/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general. >Ryzen 5 launch edition
State the PURPOSE of your PC, BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List which GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify if goal is to lower price or improve specs. Put effort into your queries to make yourself easy to help.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
Currently worthwhile CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (i3 aren't worthwhile, unless for single threaded tasks. e.g. dwarf fortress & emulators >i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to i7 >i7-7700k is good but pricey. If over budget, consider 6700k and/or a locked motherboard + cheaper cooler; not chasing 4.8Ghz capable when you weren't gonna overclock - or get Ryzen 5/7 >R7 for compute/multitask/mixed use
Currently worthwhile GFX cards: >RX470, RX480 8GB, R9 Fury, 1070, 1080, 1080TI >1060 is worth considering over a 480 if same/cheaper in your country, or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds >Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over any card weaker than an RX470, unless another's price/performance is better (ie discounted/used) >RX500 comes April 18th. Vega in May
General: >Don't feel bound to a specific brand/model. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help here >Consider SSD only for what you budgeted on SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for quicker loading/saving of files for productivity >Save money with mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales
If you see another build advice thread, direct them here with
Thanks for no shill OP but 470 isn't that great if you live in the U.S. really. Price/performance for 480 is just too much better for the extra money.
Noah Baker
>tfw poorfag
Josiah Green
What are AMD alternatives to 1050Ti with passive cooling to replace 750Ti?
Cameron Ross
Yeah but like 50% of posters are from the U.S. At least make a note about it.
John Watson
>poorfag >wont buy used parts >Sup Forums loonixtime filename
Ethan Morales
There isn't really one if you want to pray gayms. What's wrong with the 1050ti?
Daniel Hernandez
Reposting from last thread. As for the GPU I was thinking about GTX1060-6GB / RX480 8GB. Which of those 2 would you recommend?
>waiting >IT'S LITERALLY RELEASED TODAY Not im my country sadly. Have to wait at least a month, probably longer. >Major problems are that I don't think those particular SSDs are reliable I guess the pirce was a little too good for 525 GB to not hae some problems. I could go with a smaller capacity one like amazon.de/SK-Hynix-Canvas-SSD-Festplatte-5-Zoll-Laufwerk/dp/B01H5KW8VG/ amazon.de/PNY-CS1311-Interner-Flash-Speicher-240GB/dp/B019H3B3OW/ Or pick a more expensive high capacity one like amazon.com/MyDigitalSSD-80mm-Express-PCIe-480GB/dp/B01MDRUXNZ/ Mostly plan on having just my OS and maybe a couple of games on it, so 250GB should be fine I guess. >and that shit 2133mhz RAM. What would you recommend? The 3000mhz ones would be quite a bit more expensive. And I lack the experience to say if it's worth it/necessary. >Did you forget the cooler, too? A bunch of people in the last thread kept saying that the i7 stock cooler is pretty decent so you could save some money by forgoing one. Is that not the case?
Elijah Flores
Nothing, but i thought that since AMD suppose to compete on GPU market they should've offered something similar.
Jaxson Clark
The RAM is shit yeah but I don't really know the situation in Euro and cbf checking. No 2400 stuff? i7 stock cooler is fine for nominal use but why get the K version if you don't want to overclock? MX300 isn't that bad an SSD really if it's considerably cheaper than alternative. Seagate HDDs have a considerably higher failure rate on average than WD and shouldn't be that much cheaper. Most importantly, why are you spending so much on a CPU and motherboard to get a pretty shit graphics card like a 1060 or 480?
Hunter Rivera
>R5 not selling anywhere
William Lee
Not in all areas obviously. For a long time the 7850 was the best low profile card available with no real competitor from nVidea, obviously not the case now. It's always varying for niche stuff.
Benjamin Rodriguez
It's difficult because it depends on sales.
Sometimes the cheapest RX470 is $120 when the cheapest RX480 is $170. It's 90% the performance, so being 65% the price is good value.
But when there's an RX480 for $150 and the cheapest RX470 is $140, then okay obviously the RX480.
RX570 should be capable of passive cooling. It looks like it's on an updated process and more power efficient. Have you considered a cooler with a single 120mm or 140mm that can run nearly completely silently, though?
>spending $100 on a 1050 >when an RX470 is literally TWICE as fast and not much more money. idk man it's not worth it. Hell you can buy a used 7970 or 280X for under $85 that's still 50% better than that shit.
Evan Lee
7970 is GOAT poorfag video card.
