/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
Currently worthwhile CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (i3 are only worthwhile for dwarf fortress and single-purpose emulator boxes >i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to R7/i7 >No R5 1400 unless discounted >i7-6700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5 >Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck) >R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use
Currently worthwhile GFX cards: >RX470-RX580, 1070, 1080, 1080TI >1060 is worth considering over a 580 if same/cheaper in your country, and/or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds >RX470/570 is usually all you need for 1080p@60hz. >Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm >Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX470, unless price/performance is better (discounted/used) >May for Vega
General: >No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with and report.
I haven't visited any speccy threads lately so I have no idea.
Lucas Adams
>user patch ye naw
Lucas Allen
Go with your Ubuntu install then, Xubuntu or Kubuntu are pretty good.
Nicholas Hernandez
Any russianons can recommend me a good ssd with 240gb? budget is 6000 roubles
Dominic James
Cхoдить в CCД-тхpeд /хaвэ/ нeльзя?
Eli Ramirez
>russian imageboards
Matthew Hughes
Comes to around $2000 Australian dollarooz.
Any recommendations/changes?
Dominic Adams
/hw/ is somewhat decent.
Blake White
>current state of windows
Sebastian Cruz
Non-K 7700? I'd opt for 1600/1600x and AM4 mobo then.
Cameron Edwards
>Goyvidia >Jewtel
Benjamin Martinez
I know that feel. Yeah, W10 is fucking bullshit but it's all fun and games until you get a couple dozen actual botnets and a bitcoin miner on the side for fiddling around with debloaters, user patches and unsigned drivers from god knows where.
Mason Carter
1070 is okay.
Lincoln Butler
>2000 odds >for Intel shit SSD and a Seagate I think that 1070 is eating up your budget.
Easton Davis
Will rx 580 8gb be bottlenecked with the G4560?
Alexander Edwards
I'd be happy to spend the xtra $50 for the 7700K do you have any viable advice or just memes? I'm open to other ideas user (1070 comes to $629)
Kayden James
>i7 absolute shit
Samuel Price
...
Mason Wilson
the i7 is shit you fucking mong theres your advice
Austin Foster
Looks okay. Seems like a lot for not much PC, though. I think you can make similar in the US for about $900. Not sure about Seagate, though. I haven't seen recent reliability numbers.
>I'd be happy to spend the xtra $50 for the 7700K But you have a 7700 there.
shitpost elsewhere.
Alexander Collins
If anything, it's overkill for 1080p@60 which is what I suspect you want to play at with that CPU. Scale down to a 470/570.
Michael Adams
I did temporarily but i couldn't get USB working at all. Was using ps/2. Just gave up and put Linux on it. It's not like many games or anything are even coming out and directx is going to die in the next year or two. Productivity stuff is better on Linux than windows anyway. For me at least.
Michael Lee
>Will rx 580 8gb be bottlenecked with the G4560? What do you think...? That's honestly such a dumb question. The G4560 can't keep over 60fps in a good deal of games, whereas the 580 can handle 1440p 60fps+ let alone 1080p. So yes, it will bottleneck it heavily in many games even at 1440p. If you want to stay over 60fps minimum in most games, you need at least a 1500X.
You should at most pair the G4560 with an RX560, 1050Ti, RX470, or simply use the iGPU.
Brody Richardson
>stuttering isnt a issue >power consumption isnt a issue >heat isnt a issue >deliding isnt a issue >the fact that it costs more than a 8 core isnt a issue
wew lad stop shilling for intel
Robert Roberts
Talk me out from replacing corsair cx750m for seasonic prime titanium 650. Please. I can afford it, and want it but still feels like a waste.
Cameron Sullivan
7700 don't stutter nearly as bad as i5s, tho. Maybe he doesn't play any of the games that the 7700 still stutter on. I haven't seen conclusive evidence that it's so problematic like on the 7600k and other i5s. One is GTAV, which is fine if you just frame rate limit it to 150fps. But maybe he should price out a 1600 and RX580 build and spend more on a monitor and shit instead.
Can't talk you out of that, senpai. That's a good purchase and the cx750m is pretty garbo. Though I'd probably get the 520w Seasonic fanless instead. Or one of the other brand models based on it that have some extra features.
Cooper Carter
Would I be satisfied with the i5-7600k if I intend to use it for gaming and normal desktop activities (watching movies/reading/shitposting) only, or should I get the i7-7700k just to be safe?
