Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions in general. >It doesn't make sense to spend 3x more for an i5-7400 for only 15% more performance over a G4560 edition
State the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA. If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price, or improve specs or build quality.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information. pastebin.com/F9diF2hA
>G4560 is the best if your budget is only around $500. >i3 and i5 are no longer worth getting, with the exception of the i3-7350K if all you run is console emulators and Dwarf Fortress >If you want an 7700k and can't afford it, consider a locked 7700 as it can be around $250 cheaper in total, and even cheaper than a 7600k while outperforming a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k on average, and you weren't going to overclock anyway. >Consider only getting an SSD for what you planned to spend on an SSD+HDD, and adding a HDD later once you need it. >The only worthwhile gfx cards are RX470 4GB, RX480 8GB, 1070 6GB, 1080, 1080Ti.
If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with
So I was looking at getting another hard drive, my 1tb is filling up fast. I looked at the mobo and it seems that there are Sata ports without the connector, does the controller (I think that's the part) need to be soldered on? Or is there a clip connector thing I can use so I can attach a Sata hard drive to the empty port. If all else fails my graphics card is covering up too Sata ports I could use, but that'd be a bitch to try to access without unplugging my graphics card
Austin Bell
Which are the best board partners for GPUs and motherboards?
Wyatt Bell
My new build has risen :^)
Luis Gomez
>my 1tb is filling up fast. how?
Aiden Lee
You're interested in soldering extra parts onto your motherboard but are too lazy to lift a fucking GPU? I sense bad times ahead.
Juan Cruz
>g4560 vs 7350k please What do you mean by this?
ASUS tends to pretty good GPUs despite their meh mobos now days.
Personally I've had great luck with Sapphire and MSI. All my Sapphire and MSI cards have never died and run as good or better than they were new even when I bitcoin mined on them and shit.
easy
Sebastian Adams
the way I see it, you have 3 options, from cheapest to most expensive:
1. buy a larger hard drive, and replace your 1tb drive 2. buy a pci express card with additional sata ports 3. new motherboard with more sata ports 4. build or buy a NAS
And retard tier: Use OneDrive™ to store more files
Jayden Cook
>easy can niggers not ready or something?
I asked for specifically how its filling up so fast.
Do you just download every porn video you watch or what?
Adam Jackson
7350k = a $170 4560 that only gets like 15% performance increase while getting hotter and requiring a more expensive motherboard
Nicholas White
>What do you mean by this? pros and cons
Ryder Harris
Any recommendation for a 600+W sfx psu? The pastebin only lists atx models
Luis Cruz
Serious question, I haven't built a PC in 6 years, but my last build had ab i7, one of the first gens, why does no one buy i7s anymore? Every post I read is i3 vs i5. My i7 has lasted many years and still does okay. With a 660Ti, I play GTA 5 and the latest Mass Effect game acceptably well. Definitely not on lax settings, but good enough. Glad I went with an i7 all those years ago.
Sebastian Powell
what is a good 144hz freesync™ 1080p monitor? Something that won't clash with my Dell U2715H (27")
Alexander Butler
>why does no one buy i7s anymore? people do, dont listen to the retards telling you to buy i3's or i5's.
Andrew Williams
i7 is worthless now when Ryzen 7 is released. Ryzen 5/3 will be released very soon, (6c/12t and 4c/8t)
Effectively ending the need for i7 entirely.
Before Ryzen, it was because most games only utlize 2-4threads. Benefits of 4c/8t Intel i7 was not seen, maybe 10-15% better, but nearly 50% more (over i5). It wasn't seen as good purchase.
Samuel White
7700K only good if paired with this board or another overclocking board
Gabriel Torres
i3-7350k and G4560 are similar. Both 2c/4t. Very similar IPC. G4560 is 3.5ghz. i3-7350k has 4.2ghz base clock and can overclock to the same 4.8-5.1 as a 7700k.
Nothing you can't find for google.
A 7350k is only for emulators and dwarf fortress, like the OP notes. I don't know what else I could possibly tell you.
Because some retards that have no clue what they're talking about convinced other retards that the 7600k is the same exact thing as the 7700k because of untrue nonsense like "HT doesn't do anything" or "nothing uses over 4 threads". So you have lots of people wasting money on 7600ks.
That, or they're buying Ryzen instead now since it's better value.
Carter Cox
Anyone ever tried to build their own hdd enclosure / direct attached storage (as in one holding multiple HDDs, say 4 or more)? All the solutions available on the market are expensive as fuck, what normally costs $1000+ you could build out of chink shit components and stuff we all probably have lying around for $50.
