Skylake-X is going to be big, projected of a 15% IPC increase over standard Skylake and thus Kabylake...

Skylake-X is going to be big, projected of a 15% IPC increase over standard Skylake and thus Kabylake, the 6 core projected at $400 prices and the 8 core at $600, this is going to be amazing.

AMD will have a hard time competing.

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Just like how Kaby was a 15% increase over Skylake?

>Intlel fags happy for 6 cores that cost twice the competition's.

15% or "15%" ?

Source on those prices.
To produce a whole 8-core product without the use of core complexes is insanely expensive. Hence why Intel sells them for $1600

15% IPC increase with no major architectural improvements is near enough impossible unless you want to compare one specific synthetic.

Extra lanes are never a bad thing, especially as Naples is looking to rape Intel's enterprise line in terms of PCIe capability and core count. And efficiency. 3 things that are huge to enterprise customers.

Sceptical would be too far from the truth.

> Skylake-X is probably the most exciting HEDT product coming from Intel since the original Core i7, and I'm sure they want to make an impact here. One friend told me some applications/games are seeing 10-15% performance per clock increase compared to original Skylake, that's probably because of the new cache architecture and quad-channel DDR4. Expect the entry level 6C/12T to become a very attractive all-around choice for productivity and high-refresh/multi GPU gaming choice.

Is this another "My Dad works at Nintendo" source?

i doubt its a 15% ipc increase. probably equal perf to skylake. AMD will have a hard time competing no matter, zen only matches broadwell in specific workloads, a shit uarch that regressed in terms of oc headroom and per clock perf.

Shitlake is dead on arrival.

Only thing Intel has going for them at the moment is single core performance. You add more cores, that advantage goes away. And it'll still cost more than AMD's Ryzen. The "15%" is just more marketing horseshit.

I think a lot to do with Ryzen's somewhat underwhelming OC results are simply due to node immaturity, and motherboard vendors still getting their shit sorted.

Even since Launch, we've seen massive improvements in how Ryzen performs on the desktop. I think it may well be some time yet before motherboard vendors finally get everything in place and allow Ryzen some room to move around.

>projected of a 15% IPC increase over standard Skylake

It is standard Skylake, shitposter-san. That's quite literally how Intel's HEDT platform works. That's quite literally why it's called Skylake. It's the exact same archetecture, and won't reach the same sort of clocks as the quad cores either.

my uncle rather

>competing
In what? Stuttering even at 720p when overclocked to 4.9Ghz?
youtube.com/watch?v=qswrFCb5sMQ

Yeah, it'll have trouble competing there since it runs all games smoothly.

Skylake-X launches at IDF 2017, with probably another shitshow mobo situation like every HEDT platform in the last 5 years, that's way too late, both since Pinnacle Ridge is 4-5 months after and because everyone who already got a Ryzen or Broadwell-E(heck, even Haswell since similar IPC) won't upgrade.

>that's probably because of the new cache architecture and quad-channel DDR4

Hmm, funny how no previous HEDT rehash of an arch has ever seen these improvements, despite benefiting from those exact same things. It's almost like it's completely made up or something...

Never underestimate the wallet of a fanboy.

Value for money is a concept lost on all but a select few it seems now.

To add insult to injury the 12 to 16 core Zens are launching in June.

>5 months after everyone and their mother bought Ryzen

No one will buy Intel's overpriced garbade anyway.

months after everyone and their mother bought Ryzen
Lel, it's the same situation as Fermi vs Evergreen half a year late, 10% faster, twice the power use and 50% more expensive.

Nice that AMD is finally viable now as a replacement.
At least to the average CPU consumer.
I've growing tired of Intel these past years as well.
:^]

>""'''"15%"""""
So the improvement will be negligible then?

What's the purpose of Skylake-X besides a non-XeonPhi entry point into HEDT Optane and AXV512 programming ?

They have to produce milk somehow.

>only 10 cores
>not even 6 channels like the Xeons
>no ECC

What's the point of this abortion?

>launching at the Israeli Defense Force
Can't make this shit up folks

Ehh, they are pretending they can compete against AMD.

>10 cores
>competing against 16 with ECC support
don't think so.

I hope Ryzen announces the 1900 and 1950X pricing the day Intel launches Skylake-X.

>he thinks Skylake xeons all get 6 channel memory
Only the 20+ core ones have that, memory controllers are spread through different core complexes, even Haswell-EX is like that, it's not a monolithic memory controller, that's insane.

They are pretending. No one actually takes this launch seriosly.

>I hope Ryzen announces the 1900 and 1950X pricing the day Intel launches Skylake-X.

>1900/1950X(tentative) is released in June, Skylake-X is middle of August (IDF) to last week of August(gamescon)
With availability probably 1st of September

15% IPC is possible only in specific cache bound applications due to Skylake-X 4x the L2 but 3x less the L3, with no register, load/store/retire changes, needless to say it'll make a great dedicated CPU-z architecture!