John Hill
>Still rocking a 290x
Oh my fucking god I'm a month away from getting an 1080ti
AYYAMMMDEEE VEGAA WHENNN
Brody Thompson
>RX570 should be capable of passive cooling t. serial arsonist
Angel Wood
Take it to /guts/ swag boy.
Connor Allen
nVidia is offering For Honor or Ghost Recon Wildlands for those who purchased a 10 series GPU (1060 and above I think). Does it have to be an online purchase? If not then how do you get the free game.
Joshua Howard
Where's your fucking PSU?
Joshua Allen
I don't see it on any website dearest user. Then again the business day hasn't really started in American yet.
Andrew Allen
i want to use an old ps3 fat as a case. the issue of course is even with a mitx board a gpu and cpu cooler dont fit properly. so the gpu solution is a pcie extension cable right? then what about the cpu cooler? also i want to use the ps3s power and eject button so how do i convert the ribbon cable to something a mobo can read?
I have a 7970 and I still don't feel rushed to get a new card. But I'll probably get Vega if it's good anyway just because it seems like the logical upgrade from this card that's lasted me forever and been able to play anything.
Christopher Morgan
I see but what if it doesn't even though it was recently bought?
James James
Who knows. Look up the terms and conditions. Usually with these promos you have to go to a site and enter your serial number. You get a redeem key if it's within the right manufacturing period. It's also often manufacturer specific but I don't know.
Luke Green
file a complaint to nvidia they'll ask you for your GPU id number or some shit you reply with it ??? get a free game
Christian Rodriguez
I see. Thank you
Camden Smith
If you don't know the solution to the using the buttons, you probably don't know enough to do this right.
Nathan Perez
At the back. It's a pretty big case.
Christopher Carter
>The RAM is shit yeah but I don't really know the situation in Euro and cbf checking. Disregard what I said, I suck cocks. Apparently you can get Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB at 3000mhz at a similar price point. I don't know whit about brands, but I remember those being around for a while, so it should ge good, right? >i7 stock cooler is fine for nominal use Nevermind, apparently that one doesn't even include a stock cooler according to pcpartpicker. Would something simple like a 212 Evo be sufficient? >but why get the K version if you don't want to overclock? I've never done overclocking before, but I'll look into it this time around. Well, K does offer a higher tact frequency out of the box, does it not? >Seagate HDDs have a considerably higher failure rate on average than WD and shouldn't be that much cheaper. It's 45€ more expensive. Not sure if it's worth it. My last Seagate has held 6+ years. >Most importantly, why are you spending so much on a CPU and motherboard to get a pretty shit graphics card like a 1060 or 480? Becase everybody is telling me not to bother with i5s (I planned to take one at the beginning) and Ryzen 5 won't be out for at least a month (likely more) in my country. Also some of the games I play on playing are more CPU (modded CK2, which causes a lot of slowdown on anything that isn't a high-tier CPU).
Then again I'm unfamilar with current hardware, so I have a hard time matching them properly.
>I need page for every single little test >44 pages long Why didn't we let the Germans finish off Poland?
These numbers don't look right at all, either >i5-6400 better than i7-3770k in BF1. >DX12 benchmarks with an nvidia GPU >overclocks in some gaming benchmarks, but not others.
I think they literally made up most of these "results".
Christopher Morris
Nothing wrong with buying the i7 now. I just think you'd be better off getting the locked version and a cheaper motherboard and spending the saved money on at least a 1070. CPU specific games or not it's still a stupid performance gap if you get a 1060 or 480.
Blake Clark
I'd agree with this. Though the 1070 isn't very good performance/$ either. But that in general, what you spend to significantly overclock a 7700k simply isn't worth it. A 7700 is good stock with a cheaper motherboard and the stock or a cheaper cooler.
Matthew Cox
1. i7 benchmark isn't that surprising at stock clock. BF1 is a buggy POS. 2. I don't get it? 3. Little weird but eh.
Blake Cox
Yeah I said at least because it seems they're on a strict budget and Euro prices are pretty bad.
Angel Ortiz
What is the cheapest i7 build one can get? I need a backup plan if ryzen 5 flops.
Kayden Phillips
Whatever build you're planning on getting. But with a locked i7.
Daniel Brooks
What does locked mean? You cant overclock?
Samuel Powell
Thanks for the advice guys, I'm really lost here. What cheaper motherboard would you recommend?
William Williams
yes
David Garcia
Yes. Intel processors suffixed with a "K" are unlocked, meaning the multiplier cannot be changed and they're priced higher. You can also save motherboard by getting a chipset that is "locked", but with essentially the same features as the more expensive gayming ones.