Aaron Ward
Games
Landon Butler
The easiest imo would be to just plug in the Sata under the graphics card, but I'm not gonna do that if I don't have any hdd to plug it into. I was more so wondering if that is how I would use those ports, if soldering would be required.
Blake Robinson
Anyone know of any good deals for something like a 1060? or a new CPU + MOBO?
I hate buying retail price, but am desperate for an upgrade.
Brandon Parker
>The easiest imo would be to just plug in the Sata under the graphics card, but I'm not gonna do that if I don't have any hdd to plug it into.
didn't even read that far, or I wouldn't have responded to your retarded post, just do that
Hunter Wood
Oh.
I forgot to put R9 Fury in the OP as a GPU worth considering.
Hudson Davis
>Anyone know of any good deals for something like a 1060 You can get a 1060 for really cheap by buying an RX480.
Last I checked, you could still get an 8GB ROG Strix RX480 for $150.
Jonathan Lopez
>150 dollaritoes for a RX480 >check yuropean prices >oh maybe I'll just import i- >oh right the import fees I can honestly see why arabs bomb europe countries
Nolan Williams
Where for $150? I'm seeing around $230
Angel Wilson
What are the most cost effective improvements I could make to this build, and at what settings could I expect to run modern games on this? I'm building a PC now so I can play Destiny 2 on it when it comes out.
Jordan Diaz
It's on newegg for $200.
Then you use ebates+groupon for newegg giftcards and that brings it down to $150.
The most cost effective upgrade would be to buy a i7-4770k or locked i7-4790 (non-k for the 4790 as the k ones are ridiculous prices) if you can find it for like $260 and afford it, or to upgrade the video card to a 4GB RX470 if you can grab one for $120 or less.
And/or just upgrade to a Ryzen 1400 which will give you a better future upgrade path for fairly cheap if you can somehow get cheap DDR4.
Elijah Fisher
I'm the second guy
I do live in Canada which is something I forgot to mention and both of those CPUs you mentioned are like $400. Getting that and the video card you recommend double the price. Are there any midway upgrades?
Jeremiah Gutierrez
You guys don't ONLY play games on your computers right? How often do you use your desktop and what do you do on it?
My old friend built his first machine and he legitimately only uses it for games. Sits down, turns it on, opens game, turns it off. This just makes no sense to me. If I'm home, I am on my PC and I am always home. I don't think he has a single thing installed on the machine besides chrome, games, and skype. I use it about 6 hours on weekdays, 16 hours on weekends. I'm in my web browser 70% of the time, talking to people 10%, games 20%.
Landon Gray
I would say the best thing to do is camp ebay and bid on a faster CPU for that socket until you get a good price and then wait for a rx470 sale. You'll be set for 1080p/60hz. Really take your time though, you can get used processors really cheap on some auctions and the same goes for the rx470. I've seen 470s at like $120. Then save up and treat yourself to a $40 ssd for windows and your favorite game.
Liam Martin
pcpartpicker.com/list/Bqcrhq Here's what I have, planning on running Win7 Pro on it. Thoughts? I'm a eurofag so the RX 480 4GB is only 10€ more expensive than the RX 470 4GB for some reason. My budget is 600€, which is what this comes up to on my end.
Nolan Miller
What do you guys suggest I upgrade? I have a 600 W power supply if that matters
Aaron Hall
A second monitor should be your first priority. Treat yourself to a nice ips 1080p panel the same size as your current one and a cheap mount. If your cooling is shit, improve it to OC that 4690k, unless it already is, I can't tell from the screenshot. Wait until next gen's midrangers come out and get the new rx480 or gtx 1160. Possibly another 120gb sata SSD and throw them in raid0.
An actual second monitor would be nice. I only use my shitty 100 dollar TV as a second monitor sometimes.
I have a 212 EVO on the CPU and I haven't tinkered too much on the OC. I try to bump it up slowly but these settings are the highest combo I have found. I'm probably doing something wrong
When do the next gen midrangers come out? I'll probably just hold out for that
Levi Lewis
They came out at the end of the summer last year. Probably going to be later this year. At least hold out for the memory bump on the 1060 and the rx580. Or get aa good deal on a 1070. But for 1080p 60hz you don't stand to gain much from upgrading unless you upgrade the monitor after.
If you have no plans to upgrade the monitor you should wait as long as you can until you have to upgrade to keep getting 1080p 60hz because the longer you keep your 970 the more value you got out of it and the better the replacement card will be.
