/pcbg/ - PC Building General-- w-wait for vega edition
Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions.
State the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA. If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price or improve specs. List the games or software you use most often. Use common sense and put some effort into your queries. GOOGLE IT FIRST
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com >General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice (which is pretty outdated/shit), Windows activation information. pastebin.com/F9diF2hA >Semi-outdated information about how to assemble a PC, how to select components, etc. wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>Pentium G4560 remains the best if your budget is only around $500. >The Ryzen 1700 is the only R7 worth purchasing. >i5 edges out R5 for gaming, R5 wins in apps. >i3 are no longer worth getting with zero exceptions. The budget choice is the G4560. Otherwise get an i5/r5. >Whoever saying locked i5s were useless were hedging on great R5 performance... oh well. >The R5 1600 is the best all around chip for the price, it's a better choice than an R7 for gaming. >SSDs are worth it. Expensive SSDs aren't worth it. >RX 500 series around 10% better than 400s >for budget builds, consider a mATX setup for case/mobo savings
There's been a huge upswing in disinformation in these threads, and in the community in general. At the end of the day, YOU are the one who loses if you take bad advice.
If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with and report.
Can anyone suggest ways to improve this build or make it cheaper? Its for workstation purposes (music production). I play vidya also but just gonna use integrated graphics till I save up for a good graphics card later. I'm from UK and my budget is 300.
Jose Gutierrez
What's the highest premium you'd pay for G-sync on a monitor? +100? More?
Missed out on the $300 1440p 144hz Gsync Dell that was up a week ago and everything comparable is depressing to imagine shelling out for.
Ryder Morales
Did anyone else buy the XFX GTR RX 480? If you look on that back of the box and read the little promotional things it looks like they left editors notes in some of them? I'm not home to take a picture but there were things in parentheses talking about how they could use different words or that this sentence may have sounded better.
The card is fucking amazing but they've obviously done some weird shit when it comes to editing the packaging.
Newegg has a whole bunch of these combo deals with the MSI B350M Gaming PRO motherboard in it but I've been hearing it's a bad choice for some reason. Why is that?
lmao find a pic. i've seen that stuff before in manuals and the like on chinese components
the mobo itself is fine. the 1600 is the only ryzen worth getting
James Taylor
How well can skylake handle 4k / h.265 playback? I have a z170 board laying around
Isaac Rogers
Because its MSI I advise you get a soundcard for music production
Brody King
Is there any advantages with X370 from B350 other than SLI extra ports/satas and better onboard sound/lan cards? Wouldn't a B350 suffice just fine for overclocking ram to 3200mhz, a Rysen 5 1600 to 3.8-4.0ghz and an rx 580? Is going for B350 over X370 going to affect performance in any way because of the different chipset?
Xavier Brown
poorfag here
is i5 7400 + gtx 1060 6gb a good combo?
Jackson Hernandez
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Henry Myers
For a ryzen build. Is it really worth it to go for ddr4 3200 ram instead of 3000 ?
Ayden Hall
>i5 7400 Why not just go with Ryzen 5 1500X?
Asher Carter
no not bad i5 7400 wins in gaming nah go B350 RX 480/580 is usually cheaper and almost as good
Charles Davis
That's what amd said. Is 200mhz difference alot? No. Will getting that increase your performance? Yes. Is the price gap worth it? Depending on your country, if price gap
Asher Diaz
i just checked and for some reason i can't find it anywhere in my third world country, not gonna buy from somewhere else, ends up being more expensive
anyways, is it a good combo?
Logan Parker
for casual shit it probably won't be worth it then.
Liam Thomas
I need good looking ITX case Airflow is not a big factor, I'm not using a graphics card nor am I dealing with higher that 45W TDP (It's an ASRock Xeon E3-1585L v5 motherboard). Any suggestions?
Camden Foster
1060 + i5 7500 or rx480 + 1500x ?
without memes, please
Jordan Moore
What's the current r5 approved ram?
Are the e-die Samsung chips still the one to get?
