AMD Ryzen + Polaris build vs Intel Kaby / Nvidia Pascal

Which build do you think performs better Sup Forums?
Be honest
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>using a smiley nose with a carat

you forgot the $200 ram kit you have to buy to alleviate the ccx infinity fabric bullshit for ryzen

He also forgot the $300 mobo required to overclock intel's corelets

The same RAM used on Intel can be used on Ryzen user, wtf are you even talking about?

It evens out when you have to get a cooler for the Intel system.

Just Wait™ a week until RX 580 prices and benchmarks are out

1600 on stock cooler with B350 mobo and 580 is going to be the hot ticket in the mid range me thinks.

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INTEL SHILLS BTFO

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I'd buy Ryzen even if it wasn't superior, simply to avoid the jew hypervisor.

>$200
hahaha. check this goy out.

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No need for the cooler, the 1600 already comes with a great one.

Intel shills are literally desperate

Why'd you leave out the motherboard and cooler?
That adds another $100+ to the intel system.

>he puts 2133 memory on a Z270 board
found the retard. You'd use the same 2800-3200 on each.

Taichi + 1600x + 3466 RAM for next 1600x in a year, how is that for a 4 year plan?

AMD is close enough to say, fuck the fucking a backdooring intel in the arse with a rusty pipe.

At least AMD's back door does not have network access, and they may let us turn it off.

I hate this shit.

AMD has jumped on the backdoor train eons ago.

Obviously the first one user :^)

youtube.com/watch?v=RE9MAmFJllw

Yep, but no network access, local only.

>muh backdoors
found the pedo

if you're a normal person, backdoors have 0% effect on your life

>$90 550W PSU
>4k meme
>optical drive
>212 evo when stock cooler is about the same
>B350 mobo instead of A350

Fuck off, I may have nothing to hide but I have nothing to show them either,

They can stay out of my hardware, all they are doing is creating vulnerabilities.

Whether you care or not, you have to acknowledge it's a slippery slope to fascist control.

*tips fedora

you'd rather have SALEM MOHAMED BEN MOHAMED MAHMOUD planning his next jihad unperturbed then?

You want the privilege of using the internet, you have to pay a price
No different than highway DUI stops or the TSA

Yeah I fucking would Jew

That depends. I'd buy the AMD system.

I'd recommend the Intel/Nvidia system, specially if we're talking gaming.

It really depends on what you're planning to do with your systems. And for games it's even a question of what games you want to play. The Nvidia GTX 1060 doesn't even have a hardware scheduler which works out fine if you want to play DX11 games optimized for one or two cores on a CPU with more than two cores but you're going to have a bad day with DX12 or Vulcan games if those become a thing. Not sure they will, though. Nvidia has more money.

If you only use your own intranet, no one will be able to access anything of yours
Same as if you build a large estate with private roads, you can drive drunk and no one will stop you
But if you wanna shitpost on Sup Forums, you gotta let Uncle Sam take a peek at your porn folder every once in a while

4k is fine if you're doing content creation

I have the option to drive drink, and can avoid DUI check points with adequate foreknowledge.
Installing a breathalyzer in my car removes freedom to even start the fucking thing on a privet property.
As in LAN. Inter office hacking is a thing.

You might want to reconsider your shitty analogy.

This is giving the government the keys to your house and saying "Have at it, I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to worry about." As they make spare keys to your locks, take pictures from the hidden cameras they installed in the AC registers, and record your voice randomly if you say the wrong word out loud.

That is not what I signed up for with an Internet connection, and if it makes the government's job a little harder in stopping terrorism, then too fucking bad.

>if you're a normal person, backdoors have 0% effect on your life
You mean not a journalist, human rights activist, politically active or just able to think logically and rationally?

Get a 7700K and a GTX 1080 Ti. Way better combo than either of those.

If the next 4 years are like the last 4 years it should be fine.
Shouldn't be a console generation released in the middle either so unless some bullshit happens you should be good.

Making yourself a target by not doing what they say is troubling.

privet to you too, comrade
Again, the internet is not your birthright, it's infrastructure built by the government and private corporations. If you want to use it, you have to abide by their rules. You are not obliged to buy a computer and hook it up to the internet, so you can't complain about muh fourth amendment. Treat this as terms of service. If you don't like the terms, don't use the service

> recommening a $1000 combo
Wait for vega

Every time you buy a Ryzen, you deny the holocaust. FACT.

stupid assholes

every time you buy Ryzen, a jewish kid is not born.

>Go back to living in caves! Use the library! There hasn't been an encyclopedia printed since 2005, and government continues to slash funding for books and resources to fund the security industrial complex.

You deserve what's coming to you.

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wtf I love ryzen now

Red pill me on hyper-threading. What's that? A rip off?

Is it worth waiting 2 months for Skylake-X?
Does it make sense to get Intel then?

Yes, your tactic was called out.