Alexander Rogers
I mean I watch movies and study on it, but that doesn't require any good parts, so when upgrading I'm mostly looking at gaming.
Matthew Brown
>tfw big money coming in soon Might sell my 1080s and replace them with the Ti Strix'es
Josiah Hughes
should have sold them a while ago.
they're worth at most 450 used if you really jew hard.
Jose Carter
how does this look for a media center/server build? already have the cpu/cooler, ram (same capacity and speed, but not model as shown), ssd, and gpu. mobo has already been updated to work w/ haswell refresh. gonna be using it w/ 2x usb3 external enclosures and my sony 49" 4k tv.
I know but I really didn't want to take the plunge until I knew for sure that the Ti's weren't going to run TOO hot. I've had CF 390X cards before and I do not want to get hardboiled in my room ever again.
Besides, look at my build. Do I seem like I'm going to miss the extra 50$ much?
Zachary Evans
>Do I seem like I'm going to miss the extra 50$ much? you're all kinds of retard arent you?
the jews love people like you.
Christopher Rogers
Stay poor and stay mad, friend
Brody Hall
I currently have an i5-3570k with a gtx 670.
Is buying a used 980 a good move? There's some people selling because of upgrades to 1080.
Colton Rodriguez
>Stay poor said the retard hemorrhaging money.
that savings account is looking a little low m8.
Levi Nelson
What are you poor you cunt?
Gavin Jackson
I gave him an example of a platform that can actually play some games some day if he decides to spend a little more money, and $500 was the original budget. At $350, if that's really all you can spend, the honest answer is that you're better off buying a console if you want to play games. APUs are horrible to game on.
You're a fucking idiot and your "advice" boiled down to "here, buy this shitty APU pre-built that you won't be able to stand for more than a year, b-but hey then you can upgrade to Ryzen in steps." Great idea. Mcfucking kys senpai.
John Gomez
Building my PC. How does my list look so far, please help me to make changes and complete the list so I can buy the damn thing and play vidya!
>that projecting My savings are fine. Why are you so mad, friend? Seems to me like you're just mad you can't spare the dime to make a meaningful upgrade to your GTX260/old ass Celeron. Get a job.
Parker Roberts
Did you forget to add a GPU? Get a 480 or something and it's a solid build.
Daniel Johnson
>My savings are fine good try retard.
you wouldnt have worded the way you did if you werent poorfag as fuck to the point of spending your entire paycheck every week because if you dont "it goes to waste."
Blake Allen
You're in a rock and a hard place mostly. You bought something that just doesn't have a very good upgrade path. Intel changes sockets every 2 years. The GPU is much worse than an APU from years ago.
But I think you should be able to find a RX470 for well under $200 CA. I think you're not looking hard enough.
I think you just need more money and to start over. There's really pretty much nothing salvagable there other than the motherboard if you go with a 4770 or 4790k.
I mean you could probably fine a 4670 for pretty cheap, but that's 4c/4t which is rough now days. You're spending more money for something that's going to be on its last legs now days, let alone years from now.
I rarely ever play games. Most games now days suck. I'll play some Unreal Tournament every now and then, or some austimo game like Oxygen Not Included. I'm mostly talking with friends, IRC, discord. Doing development and creative work.
Owen Brown
Looks fine however you could wait for ryzen 5 and wait and see if they really do perform as the simulations expect. You may get better performance in games with an i7 depending on what you do with it. The release of ryzen 5 in a few weeks may lower intel prices aswell.
Jonathan Walker
A 4770 or 4790k would be a nice upgrade. Almost everything uses hyperthreading well now days. Or if you'd rather spend more, you could get a 1600X but that means getting DDR4 and obviously a new motherboard.
Besides that, not a big reason to upgrade your GPU until Vega/Volta/Navi comes around.
Christian Rogers
Fair enough, maybe I'll just save my money and do a bigger upgrade later then
Brandon Ramirez
>bottleneck calculator recommends an og titan for my hardware >og titans are still 300$+ used
Michael Martinez
>2.2ghz lol
Jackson Bennett
1080s have been on sale new with warranty with $420.
Only way you're getting $450 for them used now is by scamming people that have no idea.
Ian Sullivan
Lmao. Why that cooler?
I mean I guess it's okay. Those two 270Xs are going to put out a lot of heat, though.
Imo you should sell them, and get a single lower power card, less retarded looking case, and a 400-550W PSU.
John Diaz
>Take off CPU cooler, reapply thermal paste, tighten cooler standoffs >-15c temp at load Why didn't I do this before
Austin Nelson
>Is buying a used 980 a good move? Yes, if you can get it for like $125 or less. Maybe $150 max.