Ryder Scott
>my 7850 just died >1060 is too shitty to do anything >1070 is too expensive and I can't jump from 60hz/1080p anyways >I can't trust AMD ever again
Fucking hell
Josiah Price
rx580 + 1600
Jason Thomas
>approved ram its all the same shit aside from MHz and GB
Camden Wright
>product last 6 years >cant trust its manufacturer
Atleast be me who got a DOA 770
Adrian Rogers
Too expensive, does not fit my budget
Owen Nguyen
>rx 570 power consumption
wtf did they do that it's so much higher than the 470? I thought it would be more efficient. What the heck.
Well, since everything looks better now using shitty integrated intel 4000 I'm fucking over with AMD forever
Anyways I'm fucked up to 2070 GTx I guess
Carter Rivera
just get a gtx 1060 3gb and maybe a better cpu?
Brody Foster
>>cant trust its manufacturer
probably wasn't even an oem card
my bfg 9800gtx died after about 6 years too, can never trust nvidia again
Ryan Barnes
Should i upgrade my i5 6500 non k cpu to an i7 or should i just get ryzen instead?
Also how the fuck do i store an old CPU.
Dylan Baker
my thermaltake case is small and comfy. fits my 750ti well as a bonus
Sebastian Clark
i could get better stuff for cheap, etc, i don't care
just tell me if it's a good combination
Luke Reed
suck my dick bitch
Matthew Williams
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Brody Adams
Why are you asking here if you dont care for input on the component choices? Just purchase whatever you want and pray for a decent outcome.
Jace Butler
Fuck me I just realized newegg was US based and have huge international shipping costs. You guys know any good UK based ones? Their prices were far better too.
Jose Anderson
Ryzen will last you longer. Go for a R5 1600, 2x8gb 3200mhz RAM, rx 580 8gb or wait for Vega and B350 motherboard if you're on a budget. Otherwise if you just want absolute best performance in gaming on the 4-core model that will be replaced by 6-core utilization from games just getting better and better you could pickup i7-7700k and just stay with that until games start performing better on 6-core systems.
Chase Ortiz
NAH XD
Mason Scott
Alright thanks man.
Justin King
Best b350 board? Thinking getting a gaming 3? More SATA 3 ports than the tomahawk. Cheaper also in my country
Isaiah Harris
i thought people would reply >it's good >it's not good
Bentley Wilson
Best budget motherboard to go with a r5 1600 + rx580?
Ethan Ross
Are there any graphics cards under $100 that are better than a 7970? If not, what's the cheapest better card?
Jason Torres
1050ti is the best
Evan Ramirez
You can get any B350, i haven't heard any anons complain about any of them so just get the cheapest in your country. If on tight budged mATX ones are fine too they pretty much do the same job just less ports just think what you'll be using in the next couple of years in terms of peripherals and choose apropriately.
Sebastian Richardson
GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3
Gavin Allen
Is there any real benefit to spending $50-75 more on a motherboard? I see Z270's going for anywhere between $125 on sale to $220 and can't imagine the purpose behind that much hardware. I guess it helps with overclocking, but it can't be worth that much, surely?
Cameron Gonzalez
Can drop to 4GB 570 Can drop to 4c / 8t AMD CPU if just gaming Try to get 2933MHz RAM and a board that is compatible. Consider m.2 as a boot drive for simplicity and form factor 23-25" monitor. If you're getting 60Hz, just buy used. You can easily get them for $50. Otherwise get 80+Hz and Freesync
Adrian Foster
Thoughts on this build for a htpc? I'm open to suggestions: pcpartpicker.com/list/xhrVTH I might add a gpu in the future.
William Bennett
doesnt help with overclocking. just more flashy. get the cheapest Z270 you can find, not ASUS, and you'll be fine
Kevin Ortiz
No this mobo is NOT fine, it's trash, see This is only ok if you don't want to OC, like at all.
Josiah Allen
>pcpartpicker.com/list/xhrVTH 120GB ssd is too small go for 250GB. Consider investing on a 550W PSU over 450W in case you upgrade/add components in the future. Rest looks good.
Grayson Mitchell
>pcpartpicker.com/list/xhrVTH Too voluminous. HTPC should be small like m-ITX Consider m.2 for form factor and convenience
Jaxson Ward
I heard all you need is 4GB for 1080p gaming though. Why the Gigabyte motherboard? And the SeaSonic PSU as well. It's semi-modular, not fully modular. >Corsair keyboard with gaymur RGB lighting and meme switches For what reason? Why the 570 over the 580? And why 4 cores? Isn't 8 cores better for multitasking and future proofing since I plan to have this PC for a while? >Try to get 2933MHz RAM and a board that is compatible. Which RAM/mobo combo would you recommend? >Consider m.2 as a boot drive for simplicity and form factor But m.2 SSDs are more expensive. > If you're getting 60Hz, just buy used Why would I get a used monitor though? And why would I need a 25" monitor?