>JUST WAIT(TM)
Intelfags remain on suicide watch.

My-my, the times have changed.

Reminds me that Ryzen has situations where it demolishes the Broadwell-E in certain single threaded tasks even at the same single core clock.

Wow, it's almost like IPC isn't static or something.

Fucking witchcraft.

That's the fucking 10 core BDW-E and it's still doing so good against it.

>the 6 core projected at $400
Meanwhile, you can get a Ryzen 1600, motherboard and RAM for $400, then OC it easily with the included cooler.

Unless you're retarded, a fanboy (same thing really), or filthy rich, it makes zero sense to go for Intel even it it does cost $400 just for the CPU.

You won't even be able to get the Skylake-X six core until September, I dunno what OP's thinking.

If I had to JustWait(TM) for 5 more months I could JustWait(TM) another 4 months for Zen2

>I could JustWait(TM) another 4 months for Zen2

there's no way this would come that early, right?

>I dunno what OP's thinking
>"This'll get me so many (You)s hehehe! :^)"

He was right.

maybe they'll pull the radeon move and just rebrand shit with slightly higher clocks each year

Pinnacle Ridge Q1 2018, AMD has been releasing Bulldozer upgrades every year consistently for an arch that nobody cared for since 2011, and they even promised a Tock Tock Tock release cadence for Zen.

>While Anderson’s responsible for bringing Ryzen to market—“you don’t have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this,” Anderson said—it’s Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel’s two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: “We’re not going tick-tock,” he said. “Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock.”


And considering I can find at least 10 different things to improve for Zen2 compared to Zen on the top of my head, we can very well expect a good IPC increase.

WHAT?
I thought Skylake-X would be the one in June/July and 1900/1950X(tentative) would be in August or September.

>JUST WAIT(TIM)

Holy crap that VirtualBox. Why is that so good? I'm probably going to be running that on my Ryzen system.

Is Skylake-X's AVX-512 actually 512bit width, or 256bit * 2?

>the 6 core projected at $400
but will require a $450 motherboard or some shit

see

The 32 core Opterons are releasing in late Q2, why would you think the 1900/1950X(tentative) are in Aug/Sep?

It's Skylake so 256*2 afaik.

>512b FPU pipe

That's literally meltdowner-tier

>That's literally meltdowner-tier
It's fucking Intel, they always resort to housefire whenever someone competes against them.

>Remember how Intel always says new gen is 10%increase when it actually 1% episode.

It was just a joke, there's no way they have a FPU pipe that huge, it's skylake so 256*2 is logical

>15% IPC increase
Just like Kaby Lake, no?

Does that say that production weeks will be week 22-24 of 2017 for just some of the wafers? lol.

>The 32 core Opterons are releasing in late Q2, why would you think the 1900/1950X(tentative) are in Aug/Sep?
because apparently it takes mobo manufacturers months to make boards.

>all the synthetic benchmarks and crap that I never use
>ryzen equal or slightly worse
>all the crap I actually do use
>ryzen better or equal

nice

Oh, I see, thanks. No improvement from AVX2, then.

It gets even better on a nonshit system not using ICC

So 1.5% increase? not bad, last time it was only a 1% increase.

desu $400 6-core is DOA when I can get a $250 6-core from AMD

And by the time Intel's 6-core is out the R5's will be $20-$30 cheaper than they are now.

Motherboards are made 2 months in advance, how else would you otherwise get microcode and EFI up to snuff?
Also these 16 core ones will be using actual good shit from Supermicro and not gaymer shit, so that will be neat.

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God I hope Supermicro has a 2P board for these 16 core Zens, I know moving to 32 core Naples boards will be way too expensive.

In all seriousness, because I assumed that the HEDT platform would come significantly later after the server ones.

Like I figure Snowy Owl would launch around Naples, but I figured they'd just pace out the launch more for the 16 and 12 core HEDT SKUs.
I still feel this is probably true and it'll be like August or September for "X399" or whatever.

It's not all that fair a comparisons as it's being compared to the $1700 Broadwell 10 core.

Pretty fucking funny.

Intel has been wrecked.

>In all seriousness, because I assumed that the HEDT platform would come significantly later after the server ones.
It's usually the other way around isn't it? The server ones need much more validation and that takes time.

The only reason the HEDT ones would release after the server ones is because server demand is even higher and they're re-purposing the HEDT for certain server SKUs

Which doesn't make all that much sense because server SKUs are made in conjunction with server customer demand, if they want a SKU, AMD will make them, there's rarely ever unused SKUs found in that market unlike the consumer ones, which seems to majorly focus on like 2-5 SKUs per line.

