a pentium g4560 and in return I got nice customer support as well as great drivers and gaming optimization, which in case you didn't know, something AMD fanboys has never had.
Ethan Sullivan
another fucktarded OP recommending an i5-7500.
Who are you that keeps posting this same busted bullshit?
Caleb Perry
You clearly didn't read my post.
I equally recommended Intel and AMD CPUs depending on the preference and use case.
I recommend drowning yourself.
Samuel Hernandez
I did and I think you didn't read my post. AMD CPUS ARE SCAM, so you know that and you should not push him off the cliff. Just recommend Intel to everyone like a good Samaritan. Hope you doing well.
Michael Lee
I'm so confused.
Eli Ross
think I did pretty good
Hudson Morales
RBG shit's awesome, my keyboard's backlight turns from green to red as my processor heats up. You just need to accept the future.
Hudson Miller
>Buy FX in 2017 kys
Gabriel Collins
I mean if you already have the motherboard, and can overclock it, and a have a good enough cooler for said overclocking... I guess it's okay.
But jesus wasting money on new memory too..
Liam Hughes
>got it with a mobo for $100 Can't get me mad today, m8
Jacob Walker
I debated going over to ddr4 but the cheapest CPU with the instructions I was looking for was the 6100. Needless to say it didn't persuade me to make the jump. At least the RAM will look pretty with my H7...hopefully.
Carter Diaz
Done really good in the CPU and mobo. But as always, try for an rx 480. The fuck, a $5 platinum 750W PSU. If you're scoring that well, go bananas on the GPU.
William Moore
Good deal desu. Nice find.
William Russell
Thanks pham, really the 470 is the only component I regret. I got it as soon as newegg started adding dropping the 470 prices with a lot of add ons. I thought it couldn't get much better so pulled the trigger. Now 480 8GB are hitting the $150 range and now I cry myself to sleep.
I sniped the PSU from ebay with a $30 ebay coupon and rebate cards I forgot I had. Still has about 5 years of guest EVGA warranty on it.
Noah Wilson
>$150 range what's "range" they're literally on sale for $150 at least once a week.
Parker Adams
well shit
Jonathan Hughes
>get a bentium, new board and ram so I can have worse performance than my 5 year old locked cpu? Sounds legit. valid.x86.fr/e5h92j >i5 6600 barely beats it It was only $70 on ebay.
Evan Baker
>rx480 8gb for $150 What? Where do you find this? All I see is always 200ish.
Adrian Campbell
>480 8GB all I see it 200-250 lol
Lucas Lee
Any ryzen itx boards on the horizon or will i have to go for a larger case?
Bentley Cox
What the hell how is that psu so cheap
Charles Butler
I need some input on optimal fan configurations. I'm looking to get as much cooling performance out of my AIO's as possiible in hopes of getting a bit more headroom. I have a 240mm rad intake in the front of my case with 2 corsair sp120s and a 120mm ~55cfm fan not attached to a rad. A 120mm intake with some power logic fan for my gpu. 2 120mm phanteks exhausting in the top fan spots.
If I install 2 more fans on the front rad and 1 more on the back for push-pull how important it is that they have similar performance to the fans already mounted on them? I don't want to buy more fans than I have to. Also I should be looking for static pressure over air flow correct?
Comes with Doom as well. If you value that at like $15, then really it was $135. (or sell Doom for $15)
Other things you can do.. well there's $190 for the Sapphire Nitro model. If you get $200 of Newegg gift cards from Groupon using Ebates and buy from newegg through Ebates, that saves 19%. That makes it $153. But the Nitro isn't really the best model.
Probably bought from a friend? EVGA has a sale going on at their website, though. 550W PSU for $20. 980Ti for $325. Some pretty good stuff.
Not sure if they'll be here for Ryzen 5 release but "soon".
Buying new DDR3 that won't work with Zen is incredibly dumb. You're better off just buying Zen now so you'll have the AM4 motherboard and DDR4 RAM and then upgrading to Zen++ or something further down the road.
Jordan Sanders
holy fuck that looks like its going to suck in so much dust when all you have is 3 fans pushing out through radiators and nothing esle.
You need intake fans behind dust filters up top, is probably the only way you can manage that in that case.
Just get positive pressure in the case with intake fans and that's help about as much as push-pulling (especially with push fans designed for radiators already) AND help dust at the same time.
