Old environments

Post them and what is still being updated today?

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KDE3 is still being updated as TDE
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I have it on my G40 and its pretty comfy.

That actually does look quite comfy

I used to hate KDE3 but looking back it really is a lot nicer looking than GNOME2 was

One of the KDE devs actually went back and brought the modern build infrastructure from KDE4/5 to KDE1

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These look so comfy, Windowmaker is pretty good as well

what DE is this?

literally windows xp except it looks even worse

The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) is a desktop environment for Unix and OpenVMS, based on the Motif widget toolkit. It was part of the UNIX 98 Workstation Product Standard, and was long the "classic" Unix desktop associated with commercial Unix workstations.

After a long history as proprietary software, CDE was released as free software on 6 August 2012, under the GNU Lesser General Public License, version 2 or later. Since its release as free software, CDE has been ported to Linux and BSD derivatives.

CDE

What is it about retro tech that gives me such a raging hard on?

Because you are a man of culture

Goddamn Japland used to make some aesthetic fucking tech.

looks really great, wonder how modern it's code is.

I think it's the mix between being warm and futuristic. Modern computers are sterile and minimalistic.

It's now open source and on life support, but you can compile and install it on modern distros.
I've been shilling this Debian guide here for some time:
mike632t.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/compiling-cde-on-debian-8-0-jessie/
It worked for me and should work on Ubuntu, too.

heard about olvm? looks pretty neat too

Looks nice.
I'm using plain twm on Slackware right now. It's surprisingly usable.

I think the worst part about modern computers is that they 'do nothing' but consume huge amounts of resources as they do.

This. Operating systems now eat up half your CPU and 2/3 of your RAM just sitting there. It's retarded when stuff like Kolibri can run on like 10MB of RAM. Even something like Windows XP which is still perfectly usable runs perfectly a 512MB.

There's a lot of meme responses to this "oh, it's for cacheing" and "memory management," but they don't explain the sheer quantity of resources being used.

exactly look at this, why do we need something to use 200mb of ram

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Not trying to defend the bloat, but the bottom ones do "a bit more" than the ones in the upper half of the list don't they?

I use Openbox. It can do all the same stuff and eats a tiny fraction of the resources that KDE does.

I question that, since I'm running Xubuntu and that's using 260MB doing 'nothing'.

Atari STs came with their OS on a ROM chip that was 512KB big.

The point is whether they do THAT much more. Think about it in terms quantity of difference, and what the consumption of that difference is and you realise how indefensible this trash is.

I never understand why a tech board (and I don't mean you, but there's people on here that do) defends such trash performance. No one in any other hobby would accept it. Imagine /o/ defending cars getting 100x heavier and now getting 1mpg in economy.

Do those figures count running X itself, because that's a bloated piece of trash as well.

keep telling yourself that mr terminal

Really?
Can it change window transparency by scrolling up-down on the titlebar or switching windows behind each other with middle-click?
Serious question

I know I get it.
The problem is, usually well written minimalistic programs lack certain killer features, and the ones having them are bloated to hell.

I still don't understand how Windows XP runs happily on my Atom netbook, but 7 and 10 are virtually unusable while being "newer" and "better".

The same comparison could be made against something like Win98 and XP too.

What can someone with a window manager do that someone with a full DE can't?

Holy shit I'm moving to MATE.

>Can it change window transparency by scrolling up-down on the titlebar

The question should be "should it".

We're not talking about extra jingles put on by users to play with, but how it, in a sense, rolls out from the factory.

If you want that, that's fine, but don't encourage companies to drag the bar lower in order to satiate it.

We're talking about operating systems here, not bells and whistles.

>I still don't understand how Windows XP runs happily on my Atom netbook, but 7 and 10 are virtually unusable while being "newer" and "better".

Sounds like you need to buy a new Microsoft™ Certified® laptop go-I mean, guy.

I only use the terminal for editing files as root and managing packages.

>Can it change window transparency by scrolling up-down on the titlebar or switching windows behind each other with middle-click?
No. Why do you need this anyways? Also a serious question.

MATE is actually really nice. I use it on a ThinkPad T400 with a P8400 and 4GB of RAM. It's smooth as butter.

For the middleclick thing, I got used to it with compiz I think, and was happy to find out it works with KDE too. I find it quicker to flip through windows in a certain corner on top of each other than alt-tabbing through the whole desktop.

As for the transparency, sometimes when browsing casually, I like having videos in the background of the browser.

but kde is smoother than anything else by far, why do you have 4gb if you're not gonna use it?

might be a stupid question, but I can't see compiz in the list
Is it not a WM or am I missing something?

Because firefox need 3GB of it.

Because the RAM belongs to me, not KDE, and not Firefox. Today's suggested RAM is tomorrow's required RAM.

l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/

It's from there, remember this is 2013 and there is way more added bloat now in the big DE's

What I don't get is why Linux DE developers are so keen to use such a huge amount of system resources. They get nothing from hardware sales (through licensing) so why does it benefit them to do all of this?