OH BOY A NEW SOCKET THANK YOU INTEL PLEASE TAKE ALL MY SHEKELS!

So you mean AMD actually made Intel drop their insane prices and make an actually measurable IPC gain? Wow, AMD is doing good this year.

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>desu $400 6-core is DOA when I can get a $250 6-core from AMD
and the AM4 boards aren't as expensive as intel's HEDT shit

Unverified rumor horseshit.

15% IPC outside of canned benches that don't exit the caches seem to be extremely questionable just from cache size changes, in fact It's fucking impossible.

Outdated. Prime, Doom and AotS performance was fixed.

Oy-vey delet this.

>15%* IPC increase over standard Skylake
>measured *In CPU-Z

>meanwhile kiddies cherrypick benchmarks for gaming
intel btfo, naples when.

and as usual, socket change for every new intel cpu.

How much is an AM4 mobo compared to a mobo for a 6900K.

It's a day 1 bench, but S:A never did a retest with the 1800X, here's with the 1600X, and yes, there's obvious changes now with Prime and WinRar

Doesn't the 6950X cost $1400, and the AMD 1800X only costs $500?

That's ridiculous that it has comparable performance.

If you don't want to overclock(and if you got a 1800X you don't need to) you can go with a $90 AM4 mobo.

>In all seriousness, because I assumed that the HEDT platform would come significantly later after the server ones.

>It's usually the other way around isn't it?
Usually, but Naples is literally just 4 1800X CPUs put together under the same IHS on the same socket, no?
So Ryzen 7 launch was able to test and iron out the kinks for both Naples and Snow Owl so they can get those server contracts they'll need to fulfill before they think much about selling 12 core or 16 core desktop.

$80 vs $250.
You can find X99 as cheap as $150, but they're garbage. You can get an actual good B350 board in the $65-$105 range.

I want to build a little NAS box with a ryzen power sipper cpu

>If you don't want to overclock(and if you got a 1800X you don't need to) you can go with a $90 AM4 mobo.
What? You can overclock on a $90 motherboard.

Yes, but there's no need to overclock a 1800X at all, overclocking (as in moving the multiplier) disables all


>When the "OC Mode" is activated the SMU will disable the voltage controllers, which among other things disables the automatic voltage offsets. This can create an illusion that the power consumption is heavily increasing due to the use of "OC Mode". While technically it is accurate, it is more of a consequence than the actual reason. A vast majority of the increased power consumption comes from the now disabled automatic negative voltage offsets, which causes the actual CPU voltage to increase anything between 50 and 150mV. Because of this behavior, it is advised that the user doesn't increase the CPU voltage right away (when overclocking), but only upon actual demand (as usual).

>One of the major down sides of the "OC-Mode" is that upon activation both Turbo and XFR will be disabled as well. Basically, this means that unless you are able to reach at least the default MSCF / XFR frequency on all cores, then you will essentially be losing single threaded performance compared to stock configuration.

Holy, is that a fucking $330 Skylake i7? Jesus Christ.

where I live (straya cunt), X370 Taichi is $329 and there's only 3 boards more expensive.

there's B350 boards for under $150 if you're poorfagging it (and combined with the 6 or 8 core ryzen cpus you get a huge amount of performance for not much money)

cheapest shit-tier X99 boards are ~$350-450 while the ones worth having are all in the $500+ range (with the meme ANUS shit going for like $800+)

Yup, it's pretty amusing that some tests actually go way over the theoretical 50% increase in performance from 50% more cores, note that the 6700k is higher clocked as well.
It just goes to show that measuring IPC in a single application is retarded, IPC is not static.

The Blender, Virtualbox, VeraCrypt and Foobar results are nothing short of hilarious.

Here in canuckistan the x370 is literally $400

I don't know how the fuck anyone justifies a price like that for what you're actually getting. In comparison the Gaming 3 and Asrock Pro b350 boards are both ~$130 - $160.

>12 and 16 core
So three & four CCX units on a chip?
Here's hoping it still plugs into the AM4 socket.

How much is a mobo for a 6900K?

Can someone answer though, I don't get this:
Why is VirtualBox, virtualization software, so much better on AMD?

>12 and 16 core
>So three & four CCX units on a chip?
No. It appears it'll literally be 2 1600X or 2 1800X put under the same IHS.
>Here's hoping it still plugs into the AM4 socket.
nope

>How much is a mobo for a 6900K?

Non garbage ones start at $200

No way, those things are on SP3 or SP4, which are 3700+ pin LGA sockets, they're not even PGA

>Why is VirtualBox, virtualization software, so much better on AMD?
Some architectures are very potent at certain applications, the hell if I know why Virtbox performance is so high without some profiler tools.

>140W

I need some r3 shit for a sweet little box
wonder how much the cheapest r3 cpu is going to be.

Darn

Shit

Maybe Intel really is fucked this time.