Delete

ya dude get that 7740k

new $250 motherboard for +100mhz and no iGPU

do it or more jewish babies won't be born

No I mean for a new build, is it better to get 7700k now or wait for the X299

Skylake EP will just be a small rehash like we've seen before, on a new socket to bring in a bit of extra money. It's not worth the extra money they'll charge.
Grab a 7700k if you're that set, but make that decision knowing that games do max out those 4 cores. It's not a bad chip. It's a fucking brilliant chip. But it's no Sandy Bridge, and I think these past few Intel generations will show their age quite rapidly.

get an older cheaper CPU and a better gfx card if you are gayming

You're obviously ironically shitposting but the fact people unironically believe that is exactly why privacy should be protected.

Now pick up that can, citizen.

I thought Skylake-X can have up to 10 cores though? Plus if I wait for the 299 I'll be able to upgrade the processor in 5 years without getting a new mobo

AMD build would BTFO the intel build

But RAM compatible with ryzen cost around 30-50% more.

>Joker Productions
>Known to fake benchmark results
Yeah no.

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>Plus if I wait for the 299 I'll be able to upgrade the processor in 5 years without getting a new mobo
>Intel socket
>New CPU
>5 years
>without new mobo
Yeh no. Intel pop a new socket every 18 months.

If you're even considering the deca-core, then the cost of upgrading in 5 years and getting a new mobo should be no pause to you at all. so it's not even worth humouring that thought.
You look at the cost of Intel's current deca-core, $1600, now you tell me that they're going to price the new one any lower?

Flip a coin. Heads i7 7700k. Tails, R7 1700x. The performance is currently negligible outside of a few select games, but even then, we see AMD working with devs to improve the performance of ryzen in their titles.

You won't regret either decision.

No it doesn't, dumb shill.

he also forgot the $200 for special aio cooling to barely reach 4ghz

Let the children grasp their straws.
Remember. Even ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Just report and move on.

>You won't regret either decision.
You'll regret the 7700k when games are maxing it out with no CPU overhead to spare for background applications, and there's no better CPU to replace it with on the same socket so you need a new motherboard as well.

Even with background applications on the go, the reduction in performance is going to be nothing worth mentioning.
The 7700k is a fantastic chip. But it will age. Sure, you can OC the bastard up to 4.8/4.9 and coast for a while. But running that OC long term is going to do damage.

>You'll regret the 7700k when games are maxing it out with no CPU overhead to spare for background applications, and there's no better CPU to replace it with on the same socket so you need a new motherboard as well.
this.

i might even get a used ryzen in ayear or so fuck paying full price for some AM4 launch board with a shit bios

so I was originally planning to get the 6900k with 1080ti, then people here said get the 7700k instead, and then people said get a 6- or 8-core Skylake-X with the new nvidia graphics card.

I need a beefy machine for work (HPC), and i get a 5 grand lab budget so the cost isn't a big issue, as long as what I get lasts a few years and packs a punch

What would your advice be for such a build?

Only ones struggling with BIOS at the moment are ASUS.

>ASUS are bad
>BioStar are ok
>AsRock are good

Ryzen put the world on it's head.

ASUS have recently patched their BIOS, so game performance is up with them, but the same BIOS only supports RAM speeds up to 2400Mhz.

But yes, boards are rather costly for Ryzen at the moment. Even, granted high end, but reduced in features, boards like the Asrock Taichi.

Frankly dude.
Grab a dual socket Xeon workstation from HP or whoever your company has a standing relation with, and dump whatever GPU you need in there to accelerate your specific workloads.
That's the only suggestion I can give based upon that information.
Cores, cores, and MOAR CORES, you can never go wrong with that policy in approach to professional workstations.

I see, yea someone else had suggested something similar too
I'll do some more research, I got till September to decide. Thanks

>You'll regret the 7700k when games are maxing it out with no CPU overhead to spare for background applications,
And it will still have better performance in games.
>Just wait until they fix ryzen
>just wait until games are so multi threaded that the 7700k top performance will degrade to ryzen level XD
>ryzen is good though
>but if the 7700k drops to ryzens performance in 5 years it's terrible
>ryzen is future proof, so you can buy a new ryzen every year because the motherboard is the same
>intel is terrible though because you can't buy a new cpu yearly because of new sockets (doesn't matter that intels cpus are good enough to last you 5+ years)

As a note.
I know this applies to radio work. As a close friend has let me in the know on it.
If you get in direct contact with someone, explain your work, and your position, and how you really need this specific thing, some companies can, and often DO offer discounts, all you have to do is say good things about them at the right places :^)

RadioNigga friend of mine was in search of some ethernet based gear after all his thunderbolt equipment failed. Full cost of new setup was close to $3800..After talking to a rep, $2500. So worth a try none the less.

Are you new here?

If this is for games then many of them both old and new have issues with AMD cpus. Bayonetta's new PC port for example simply does not work on either Ryzen or FX cpus.

Nobody on Sup Forums can actually tell you what it is in plain english because hyperthreading is described in nothing but gibberish.