Ian Gomez
There's an X370 ITX board out. All other vendors I think are preparing for Ryzen 5 ITX launch.
Jonathan Cooper
It currently does have positive air pressure. The 120 fan in the rear is an intake, and three in takes up front. The two top mounted 120mm fans are exhausts.
John Jackson
>pulling hot air through your radiator and into your case so the other radiator is pushing hot air through ... kay.
Do I really have to explain how that's not ideal? Like... it's so basic. I think a majority of 6th grade science students would know not to do that if given it on a test. Radiators should ALWAYS take air from inside the case and push that air out.
You need to reverse all your fans. Get 140mms for the top if you can to pull air in.
Ideally you'd put your 240/280mm up front to the top instead, and put your small radiator outside the case so it can fit, but you probably can't given that it's an AIO. That way you could have big front fans as intakes.
Xavier Wilson
>Buying new DDR3 that won't work with Zen is incredibly dumb. I was going to offer $80, flip my ram on ebay for whatever it'll fetch. got $35 for 4x2 xms3 1600 figure4 I could get $60 out of my set. I still have all the packaging.
Asher Taylor
>pulling hot air through your radiator
Yes I'm sure the ambient temperature outside the case is higher than the temperature inside the case you fucking idiot.
Benjamin Perez
They are both pulling cool, ambient temperature air, into the case. There are two fans ontop of the case exhausting hot air. You say that radiators should always be taking hot air from inside the case and blowing it out but why? The only things not being cooled by the AIOs are ram, mobo, hdd, all of which have fine temperatures. It's not like the air coming in from the rads and extra non-rad fan is 10000c, just slightly above ambient, and it's being exhausted efficiently through 2 120mm fans at the top of the case, where the warmest of the air is going to be.
Camden Ramirez
What are some good quiet case fans with no bells and whistles that I can use to intake? Don't care much about static pressure as I have a custom loop already, just want to achieve positive pressure to keep dust out.
140mm and 120mm are both fine I suppose though I'd prefer 120mm.
Henry Ramirez
I'm not trying to be belligerent btw, just woke up. I think I'm just doing a poor job of explaining how it's set up. I'll come back after work with a diagram showing air flow.
Brandon King
lmao? You fill the case with hot air that heats your VRMs and shit.
You want to pull ambient air in and then push that ambient air through your radiators and outside the case.
Noah Martinez
I totally understand that but I am limited by the fact that my 240mm rad will not fit at the top of the case due to ram clearance. That being said the motherboard never gets past 40c, the air is only marginally warmer after passing through the rads and there is an intake that is not attached to a rad so it should be fine. If I add extra fans to both rads do they have to be the same model as the ones already on them to improve performance or will any additional fans on them do nothing but help?
In that picture the front rad is push/pull but I've since taken those fans off.
Adrian Sanchez
Oh, I assumed it was just the small rad that was in the way.
You can't take off and replace the RAM heatsinks?
The way it's done is okay. Just not optimal.
The problem you're having is probably just the problem inherit with AIOs which is heatsoak. Not having a large reservoir means that little bit of liquid in them more easily gets heated up faster than it can disappate.
From what I've seen in tests, push+pull doesn't do anything now days when you use fans made for radiators, as a single radiator fan will pretty much saturate as much airflow as you can get through it. push+pull only gave benefits when using the usual low pressure case fans from ages ago.
If you had a custom loop you could obviously get thicker radiators, 45mm thick or more. But AIOs are simply shit and generally worse than high end air cooling, or when they are better than high end air it's at the expense of being 4x noisier.
Anthony Hughes
/***********************Help a Nigga Out***********************/
About to put together a custom loop in an InWin 901. It's primarily going to be to cool the 1080Ti I have coming because my current 1080 gets to 91C in that case so I can only imagine what kind of furnace an extra 70W of TDP will turn my case into.
It's a small case so probably tricky but I've decided on 1 120mm rad in the bottom and 1 120mm rad at the back.
Problem is, my CPU is gonna stay air-cooled since it runs pretty cool anyway (when my GPU isn't dumping hot air into the case) but will the rad pulling hot air in mean that CPU temps will rise significantly?
Any ideas of how I could better mount the cooling? or even how i could manage some extra rads? I can remove the hard drive cage if necessary to make room for another rad or something but it would have nowhere to exhaust and I'm not prepared to drill any holes in the case since that would fuck up the aesthetic of the case.
