Realistically speaking is VEGA even going to be able to compete with Pascal...

Realistically speaking is VEGA even going to be able to compete with Pascal? It seems like all their funding and research went over to building up Ryzen.

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Yes. AMD always competes in price.

No. Give up, buy a Quadro GP100 if you want HBM2 and use GeForce drivers.

but what if i want freesync 2 you dumb kike?

AMD ruined ATI. Before you could buy a hd4850 for $150 that would reck Nvidias high end 8800gts now their best cards are mediocre midranges that have to compete with both gimpworks and jewvidia $600 cards.

Rumors put it flogging 1070's. Possibly nipping at 1080Ti's heels.
I doubt AMD will release something that doesn't at least almost match 1070.
They've got the 580 now that does in the 1060.
There's no market for something that's a midpoint between that and a 1070-80.

10% faster than a 1080 on immature drivers, might see then match a 1080ti but are nowhere near a titan Xp and will be shortly outclassed again by volta

Good enough for competition.

Most estimates seem to put the top consumer entry as ~10% >1080 as far as power goes.

If that's all they can muster with HBM2 roll out and damn near a whole year of nvidia dominance in the high-range market, then that'll be pretty disappointing.

The Radeon group is seperate from AMD, and they don't share resources anymore, which was the issue before.

whats the point of having another Pascal? The 480x was already selling well and was cheaper then the 1060. I highly doubt that VEGA would come close to the 1080ti and Nvidia has gone full retard with releasing 2 titans card in 1 generation fucking with their high end market. If I were AMD i would just go ahead and release something to counter the 1070 at a much lower price.

Because they got access to better foundrys allowing them to remake the 480, but better. Now it really kicks the 1060 ass.
> If I were AMD i would just go ahead and release something to counter the 1070
That's what they're doing at least. AMD knows what's up.
They wont make a card that costs more than a 1070. If it does cost 20-30 more, its because it's taking swings at the titans.
They want the GPU market back.

>Realistically speaking is VEGA even going to be able to compete with Pascal
never

>whats the point of having another Pascal? The 480x was already selling well and was cheaper then the 1060
you mean another polaris?
AMD has been rebadging their GPUs since like 2011. R9 280x was a rebadge of the 7970. even nvidia is guilty of this with kepler, because maxwell was taking too long.

Well, you are retarded. Last ATI card was the x1950pro, hd4850 is AMD era.

Ok time for summary:

Vega is the biggest fundamental architecture change since they switched from Terascale to GCN 1.0
The new NCU means a massive boost to efficiency in the shader core and a much easier ability to fully saturate the GPU with work.
The biggest problem with Fiji(furyX) is that its 4096 shaders didnt mean very much because of large bubbles in the pipeline and large ammounts of shaders idling and doing no work each cycle.
Even with a low Level API like Vulcan which is best case scenario the FuryX is still not running with all cylinders firing because Vulkan only solved the Driver overhead problem. There is still bubbles in the workload because of the fundamental design of the GCN architecture itself.

AMD is switching from standard 4x16-bit blocks of a normal GCN CU(compute unit) to This new design of a variable 8+4+2+2 block and either four of these or a mix of these and standard 16-bit blocks in this new NCU(next compute unit)

They could not Do this in the past because they did not have the technology to build a Hardware Scheduler and Memory Scheduler Complexed enough to run this kind of architecture.

We have test samples of Vega with NCU's disabled and with very low clockspeeds and its beating a 1900mhz overclocked gtx 1080 in DOOM. Now there is a gain from using Vulcan over DX11 and OpenGL for AMD but thats on the Driver Overhead side not on the fundamental shader operations side. IT just means the CPU is feeding draw calls to the GPU at peak efficiency.

Alot of people dismiss the test because its vulcan but they dont know what they are looking at. The Vega sample is running FIJI 1.2 drivers Which means the instructions are running through the Vega NCU's like they are standard fixed 16-bit blocks like you have on a FuryX card.

So you need to look at it from this perspective.

This New architecture is more advanced than Maxwel/Pascal. You are going to see unreal performance from Vega when its finally released. Poor Volta

nobody I know of ever bought a titan. Titans are just a cash grab from Nvidia so i dont think AMD has to worry about those.Besides the 1080ti has already reached the final throughput with this architecture so theres little more they can do to make it better. They should just create a high end gpu with newer technologies that would go well with their FineWineTM branding. HBM2 is a good place to start. They should also concentrate on getting more Vulkan exclusives support to counter nvidia works which is very harmful to consumers to say the least.