Dominic Phillips
Hi, im total noob when comes to build pc. All the time i had laptop. Can someone answer me to this question please? I know there are some kind cases, but im looking to build a compact pc, (size of a laptop, mb bigger than console) which should i choose? Anyone have like pic/photo to compare sizes?
Thank you!
Samuel Parker
multiplier CAN be changed*
Logan Bailey
depends on your needs. There is a fuckload of boards. B250 will be cheaper, but Z270 will allow for faster RAM.
to be clear, you need BOTH the "k" on the CPU, and a Z270 board to overclock.
But... the cheap like $85-$120 Z270 boards are generally not good for overclocking, and really you need a $140+ one. But they can be good at least support faster memory for not much more which can really give a bigger benefit than overclocking for cheaper.
It's fucking weird. Jews made things confusing to swindle people out of money.
Brody Baker
Get a B250 chipset and avoid MSI. Whatever you like babe.
Josiah Harris
mini itx is the smallest formfactor. but if you have never build a pc before you should probatly stay away from that
Colton Richardson
full towers are for lots of hard drives mini itx is for puzzle builders literally anything else you will be able to work with as a noob
Charles Martinez
my friend which working as IT will help me, im going to read some shit etc. so yea. still its far from doing that but im doing small steps.
Samuel Butler
Worst post ever desu~
You won't be able to build one smaller than a console without a bit of effort. The main issue is the cooler for the CPU and video card usually needs to be quite large. You can buy "low profile" cases, about as large as the original PS3 or current PS4 Pro, but you would need to buy a low profile CPU cooler and video card to match.
Julian Johnson
its obviously a conversion adapter or a rewire, just dont know the adaptor name.
Blake Perez
>B250 will be cheaper, but Z270 will allow for faster RAM. And another choice I'm clueless about. Well it's been pointed out what I was using slow 2133mhz Ram, so I picked a 3000 one. I guess I could go a middleground with a GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H and some 2400mhz RAM.
Ryder Walker
No, you just don't know what you're talking about. >conversion adapter >adaptor Ha ha you got me 3/10 bait my dude.
Jaxon Butler
B250 and 2400 RAM is the best option in my opinion, but it won't run memory faster than that. Compatible, but it will just slow it down to 2400.
Jeremiah Hall
Isn't it common practice though to buy a slightly better motherboard though? Otherwise you might have to upgrade your motherboard together with the first part you upgrade.
Oliver Taylor
you will have to do that anyway since there are no better CPUs comming out for socket 1151
Eli Wright
Why would you have to do that? For what component?
Asher Lewis
I see you are talking about motherboards here. Let me ask you a question. What budget MoBo do I need for G4560+RX470 but with option to put better components later? Currently looking at GIGABYTE B250.
Jaxson Bell
2400 is max on B250, but sometimes deals come up for a $85 Z270. Those $85 Z270 aren't good for overclocking, but at that price could be worth it just so you could run 3200mhz RAM for that 5-10% performance improvement in gaymes.
But it depends on whether or not that cheap Z270 actually has the features you want.
Like you can currently get newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130993 to run up to 3800mhz RAM. Spending an extra $30 for a motherboard and $20-$30 on RAM for a 5-10% performance improvement might be worth it.
But spending $80 more on a motherboard, $20-$30 more on ram, $90-$150 more on a cooler, and $40 more on an unlocked CPU for a 7-25% improvement makes less sense.
Evan Bell
None, upgrading on Intel platforms is useless since they change the socket at least every two years.
Easton Jones
You're probably looking for miniITX size, but save yourself the trouble and get microATX instead
Isaiah Wright
but i'm updating only once in 8 years
Benjamin Gonzalez
Just some cheapass $60-$70 B250 and DDR4 2400 RAM.
You are never going to use all those PCI lanes that motherboards have. 99.99% people only use the single x16 slot for a GPU and that's it.
As far as upgradability.. well you don't have a huge upgrade path with any LGA1151. It's an EoL socket. There is not a better CPU coming out for them. You can add in a locked 7700, which is over twice as good and very big upgrade. But you aren't going to be able to add a 6 core.
Carter Perry
Would adding RGB lights to the case make the PC overall hoter?
Camden Parker
What is wrong with msi mobos?
Luke Sullivan
>7970 or 280X >8+6pin housefires >vs no PCI power needed
Yeah no.
Zachary Robinson
Thanks.