Also any tips on which rads to use? I've put everything together with the EK configurator and it's come to $400ish. I'd like to save a bit if I can.
pic related, it's a "fairly" recent pic of the PC from about a year ago. Not much as changed besides switching from a 970 to a 1080 and getting some new Klevv Genuine ram.
How hard would it to be get an i7 7700k to run Windows 7 and which mobos would make the process easier (manufacturers releasing tools, etc)? Assuming I also have a SATA disc drive for the Win7 disc. What issues can I expect after a successful installation and boot?
David Bennett
I wish I could afford an open loop but I was able to get both aios for only ~50 more than I would have paid for air cooling. I don't want to fuck with the ram, it's an expensive kit 3600mhz cl16. My game scales very well with mem frequency.
I may be able to get the 240mm up top if I buy 2 slim fans and that will allow me to use it and the 120mm rad as exhausts and mount 3 140mm intakes up front. This is going to require buying way more fans than I had wanted to though.I tried pic related but it didn't work well. Front panel limits air flow too much.
Also I think the temp sensor on my 980ti is fucked because sometimes it just goes up unacceptably high for seemingly no reason and then comes down. I just reseated the pump/block with cryonaut paste and flipped the GPU rad so the tubes go into the bottom which evga says is optimal. Shits driving me nuts. that case is unacceptably attractive. do want
Ryder Thomas
You are paying a shit load of money for aesthetics. As long as you realize that, whatever. A 1080ti will probably give better experience than 1080 sli unless you're building for a specific game that has good sli support and it's your primary concern.
Your post reeks of bait though.
Brandon Taylor
this is goal-tier, planning to build by the years end
David Powell
>SLI Dropped for being retarded already.
Charles Nguyen
Looks fine. It's a lot of money, but nothing wrong with it.
I'd get 1 1080Ti and even then you're going to CPU bottleneck in some games like BF1 multiplayer. Also with that sort of money being spent, I'd get a fanless or Seasonic 80+ Titanium PSU.
Oh. I just noticed both SSDs are only 500gb... why? Why not just get a 1TB 960 Evo NVMe and add a 1TB or 2TB SATA SSD on later...?
You just have to manually download patches, as far as I can see. But since you're going through the trouble, just use Linux and dual boot or run Windows in a VM so you don't have to bother with Windows much.
Hunter Harris
idk what game you play but since buying fast ddr4 I swear by it. You could buy 16gb of the best ram on the market for less than your rgb 32gb kit. Some games go up in fps like crazy. I play WoW like a faggot but check out the graph. One is mistitled. The bottom graph is stock 6600k/ddr4 2133, the top right is stock 6600k/ddr4 3600 cl16, the top left is OC 6600k/3600 cl16. You're going to want as much "cpu" perf as you can get with that much gpu power and memory performance falls into the "cpu" bottleneck tier. Just something to consider. I'm sure some people will disagree but it's not like there is anywhere else to put the money you would save by getting slower ram, you're already buying the best GPUs on the market.
Carson Green
why are there literally zero hardwood cases >heat dissipation is it really that bad
Jacob Mitchell
>only 50 more I'm pretty certain those Corsair AIOs are worse than a high end Noctua or Be Quiet! air cooler, so why is spending more for them better?
I really don't get why pcfags buy into this a2w meme so easily when carfags are so unconvinced of a2w intercoolers which can actually work as long as they are supported properly. I guess since PCs don't literally explode when you use a shitty a2w aio
Na, a wood case would work perfectly fine.
And actually there are wood cases. There's templates to cut cases out of that particle-board shit.
Asher Reyes
>There's templates to cut cases out of that particle-board shit i was hoping for cases milled from a solid block of mahogany or something, not IKEAshit
Eli Barnes
Then mill one.
Jason Miller
>You just have to manually download patches, as far as I can see. Right, thank you. Just wondering if some of the more popular manufacturers (MSI/Gigabyte) have released tools/patches to make that easier, as I've head was the case for Skylake. >But since you're going through the trouble, just use Linux and dual boot or run Windows in a VM so you don't have to bother with Windows much. I'll do that if it turns to be too obtuse, yeah. I was going to dualboot anyways.
Christopher Thomas
The reason why it has those FPS with Pentium is because of the AMD GPU which only run well with quad cores, while Nvidia cards run fine even with a dual core.