>everything is just a rebrand of the 8800

this copypasta is so gay why does it keep getting posted

I think the point that I was making is that VEGA was scheduled to be released sometime in 2017. I think its weird to release a re brand next to a new architecture.

>Now it really kicks the 1060 ass.

what is there like a 100mhz difference in clock speeds? 50 mhz?

Vega engineering samples @1200mhz with alpha drivers were neck and neck with 1080s.

We already know the Instinct MI 25 card is clocked at 1500mhz boost clocks.

So expect the gamer card to overclock beyond that.

Nvidia releasing a fully uncorked titan should give you a hint about how powerful Vega will be. Right between the 1080ti and TitanXP^2.

the gaymer card is the one matching the 1080. the chip is as big as gp100. it's going to be dogshit, literally AMD's fermi.

Lower power consumption, and much greater overclocking potential. Unlike the 1060 that crashes at 2151mhz.
Because it's accurate.
>Nvidia releasing a fully uncorked titan
That's a little concerning. I have a feeling nVidias line up is ridiculously gimped.
I.E. The 1060 fully unlocked on Ln2 hits 8000Mhz...

it will end up just like ryzen
>g-guys it was meant to be a workstation gpu, totally not a gaming gpu with all the games in the background in the trailer

Keep stuttering that line 7700 fag.

>Well, you are retarded. Last ATI card was the x1950pro, hd4850 is AMD era.
considering length of development cycles, you are the retard

actually i want to buy a ryzen 5 but it's too expensive right now and i don't want a i5 (x264 encoding)

Dog shit at what? Offering quadro compute for 25% less? Or killing Nvidia market share as AMD will have their infinity fabric laden Vega and Ryzen combos running rings around Intel and Nvidia as their drivers choke any serious asynchronous compute?

And we haven't even seen the entire Vega line up. Multiple card variants like Fury with an air cooler, a nano, an HBM2 or a GDDR5 version, an AIO water cooled version. If the top end Vega hits 1080ti performance, what's a cut down six pin Vega nano going to do against a 1080? Volta won't save Nvidia either.

>it will end up just like ryzen
killing comptetion?

i meant dogshit at offering decent performance without melting your house into a ball of carbon plasma.

>actually i want to buy a ryzen 5 but it's too expensive right now and i don't want a i5
The mobo's are cheaper for Ryzen. It's the RAM you should be trying to be thrifty with. Unless you just flat out don't have the budget at this time.

The 1080ti has a 250w tdp. 50 less than Vega instinct MI25.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

When is Vega actually coming out? Why are they releasing RX500 series when Vega is around the corner?

Because the 5XX series id an updated 4XX card. Made on a better process allowing higher clock speeds.
It is in no way meant to compete with nvidias high end. They are mid range cards aimed at anyone that hasn't bought a 480, or aren't retarded enough to buy a 1060.
Vega is hopefully the 1080 killer.

it will be slower in games and faster in benchmarks

if slower you mean a difference of 2.3 FPS but an overall stutter-free smooth experience then i'll take it over nvidia any day.

you look like a biased man
i mean 10-20% slower but sometimes the same or even faster, but with older games mostly slower, just like ryzen

What's there not to like about having Pascal-tier DX11/OGL performance coupled with non-crippled DX12/Vk performance?

Ryzen has been proven to have lower frametimes unlike stutter-lake. Higher statistical average means nothing if the game hiccups every once in a while.

Yeah, at first.
The 1070/80's didn't preform at the FPS they do today.
If you really think day one benches are the be all and end all, you don't belong here.

>non-crippled DX12/Vk performance
ahem

>If you really think day one benches are the be all and end all, you don't belong here.
i do know that amd gpus get better in games with time

i really hope it will be like this in every game, not only in some games
and there is still the problem with the cpu not getting 100% utilized

Those estimates are only based on gcn Arch. In reality it may be 50 percent faster in Dx12/Vulkan at 4k in a game that is decently optimized for it's extra capabilities. Even the Radeon pro so beat the Titan X Pascal in 4k dx12

>and use GeForce drivers.
why would I want that? did you miss the news? nvidia drivers are botnet now

There is no way it's under a 1080, it has the same shader count as a Fury X which gives a 1070 decent competition, and it has double the memory and 50% higher clocks than the Fury X. Even if there are no improvements on utilization and IPC like they claim there is, then it'll be above a 1080. Absolute minimum is 15% below a 1080 Ti, maximum is 20% over. It all depends on how good they get resource utilization over Fury. If they can get it to scale to the same level as Polaris 10 then it'll be a good 10% over.