I don't plan on using more than 2 monitors(both 75hz), and I'll probably never use it as a workstation either
Ian Collins
you should get 1600x. seriously. $100 cheaper and no i5 downsides with all it's benefits.
Jacob Lopez
>7700 don't stutter nearly as bad as i5s stuttering is still stuttering, ryzen doesn't have this problem
Brody Lewis
4c/4t is garbage and a stutterfest in lots of games from the past few years. The 1600 is better on average in every way over the 7600k.
As for the 7700k, that's an option that's better than the 7600k but don't forget the delidding service, more expensive board, cooler, and so on that makes it cost more, on top of the lack of warranty.
Jaxon Campbell
I have a circuit thats based on Proto Stripboard. I built a couple and they work as designed. however I would like a cleaner board so was thinking express pcb or other place to make me some boards up. They have a designer however I am on a MAC and its for PC. If anyone knows of someone willing to help or can do it for a small fee let me know. I want to take the below circuit and add a DPDT relay as shown. I will also have another board I already have jumper wired to this board. This is what the circuit looks like... Any help or referrals will be appreciated...
Logan Rivera
What is going on, whole R5 line is available in salvlands except for 1600x. Damn you bourgeois!
Dominic Cook
whats that comic?
Evan Sullivan
That sucks since I heard the x version has no benefit over the normal one once you decide to oc
Sebastian Wood
Tons of people don't want to OC.
Apparently the 1600X and 1600 are both extremely popular. Jet had the 1600 for $190 initially, but since they restocked they're higher prices now.
Jaxon Anderson
>whats that comic? It comes in the box with MSI GPUs. At least the RX500 ones but I assume GTX cards would have a slightly different one.
Asher White
price-wise the 1600x isn't really that different from 7700k
Seems like the only reason why a person would get it is for the core and thread count, and I'm not sure if they're needed(?) for what I'm planning on doing.
(My budget is around £800, but I can go over to 900 if necessary)
Daniel Wood
>Apparently the 1600X and 1600 are both extremely popular. NOOOOOOOOO
Ian Ortiz
>X version don't getting the 1600 and overclocking yourself is a better route
Ryder Brown
Yeah it's a holdout killer. I see heaps of people with ancient PCs grabbing 1600s.
James Torres
The 7700k needs a more expensive motherboard and 180w+ TDP instead of 100-140w TDP cooler. Why are you comparing the CPU cost in a vacuum?
Colton Carter
>Yeah it's a holdout killer. I see heaps of people with ancient PCs grabbing 1600s. Yeah, it's the new 2500k of this past half-decade.
I want a 1600X though since I might not want to OC, or if I do for hopefully a slightly higher OC. I was hoping it'd go on sale quick like the 1800X did... but it's not looking like it will.
Asher Evans
Wtf England. It's $300 Vs $500 in Australia between 1600 and 7700k
Easton Hall
it's some sale, still more expensive than 1600x+B350 than 7700K+z270
cooler would be the same.
Luke Gomez
What did you expect? Its good and it's relatively cheap.
Josiah Foster
It's £195.99 minus VAT on Newegg UK, and VAT isn't £85. Guy is just lying or dumb. Go figure someone stupid would use that website he screenshotted from to begin with.
Andrew Butler
When is RX 560 supposed to come out?
Joseph Torres
Would it be better to get a decent non reference 1080 like the Galax HOF edition over a reference 1080ti and spend money on somewhere else like a better motherboard, ssd or memory coming from someone who plays on 1080p 144hz
Michael Thomas
I would also spend on monitor/ssd/psu/case first. Most people will change the GPU much more often than those components, especially when they go Nvidia.
Lucas King
It's probably the latter, since I hadn't even looked/heard of the site before
I've never build a computer myself, so I just assumed that I'd be alright if I used Ebay and amazon like usual
Good question! I had a built ready in pcpartpicker, but I forgot to save it before cleaning my cookies so I lost it, but as far I remember it was within the budget and everything looked like it'd go together pretty nicely.
I've also heard from people that getting the 7700k would be more beneficial for me in the future, so I don't mind spending the extra 150 for whatever I need. They also claimed that AMD is slow and lags like crazy, but that was a few months ago and.
Ayden Gonzalez
yes, a few months ago AMD was slow and lagged like crazy
Ayden Ortiz
Why would a 7700k be more beneficial in the future when so many games the past few years use up 95% on all 8 threads without it reaching 144fps?