Wasn't the whole point of Linux that it ran really well on old hardware? I remember using KDE 3 on a laptop that struggled with Windows Vista and it was steaming along. Now I isntall Windows 7 on that same laptop and it actually works really well while the new KDE is utterly shit.

Isn't Linux still being updated? I see it discussed every now and then.

LOL, no units listed. 201 what?

it's in MB

The point of Linux has always been a free community-developed and popular Unix.
That also goes a long way towards explaining the bloat. When you open something to the masses who have no concept of what makes software good, or what Unix is about at all, you will find that marketing trumps everything else. Thus the axis of evil Freedesktop/GNOME/systemd.

How can you tell?

It's right there in the source you passfaggot.

This ain't our first rodeo kid.

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For me, growing up as a poor kid in the 90s, this stuff represents possibility. Back then, PCs seemed like portals to another world. I can't tell you how mindblowing it was to go from reading books in a library to surfing the web.

This stuff was considered sterile back then, too. Back when I was a kid, rainbow iMacs blew up because people were sick of beige office equipment.

Of course, in the end they ended up going to opposite direction...

Hey user, I'm the guy you responded to here I know exactly how you feel. I was raised by my mother in a very, very poor house. I remember her scraping her money together as much as she could to buy a pretty crappy windows 95 machine for me because I wanted one. It was the greatest thing in the world. We didn't even have internet. I remember staying up all night reading articles from the Encarta encyclopedia. I learned so much.

I know it seems bleak and dreary, but I honestly look back on those days fondly.

Ah, so you are guessing or pulling in info not portrayed by the image itself.

I'm not going to visit your stupid botnet websight just to read the blog source;

fvwm is being updated still and you can customize it how ever you want.

user I think you have severe brain problems.

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Now it's dead.

omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity

IT'S NOT FUCKING DEAD YOU GODDAMNED RETARDS. IT'S JUST NOT UBUNTU'S DEFAULT ENVIRONMENT. I SWEAR TO GOD I AM ASHAMED TO BREATH THE SAME AIR AS YOU PEOPLE.

outdated graph from 2014
things have changed a lot since this was made
razor-Qt died
xfce is no longer lightweight
mate has gone bigger too but not as much
LXQt is now on par with mate

How is xfce no longer lightweight?

I know. I was trying to upset son autists. Mission accomplished. 59757507

it isn't anymore
face it mate
btw, it's still not as fucking heavy as KDE or Gnome but it can't compete with mate or LXDE as a lightweigt
that doesn't change the fact that it's a great DE

there's something incredibly appealing in old desktop environments running on a high resolution screen.

Win2k and the likes look absolutely great on 1440p and even 4K.
The amount of shit you can fit on such workplace looks amazing.

I mean I still get a ~200mb idle with xfce so it's still pretty damn light.

I know it's all relative, but 200MB is still quite a lot for a "minimal" operating system. I mean, it's the operating system, it should be almost imperceptible.

WM's are good, anything else is pure bloat.

Here. I hope your pass money was worth it.

Anybody had luck running SunOS or OpenStep on QEMU?

my nigga

windowmaker master race

Nostalgia

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Where can I get the irix theme for FVWM, like in pic related?

>doesn't account for Plasma's humongous memory leaks

Inaccurate.

I believe you can run Nextstep x86 on virtualbox, there's also an emulator called "Previous"
For SunOS there's "The machine emulator", also there are some early x86 solaris versions but they require specific hardware, e.g. only support a few SCSI adapters for storage

FVWM + QNX icons

>qnx icons
pls gibe

photon looked fucking mint
it's so sad it's dead
they could've opensourced it before ditching it completely

i've also been looking for those icons for ages my man

What the fuck happened to MaXX Interactive Desktop

I recognize that desktop!

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What is this, because I want it.

SunDraw and SunWrite, maybe beta versions

I don't think you can get them anywhere on the internet, not even sure what sun machine they would actually run on and if it can e emulated

Lame

the autism runs strongly with this one

ok

xfce has the best resource usage to performance ratio, hence xfce master race

>Sun Write costs $695; Sun Paint and Sun Draw are each priced at $495
>1989

Jesus christ... What would that be today?

$1364.47 and $971.82

wew

To be fair though that shit was pretty heavy for 89 right?

>implying you wouldn't torrent it from TPB

>xwinman
I tried emailing the admin about his broken ass site, but it doesn't look like it's maintained anymore, which is a shame, because it's got a wealth of information on all of the obscure desktops
also: that's real fucking a e s t h e t i c

Why isn't there a pack of QNX/beOS style icons?
All we get is fucking flat, circle shit and I'm sick of it.

Pretty much anything outside of BASIC and super simple shareware software was "heavy" for the time. Normal people weren't buying this kind of software.

It sucks that there are never any good raster-based iconsets with a large amount of icons that fit with these DEs.

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I really like the motif styles.

trying it out

kinda comfy

Install the KDE2 icons
wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Icon_Sets

It's vaporware. And the guy who develops it has gotten an ego because when he asked SGI at the time to share the 4DWM source, they only licensed it to him. And since SGI of yester-year is dead, he still won't share the code or let anyone contribute/fork the project.