I looked at the other numbers from that link in a thread a few days go.
That comment was me being conservative based on that alone.
I personal believe that it will be 1080Ti tier on release. And make some surprising gains shortly after.
But at current stats there's a fair few points that it needs to come up in. But as said those scores are on shitty drivers and a low clocked sample.
I like to 'undercut' expectation because of shills around here. They will soon start trying to say that it's an Xp killer ect. To create false hopes, in order to smash them down.
Like how they were trying to say the 480 was a 1080 killer.
At this stage there is little price data. So our best modest guess is 1080 levels.
I'm looking forward to it. Even if it's at 1080 levels, because fuck nVidia.

for what its wroth, amd's marketing department has said "Vega performance compared to the Geforce GTX 1080 Ti and the Titan Xp looks really nice."

realistically i'm expecting halfway between 1080 and 1080ti

No, youre a retard user. Not getting out of that one. Im not even the same person.

you the idiot here

The leaked bench, which should be taken with a truckload of salt, put it between the 1080 and 1080ti, but that was at 1200MHz, so who the fuck knows how the performance scales up to 1600MHz

poor volta

Dank as fuck.
mate if what you're saying is right, and amd's pricing at 1070 levels nVidia is done for. Mate, I'd buy three of them just in spite.
Sell the other two as "used" to people that would post a fuck ton about them and drive even more sales.
Really, nVidia does have something to be worried about. But not quite sure if to the level you state.

Polaris scales pretty nicely with clockspeed(and memory), some 5% perf from a 6% increase in clock, Vega won't have to worry about bandwidth so the pure clock scaling should be higher than Polaris as Vega has higher IPC.

>CPU not getting 100% utilized
it is an 8 core 16 thread, there is insane amount of headroom.There is a video of some korean dude playing 5 games at once on a Ryzen.

Your Mom!

nani?

>I'm looking forward to it. Even if it's at 1080 levels, because fuck nVidia
this desu, match the 1080 performance and i'm sold

will be perfect for my new work pc build that will likely run some flavour of linux for vm hosting

if it manages to match 1080 at launch then in six months or so it will become between 1080 and 1080Ti due to better drivers. Just look at the 290x at launch and now.

youtube.com/watch?v=UtyaGppWknE

That guy is clueless.

Welcome to shittube hardware speculah, enjoy your stay

>become between 1080 and 1080Ti due to better drivers.
Try titan Xp.
Seriously. it'd a major shift.

U see this video posted one more time and I'm going to file a copyright complaint.

FineWine™

Just goes to show how much more competent Nvidia engineers are at squeezing the most out of their cards early.
As far as hardware is concerned though Vega looks promising, Nvidia releasing a second Titan is disconcerting.

Better luck with next year's 690X equivalent if it releases with HBM2, I have a feeling it will be hard to get a vega because they will fail to produce enough volume just like fury before it. As if announcing the 500 series refresh isn't enough of an indicator, they pulled the same shit with 300 series.
They can't keep getting away with this.

No it just goes to show how fucking ancient DX11 and the Intel/Nvidia platform. Nvidia did have to change shit. Meanwhile DX12/Vulkan/Ryzen/Vega is a new incoming set of hardware and software for games developers to optimize for so will take time to mature.

No it just goes to show how fucking ancient DX11 and the Intel/Nvidia platform is. Nvidia didn't have to change shit. Meanwhile DX12/Vulkan/Ryzen/Vega is a new incoming set of hardware and software for games developers to optimize for so will take time to mature.

but when are we getting volta

you know what's really sad about Sup Forums?

that they are so much of a consumer whore that they don't see the motives behind nvidia and amd

>We have test samples of Vega with NCU's disabled and with very low clockspeeds and its beating a 1900mhz overclocked gtx 1080 in DOOM. Now there is a gain from using Vulcan over DX11 and OpenGL for AMD but thats on the Driver Overhead side not on the fundamental shader operations side. IT just means the CPU is feeding draw calls to the GPU at peak efficiency.
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Damn too late.

Everybody bought already the 1070 and 1080.

Vega will be only a huge success if it costs 400 USD and gives more than 1080ti.

Nobody is going to spend time doing a sidegrade.

By the time DX12/Vulkan is relevant Nvidia would have come out with a new architecture better utilizing it, or rev up their underhanded gimping bullshit.