Luis Turner
>Why the 570 over the 580? A budget balancing option. 4GB 570 is almost same perf but costs less >And why 4 cores? Isn't 8 cores... The pcpartpicer link has a six core, but gaming doesn't really benefit proportionally from more. If you ever need more you will feel like you can actually upgrade (and by that time better Zen CPUs will be out). Anyway the 4C / 8T CPUs can max out the 580/1060 tier cards >Which RAM/mobo combo would you recommend? Honestly not sure, depends on your needs and research. You'll have to do some reading to make sure you can get the RAM working. In general I'd try to get 3000MHz RAM and run it at 2933 >But m.2 SSDs are more expensive Slightly, but much less dangle-y >Why would I get a used monitor though Much cheaper, as good as new, and I like the idea of reusing perfectly good things instead of being a consumer whore You don't need 25" (mine is 23"), but 21.5" is too small. Also there's refresh rate / Adaptive sync considerations
Lucas Powell
Do micro motherboards have any significant disadvantages vs a standard one?
Ayden Jones
23-25" is the sweet spot for 1080p viewing at typical desktop viewing ranges. Anything smaller is cramped/sacrifices viewing ability and anything larger is too grainy and blown up.
Personally I wouldn't buy a used monitor. There are plenty of 1080p@60hz monitors for sale (new) for very cheap prices.
If you're trying to play the newest games, 4c/8t is getting maxed out on the ritzier titles and the trend will likely continue for the next couple of years. If you play older games or toaster friendly stuff then you'll be fine.
Parker Rogers
Depends on chipset and a few other considerations, but not usually anything significant unless that particular thing was relevant to your particular use
Kayden Barnes
>4GB 570 is almost same perf but costs less If it's the same perf then why does the 4GB 580 have higher clocks? > gaming doesn't really benefit proportionally from more I know it doesn't, but it helps multi-tasking, which is ultimately what I will need on a gaming rig. I can see the argument for a 1500X though. I just have heard that the best price/perf R5 is the 1600. >but much less dangle-y What do you mean by this? >as good as new How so? The whole point of buying something used is that it isn't new. >I like the idea of reusing perfectly good things instead of being a consumer whore Then that's your bias. >but 21.5" is too small Why is 21.5" too small? >If you're trying to play the newest games, 4c/8t is getting maxed out on the ritzier titles So I should get a 6c/12t CPU then?
Caleb Wright
What's the recommended way to pirate windows again? I remember hearing something about using the official download then....theres a keygen or something?
Jace Flores
For Windows 10:
Just download the ISO off their site, its full windows 10 except its not activated but it works fine regardless.
Gavin Powell
Mainly less ram slots (often only 2 vs 4 of ATX), weaker vrms (only relevant for thirsty chips and overclockers) and less pcie (lol sli/crossfire).
It matters a tad more for ryzen given how it gets some of its lanes for M.2 but for the most part if you aren't overclocking and go for dense ram micro is just as good as ATX.
Only because MS would rather you pirate/not activate windows than migrate to other operating systems. It is why windows basically just werks™ even when not activated.
Logan Perry
>If it's the same perf then why does the 4GB 580 have higher clocks? GPU performance is mostly based on number of cores (they can have thousands), not on clockspeeds, although of course the metric matters. I said "almost the same", which means that you can get a certain "tier" of performance for cheaper.
>it helps multi-tasking, which is ultimately what I will need on a gaming rig. Not unless you want to have two games open at the same time or something. I'm gaming and on Sup Forums with an FX6350 right now.
>If you're trying to play the newest games, 4c/8t is getting maxed out on the ritzier titles and the trend will likely continue for the next couple of years. Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560, which is a 2C / 4T CPU with a relatively low clockspeed.
Jason Harris
>Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560, which is a 2C / 4T CPU with a relatively low clockspeed. Of course they can, but that's not what I said. If he wants to play the more computationally expensive AAA games he wont be able to keep up on a 2c/4t or event a 4c/8t processor in a couple years.