970 are garbage, broken cards. They get like 15fps maxed in RE7 compared to the 125FPS of an RX480 and 1070. They perform awful in tons of other newer games, too.
The $15 people got in that lawsuit wasn't enough.
>i5 >$925 and 4 threads to show for it ya lost buddy
Upgrading to a 4790k isn't a small upgrade by any means. That's still like 95% as good as a 7700k. But games are more than fully utilizing the 7700k at under 144fps now days, so 6c/12t is the way to go for the future.
But if like 90fps minimum is good enough, a 4790k is perfectly acceptable for 99.9% of games, and you'd just need a better GPU.
Liam Wright
>decide to change out thermal paste >have 5 year old tube of thermal paste >thermal paste looks lumpy and gritty >use it anyway >50c on idle I need to rethink my life choices
Easton Thompson
I hate european prices. You murricans get everything so fucking cheap.
Ryder Phillips
like i mentioned, cooler and gpu are reused parts. i was looking for a small case that can fit under my tv, but not too cramped for cable mgmt and such. what cases would you recommend?
Luis Cook
Building a pc for a friend who is going to use it for music production. Heres what I got for him.
How is it can I do something to improve or lower the price?
Tbh I know jack shit abouy music production.
Isaac Morales
Just buy an rx 480, it's going to serve you better.
Connor Jones
Huh? How is 168 euro for a 1080 not good?
Yeah I get they're reused but you can still probably sell those 270s even if it's only for like $60-$70 each. That's enough to get an RX470 4GB that'll run much cooler and still do what you want to do.
And you could buy a low profile fan that would fit in a less dumb looking case.
As for cases uhh.. Silverstone GD06B maybe? APEX DM-387?
A 1700 should be around $150CAD cheaper.
Also is the vid card something he already has? $320CAD for 380 is ridiculous when you can get a 470 for $120 US or less. And the PSU seems crazily priced, too. You can get a Seasonic 550RM Gold semi-modular for $60-$70 US so it should be under $100 CAD right?
Wait. What the fuck. You have a locked 7700 with an overclock board. I'll put together a better one for you in a moment...
Dominic Young
its a 980 and he uses the 1080 package
isnt the 480 more expensive and also worse then a used 980?
Xavier Brown
Are motherboards from EVGA to be trusted these days? Buddy of mine thinking of jumping from his Z97/4790k build to a Z270/7700k setup solely for the more pcie 3.0 lanes, nvme m.2, and overall cooler running chip.
Last I remember all motherboards from EVGA were garbage with horrible BIOS.
Bentley Campbell
A 980 for that much isn't that bad... Yes, it is stronger than a 480, for now anyway.
Dylan Butler
Yeah, supposedly they are just as reliable as any other. Not sure about that move though, seems like a really expensive sidegrade.
Mason King
What is the best 480 out there? I'm currently looking at the ASUS Rog O8G since it's on sale right now on Newegg.
Dominic Butler
Not really, drivers for AMD cards age like wine, Nvidia drivers age like milk. 480 already has 980 performance, also more TFLOPS in sp and MUCH more in dp.
Cameron Peterson
Is there any good place to buy cheap parts in eu or it's just the best to look at shops in my country?
Caleb Hughes
We're paying for it in other ways, do not worry.
Ethan Hill
Mindfactory if you are in Germany. They do price gouge sometimes, like the taichi x370 boards, but their prices are mostly ok and below amazon and retail.
Juan King
RX480 is about 25% faster on average in DX12. But is up to 20% slower in some other games. It's kind of hard to tell exactly since most benchmarks are before Polaris really got its drivers. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like 15% worse at worst in the bad games now, plus tons of games have gotten DX12 and Vulkan patches and many more have Vulkan patches come like Feral Interactive's. Even Mad Max, a game that came out in 2015, is getting a Vulkan patch.
Considering you can get an 8GB RX480 for $150 sometimes (like right now), that's exactly why I said don't spend over $150 max on a USED 980 when you can get a new RX480 4GB for that.
The ROG one is quite good from what I have seen. I guess go by reviews if you can't find a good comparison benchmark of the models.
Angel Anderson
Yea I said the same but he has a guy willing to buy his current 4790k/Z97 setup with 16GB of ddr3-2400mhz for $400.
He considers it worth the $150 out of pocket to gain all the newer standards.
Nathan Parker
i mean considering a 4790k alone goes for $300-$400... Seems like a normal price if not low.