Brody Powell
Only if they're red LEDs.
Carter Carter
Would Vega be bottlenecked by my system? Should I just Delid it and push it to [email protected]? Would upgrading to DDR3 2400 make a worthwhile difference?
Other stats >750W PSU >Freesync Monitor
Parker Cooper
What about blue?
Parker Butler
Then get something good now and something new in 8 years. Pentium wont get you that far unless everything you do is jewbook, jewtube and mails.
Benjamin Wright
OK.
Aaron Nguyen
Objectively wrong. Here's a basic Sup Forumsestalt.
Tyler Foster
find a used 960 then
Ethan Barnes
no you will kill you cpu, ivy bridge an previous intel cpus are still solderd. delidding is only a thing for haswell and newer
Chase Ramirez
>Would Vega be bottlenecked by my 4c/4t Yes >Should I just Delid it and push it to [email protected]? Won't matter. 5ghz overclocked 7600k still drops under 60fps and locks up in tons of newer games.
Oliver Walker
So even with the twice as expensive 270 one you wouldn't be spared?
Well you are already at you upper limit as far as RAM is concerned (speed wise), so I'd assume it would be the same for other components as well.
Thanks man, you've been very helpful so far. Already at nearly 1530€ as far as parts go and I still need to get another monitor, printer, mouse/keyboard, soundcard/networkcard and all that jazz. I've been picking parts from one shop so far, so I'll guess I'll cross check in the evening and see how much I can save buying from different shops. Might have to cut down on some components too, but I'll do that once I have every component listed.
>Pentium wont get you that far unless everything you do is jewbook, jewtube and mails. Not him, but joke's on you. My Pc was 6+ years old with only minor upgrades (GPU died a couple of years ago, upgrade from 4GB to 8GB RAM) and could run Rainbow Six Siege and Total Warhammer (at low settings, but good FPS).
Juan Cook
>So even with the twice as expensive 270 one you wouldn't be spared? exactly also check geizhals.at
Sebastian Perez
Anyone else hype for r5 reviews today? Interested to see how the cheapest 4c8t does and the 6c chips too.
Dominic Bennett
>also check geizhals.at That's what I planned to do. Guess I'll don't be a fauler sack and build that PC myself with parts from all over.
Lucas Sanchez
>at low settings
Adrian Jackson
Still not Jewtube/Facebook and mails :^)
Carson Ward
I gues i'm more interestet which jewtuber is shilling the most on this on lol
Angel Jenkins
>What if I dropped in a used 3770K? Yeah, that'd be a good upgrade. Older CPUs hyperthreading isn't nearly as good as it is now days, but still much better.
I'm hoping we can see ones actually on new BIOS instead of shill reviewers dusting off the old BIOS versions and putting them with 2133mhz memory against Intel on 3800mhz.
Andrew Hernandez
Close enough, have fun with your old shitpile while i enjoy new technology and excellent fps with max settings.
Cooper Long
nice op what case is that
Gavin Green
Joke's still on you, I'm working on building a new PC right now. Although everybody can play the best game (Dominions 4) at excellent FPS and max settings.
Jack Bailey
You guys seem to hate MSI motherboards is there any reason to that?
Gabriel Parker
Good deal of shitty models. But their actual high end models are fine.
Contrast to ASRock, who doesn't make a single awful board.
Jonsbo VR2.
Jaxson Cruz
I see. Thank you
Joseph Stewart
Asus STRIX-RX470-4G-GAMING, RX 470 Gaming, 4GB GDDR5, 256 bit, PCI-E 3.0, 2x DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort or Ati Asus STRIX-RX470-O8G-GAMING, RX 470 OC, 8GB GDDR5, 256 bit, PCI-E 3.0 x16, 2x DVI, HDMI 2.0, DisplayPort
Evan Lopez
I am asking because the 8gb is actually cheaper than the 4gb
Jaxson Carter
then get the cheaper one
Ryan Russell
The 8gb card is probably less overclocked than the 4gb card. >Gaming >OC Sacrificing 4gb of gpu memory isn't worth the 100 mhz of overclocking or whatever the difference is. But that's just my opinion.
Oliver Torres
8gb on a 470 is a meme anyway just manualy oc it
Caleb Ortiz
MSI and EVGA really should be the only mobos to consider these days. ASUS if you want reddit tier bullshit like RGB and what not.
If you're looking at budget mobos it doesn't matter.
Levi Anderson
How about asrock? I don't want a 4 sata meme mobo.