>japan
>pc

yeah, I wonder why
I have worse problem it has some double imaging going on on movement

It's intels own brand of SMT.
Some tweaks here and there change the spec enough to where they can legally brand it as something else and not have to pay IBM for the IP to use SMT.

he also forgot the delidding kit and liquid metal to replace the shitty TIM

2 threads per core.

it doesnt even exist on i5s thats the meme in

>Some tweaks here and there change the spec enough to where they can legally brand it as something else and not have to pay IBM for the IP to use SMT.
Whao. Is that it?
Is that why AMD's first attempt at SMT is better than Intel's 10th generation of HT?
Because AMD licensed IBM's better SMT while Intel cheated the patents with something shitty?
Is that actually what's going on?

I don't even care which one is faster, I'm just glad we have almost reached mid-end parity again, and that's good for all prospective buyers.

Yes and no.
It's not the whole story, but it's not wrong either.

The main reason why AMD's implementation of SMT is being perceived as superior is because, well, Microsoft, and game devs, already have some form of implementation for it in their work on Intel's Hyperthreading. So it's not some new alien technology that noone has ever worked with before.

To judge the true effect of AMD's SMT implementation, you need a game/task where there is no discrepancy between SMT0/SMT1, you need to test in a 4+0 arragement, vs a comparable Intel product.
The thing with AMD's current lineup, they out-number Intel in terms of cores, by a significant margin, so that helps carry them in workloads where their singlethreaded performance is just that little bit behind.

It's not made easy by the fact that I cannot find the specification sheets for Hyperthreading anywhere, and I've been looking for 20 minutes now. Those will tell you everything about Hyperthreading, from design methodology to implementation, to specific feature sets and instructions.

The Intel box I replaced only benefited ~25% from HT in actual workloads I was running, with Ryzen box that same number with SMT ON vs OFF is close to 70%. I don't know wheter that is from AMD's better SMT implementation or better cache design with double the size of L2 and L1i caches, but it works way better than Intel's HT that's for sure

Their lowerend ASUS boards are fine.

I have the cheapest 3200 Corsair LPX kit running at 3200Mhz with a stable OC Ryzen 7 1700 4Ghz @1.36v on the ASUS PRIME B350M-A

I have Bayonetta running at 60 capped on my Ryzen 7 1700

Well, streamer I chat with just got his Ryzen PC assembled last night. With the latest BIOS, he's locked to 2400Mhz on a 3200Mhz kit. Even then, that's pushed up to 2400Mhz, it was initially running at 2133Mhz.
"PRIME" X370 "Pro" this is now.

>The main reason why AMD's implementation of SMT is being perceived as superior is because, well, Microsoft, and game devs, already have some form of implementation for it in their work on Intel's Hyperthreading. So it's not some new alien technology that noone has ever worked with before.
No, that's not it.
You test tons of applications with HT on/off, SMT on/off, and SMT averages out 30% better except for those edge cases where SMT performs worse when it's used when it shouldn't be.

What? You have it opposite.
Lower end ASUS boards are fucking garbage. So are their midrange. Only their enthusiast ones are any good now days.
>ASUS PRIME B350M-A
That's not a lower end. That's expensive for a B350M board. It had one of the highest launch prices, but it's gone down a bit.

kek. The Prime X370 is garbage. And the even more expenisve Crosshair was only recently fixed.

Too many people trusted ASUS and blamed AMD as a result.

The high end ASUS B350 board is fine (the Prime B350M).
The high end ASUS X370 is fine (The Crosshair)
Their other lower end of each chipset are garbage.

Picked it up for 89 euro at launch. It was one of the cheapest mATX boards. It has served me wonderfully so far without any issues.

His mistake for wasting money on X370. My friend followed my lead and got a different ASUS B350 board and hit 2933 on a randomly picked Corsair 3000Mhz C16 kit.

Pic related, my Ryzen 7 1700 build.

>You cannot build a computer using only the CPU and a GPU

>His mistake for wasting money on X370.
Not even x370.
I tried to talk him away from the ASUS board, but he was set.
It's working fine for him anyway, running his stream at 6000kb/s on CPU encode without a problem, and he's having no problems in the games he's tested out so far. With the rate that BIOS updates are being churned out, memory support should improve.

sir please delid this post

What about msi? Was mainly looking at msi b350m or asus prime b350m.

I've heard nothing bad about MSI boards so far.
B350 Prime is ok according to (, )

>I've heard nothing bad about MSI boards so far.
because you can't buy them, or couldn't until very recently
they fucked up the launch most of all even though their BIOS was decent-ish

youtube.com/watch?v=71UHFJjs3Go

>tfw Ryzens are out of stock all the time in this shithole
>tfw 1800x is $600 here

So if I have one available for pretty cheap I should go for it?

Can confirm, my 3200 (hynix, ss) kit runs just fine at 2933 with the Prime B350M-A. Haven't tested the latest bios just yet however

>not factoring in the motherboard
oh cmon user, if you're gonna shitpost at least do it correctly.

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