How many PCIe lanes is ryzen+b350 compared to kabylake+z270 anyway?
Benjamin Hernandez
It's still more powerful in DX11 games, that's why I said for now. DX12 performance and future titles will obviously favor the 480, but depending on what kind of deal you can get, either would suffice. Personally I don't buy used GPUs though.
But I'm not sure if the programs your friend uses are more single threaded or multithreaded. I assume multithreaded. If single threaded, well go back to the 7700 non-k but drop the cooler and get a cheaper B250 motherboard.
Also I'd always go 16:10 monitor for productive.
Yes. The 980 is inarguable better in just about every DX11 games. But I think you aren't fully aware of how many games have DX12 support, and how many more DX12 and Vulkan game and updates are coming this year. And it's those older titles that generally are low requirement enough that the extra frames don't matter. But on the newer, prettier games it makes a huge difference to perform better in DX12. The RX480 wins more in DX12 than it loses in DX11.
And for the games that DON'T have DX12 support, like RE7, they are doing AZDO OpenGL or AZDO DX that performs similar and still sees amazing performance on the RX480. Like the RX480 gets 91FPS in RE7 maxed, same as the GTX980, while the 1060 gets 84. Some other benchmarks put the RX480 even higher above them both, like this one in the attached image. So even if a game isn't DX12 or Vulkan now days, it often is AZDO.
But anyway, if you do get a GTX 980 for $125, maybe $150 max, that's still worth getting, sure. I'm not saying I'm bad, I'm just saying look for the deal or how is getting a used card worth it?
ebates+groupon? I hear one of the parts to it will expire today. You should buy your gift cards first anyway. You have 90 days to use the promo ones, and no expiration on the actual purchased card.
Anyway, see if you can find a comparison review that has all 3 of them? And see if the best one is worth the price difference.
Bentley Martinez
oh just get the 580? alright. my CC keeps declining anyway and i need to call them. i start my seasonal job in may so it'll be better anyway
good advice, thanks
Xavier Jones
Yea he getting the video card from me for like 100$
I forgot to swap out the cpu for the k series. Hes not sure if he want to OC yet.
The only thing I dont know is how well ryzen vs 7700k in music production softwares.
Alexander Perry
Yeah I had trouble getting the order to work when I tried to get 2 $100 giftcards and 2 $50 giftcards immediately after.
And if you have them do the order, I don't think the ebates part will get you the 9% back.
So I just kept canceling the 2 $100 ones and canceling and retrying every few hours until it worked. It wasn't a problem on my credit card's end, it was Groupon's system mis-detecting some terms of service abuse I guess because so many people are trying to get the deal.
Oh okay. Yeah you need to see what software he uses and see if there are benchmarks? Even if the benchmarks don't show 7700k vs 1700, they might compare to like a 6900 so you can see if it's multithreaded or not.
Since you want to save money, I'd advise against the 7700k to most. The locked 7700 is much, much cheaper due to cheaper motherboards working, coming with a cooler, and the locked CPU being significantly cheaper. Most people don't overclock. And ones that do.. to actually get good overclocks on them you need very expensive boards and coolers, and that cooler you had in there would not be sufficient and is hardly sufficient stock without deliding in some cases.
I meant to say >I'm not saying IT'S bad., I'm just saying look for the deal or how is getting a used card worth it?
Leo Garcia
the XFX GTR or wait for the rx 580
Nolan Nelson
>anything that isnt games Ryzen without a doubt
Ethan Rogers
just got my first SSD. i don't have windows 10 activated, can i still copy my OS to the SSD?
Julian Johnson
>windows 10 get out
John Young
Considering building a PC to mine etherium, I only have 1 PC and I dont want to burn out the power supply or something mining...
Whats the current theory on building a pc for that? Etherium uses an algorithm that doesnt allow effecient use of asics so its mostly just gpu's.
I mean does the motherboard/cpu really matter at all or just buy the cheapest shit needed to support the OS and get a gpu and done?
I just want to make sure I build an ideal mining setup..
Ryan Rogers
Not 100% true. Some workstation applications (mostly photoshop) is very poorly threaded.
I am pretty sure that music rendering and encoding is multithreaded, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming.
But if I were to assume, and couldn't find benchmarks, I would go with the 1700.
In the US, you can get the 1700 for $270-$300 at the moment new, with warranty, from warehouses on ebay, too.
That pretty much makes it the price of a 7600k, considering the included cooler. Granted, you can also get 7600k for like $210 at microcenter iirc, if you live near one.