Q2 2018

why upgrading for games which are barely worth it

kek, better sell your 1080ti now when it's worth something

I am still on a 980, if I can squeeze close to 1080Ti performance with vega at 4K and VR for good price/performance and be able to buy it off the shelf then I would consider it.
They don't seem to have support for asynchronous re-projection yet, or equivalent optimization technique to Multi resolution shading implemented in current releases.

Don't know what the state of liquidVR is at the moment, but I know I already have access to these features on my current card which are handy. Async reprojection is just a safety net during performance dips, but Multi res shading does give a good boost to performance. Hopefully developers would implement a hardware agnostic solution, for now I go with what is currently accessible. Not in a rush to upgrade.

when are we getting zen+

Q1 2018

Navi? Probably Q3-Q4 2018

RX 480 8gb - 232 mm2
1080 - 314 mm2
1080Ti - 471 mm2
Titan Xp - 471 mm2
Vega 10 - 530-560 mm2

He might be right

>AMD announced back in February 2017 that they were working on adding asynchronous reprojection support to their GPUs, and the April 2017 ReLive 17.4.1 driver released for Radeon RX 470 and RX 480 cards now delivers this promise

???

vrheads.com/what-asynchronous-reprojection-and-how-do-i-use-it

why everyone is putting Vega on pat with gtx 1080? Vega is way too big chip to have such low performance.

this

No, he's clueless, he didn't even mention the die sizes.

First of all, we already have a bench of a 1200MHz Vega against a 1080 and 1080Ti, even if it is a compute benchmark there are 3D benchmarks included for the manchildren.

Secondly, we knew Vega's core setup and clockspeed in DECEMBER, after that it's simple napkin math to gauge its performance without any architectural improvements(and there's too much of those to get a proper gauge on performance, so without them is worst case and a good baseline)


tl;dr/tl;dw, some fag coming to a flawed performance conclusion on hardware without any technical background or investigation.

>AYYMDPOORFAGS THINK AYYMD WILL SELL A 500mm2 GPU AND EXPENSIVE HBM2 BELOW $600

TOPPEST KEK

>he seriously thinks 11GB GD5X and its accompanying traces are cheap

>vega 530 mm2 with hbm2 performs on par with 1080 314 mm2

how can one be this autistic?

Where did I even state that you retard?

Still way cheaper than interposer and doing all the through silicon vias for HBM2, SK Hynix can't even deliver HBM2 higher than 1.4GHz on their website, meaning 400GB/s bandwidth only with 2 HBM2 stacks, slower than a 1080 Ti's 484GB/s bandwidth

Dumb moron like you don't know anything

that's the context of what you're disagreeing with, check the replies timeline, retard.

>flogging
>nipping
>does in
reddit

It's the context that your head came up with, if anything I just stated that Vega is doing rather fucking well against a 1080ti with much lower clocks than retail and infant drivers.

That is good news, which leaves MRS.

Only released game I own so far that makes of use of MRS is poolNation VR.
I'd have to do some more digging at least with regards to performance comparison between 390X/Fury and 980 in pool nation VR or equivalent to see if that feature is worth it or not. All it does is reduce the amount of redundant pixels being rendered that are lost or not easily noticeable when the image is warped to properly match the optics.

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Even if they just produced a 560mm^2 Polaris it would be almost on par with a 1080Ti.

Way cheaper? Prove it, you're acting as if that much GDDR5X costs fucking nothing, apparently the 384bit memory controller using it costs nothing too.
Is 2 stacks of HBM2 on a interposer more expensive? Probably, but to a notable difference? Very fucking unlikely, Fiji had more HBM stacks and the Nano was still sold for like $500

so then what the fuck are you whining about here in the video they say that vega is going to beat the 1080 and match/outperform the titan XbigP, the pic you show shows that as well

you're basically agreeing with him except you're showing other evidence of this

stop crying faggot

I'm crying because he came to a conclusion based on fucking nothing..
"I think the Vega will be near the Titan X.." based on fucking what? I can claim that Navi will be either 30% slower to 50% faster than Volta, great huh?

>speculated
>was right

who gives a shit user, he was right even if he came to the conclusion out of thin air or didn't provide the evidence of how he came to that conclusion

But that's nothing but a lucky guess.

As said I can claim in 10 different videos how X hardware will perform in 10% increments compared to the competition, one of them will be true at least!

Holy shit at how triggered you are that somebody made a lucky guess, step back from the keyboard and get some fresh air.