Aiden Brown
>which means that you can get a certain "tier" of performance for cheaper. Then why not get one of the $230 RX 580 8GB models for the better bins and more VRAM? >Not unless you want to have two games open at the same time or something Yes but more and more games will start using more cores, making it able to last longer. This why the i5 is on its last legs IIRC. >Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560 AHAHAHAHA. Not even that user but that is such a blatant lie its fucking hilarious.
Alexander Myers
In that case you're making an assertion about the future that is COMPLETELY unfounded. A 4c/8t CPU has twice the multithreaded performance of a 2c/4t CPU from the same family and at similar clockspeeds. Games currently run fine-to-well on a 2c/4t, so are you really saying that suddenly games will change to needing twice the CPU grunt to be playable? Especially consider Intel's performance creep, CPU requirements aren't skyrocketing anytime soon. Consoles only have eight threads, so I'm sure that'll be the magic number of threads for a while.
Ethan Thomas
>background tasks don't exist, cpu cycles are free!
>>Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560 >AHAHAHAHA. Not even that user but that is such a blatant lie its fucking hilarious. You're so stupid it's hilarious.. prattling on the internet about things you don't know. 60+FPS is the usual with a G4560.
This chart doesn't have a G4560 but it will be above the i3-4330 (which always holds a minimum of 60+FPS) because it's on a newer uarch and process, and they are the same speed. One example of many.
>I make irrelevant and nonsensical comments!
Jace Brooks
which PSU should i choose: >EVGA SuperNOVA NEX >EVGA SuperNOVA G2 >EVGA SuperNOVA GS it would be 650W. from what i've read i choose G2
Ian Rogers
Read it and weep retard
Xavier Gomez
Why did you doublepost?
Lincoln Rodriguez
>>I make irrelevant and nonsensical comments!
Yes because a "clean" review environment is the same as a typical system for everday use.
Liam Johnson
Thanks, you just proved how moronic you are. Stay fucking retarded.
Austin Rivera
or basically is the GS as good as the G2? i want to save $10-20.
Cooper Thompson
Now you fucking triplepost, the fuck is wrong with you?
Joseph Fisher
What's the most destitute rig that will allow me to play games like Payday 2, Borderlands 2, Monster Hunter, and Dark Souls?
Isaiah Bennett
Thanks, you just proved how moronic you are. Stay fucking retarded.
Josiah Perez
Look up the benchmarks for Payday 2 and Dark Souls. I don't think Monster Hunter is on PC m8, too lazy to search though
i've heard bad things about MSI mobos, looks okay otherwise.
Gavin Powell
pcpartpicker.com/list/HNnLBP Hey guys, any improvment i can make without raising the price or any cheaper performanceless change?
Adrian Parker
Aiming for 4K@60, having 290X. Should I try something like this
Matthew Diaz
Hm. Had heard it was the ATX tomahawk that was the shitter and the mortar was bueno. Seems like all the mATX boards are a bit of a lottery desu. Got a friend who's had his 1600 running at 3.9 on stock cooling for a week or two on that thing without issue, and it was one of the few with a decent QVL so I could be fairly confident my RAM will run at rated speed. Might be shit but for the price I figured I'd take a punt. Not sure I buy the conventional wisdom to go with the Asrocks given they are/were being offered at a discount for reviews.
Reassuring there's no major fuck-ups in the rest. Thanks.
Nathaniel Hall
I want a 4k monitor down the line, maybe a year from now. Y'know.
Would the better investment be the RX580 4gb, or the 8gb version?
Theres an 80 dollar price difference between them here.
Sebastian Edwards
Neither are going to cut it at 4K, especially a year from now. If you're currently at 1080p get a card that meets your needs now and stash the dollardoos to put toward an upgrade when you go 4K.
Mason Adams
two fucking titans and minecraft
I feel the rage of a million stallmans right now
William King
That's kinda what i was thinking with the announcement of vega.
I'll put my autism away for now.
Kayden Scott
>Ram is approaching a 100% increase in price since last year
Kayden Cooper
Someone redpill me on getting used monitors? What is the upside? Should I do it to save money on my monitor?
Tyler Martin
>turn resolution to 4k >all huds become tiny
How to prevent this? Or do I have to set scaling in windows?