Julian Richardson
95-100%*
Can't find a good comparison, though. Professional tech reviewers are too busy benchmarking 8 year old games.
Cooper Reyes
So going by these threads, the general consensus on the GTX 1080ti seems to be >Only buy if you have too much money or if you are an impatient chimpanzee
Did I get that right?
Anthony Gonzalez
>Why would a 7700k be more beneficial in the future It won't. More and more games and applications will be optimized for mutli core use in the future and this is where the 7700K will fall behind CPUs with more cores. If you want something futureproof i suggest you get a R5, R7 or 6800K if you're an Intel fuccboi.
Gabriel Thomas
I'd normally say that about Nvidia's top end cards. Though the 1080Ti is actually decent performance/$. It's just that Vega will almost surely be a better buy even without the Gsync-idiot-tax.
Kevin Williams
I've come into some money (UK) and my PC has issues with the motherboard ethernet (z97 gaming 3) and needs an upgrade, problem is that I will need to get new RAM and CPU along with it.
I'm planning to get an i5 7600k with 16GB RAM and 6 SATA slots. Mainly gaming with plans to get a 1440p monitor. Recommendations?
Logan Rivera
>i5 7600K Shit choice. Get R5 1600. Also, if it's only your ethernet, why not simply get a PCI adapter?
Isaiah Edwards
Why don't you read the OP? i5s aren't worth considering for any purpose.
Ayden Gutierrez
I need advice on what AM4 motherboard to get: >not more than € 200 >overclocking a 8 core cpu >single gpu >excellent audio >good fan profile support >at least 6 sata connectors >good RAM support
What are my options?
Hudson Gray
>overclocking a 8 core cpu Get one with 4 real VRMs and a heat sink, or 5 or 6 real VRMs if you're worried about VRM cooling. But really the pro 4's 3 doubled VRMs are generally fine. >excellent audio Get a DAC. If you want to be a bitch about it, then just look at ones that have the audio shielded and on its own PCB layer. >at least 6 sata connectors hard to say since some having a SATA disable for each m.2 in use. But you can easily filter your search for that. >good RAM support They all seem fine now. >good fan profile support They pretty much all have many 4 pin fan connectors and a fan control utility.
Landon Wilson
>main issue usb support which means if I have a dvd drive I can install it from the dvd instead? neat
Jayden Ross
Gigabyte Gaming 3 or Asus X370 Pro. Both have good VRM, good audio (ALC1220), good fan profiles, SATA idk, Gigabyte may have less than 6 and RAM... well, pick your poison. Imho get the Asus X370 for better OC and more SATA ports, it should be like 150 bucks.
Luke Perry
Hi Sup Forumsuys
So, im gonna buy the i7 7700 today but in my local hardware store there is no stock of 2400mhz ram.
>There is no problem using 2666mhz ram? Because my i7 only supports 2133 and 2400
Aiden Anderson
You can use faster RAM with it with a Z270 board. I'm not sure if 2666 will downclock to 2400 automatically on a B250 board or if it'll drop all the way down to 2133.
Jace Sullivan
Thoughts on this micro ATX build? Its not for gaming, GPU only for additional outputs.
Fractal Design Mini MSI B350M AMD Ryzen 5 1400 R7 240 - for extra outputs Corsair H100i AIO 650W PSU 8GB DDR4
Christopher Powell
That is my case I will buy a B250 mobo
Joshua Scott
>1400 >H100i >650w PSU what th fefuck
Connor Morgan
Should i go for a 1500X or 1600?
Mason Thomas
What is your budget and your build purpose? Especially programs that you will mostly use.
Jack Perry
If there are no beeps whwn starting, fans spin, and you are sure psu works, how do i get to know if it's cpu or mobo dead? Cpu heatsink is really cold after half an hour of working
Jeremiah Davis
1500X at the very least. 1400 isn't really worth considering unless it's
Blake Stewart
I also replaced cmos battery
Dominic Davis
Even if I disable ethernet I still get a huge hang on login
Posting from work so only read the first few sentences
>userbenchmark Yeah, you're clueless. How do you even wind up at such a retarded ass site?
Landon Roberts
I'll look into the asrock ab350 pro4, thanks.
I'll check these out as well. Any reason you didn't mention the Asrock X370 K4?
Henry Ward
It's probably mobo. CPUs can usually outlast severial motherboards.
Buy 1600 if you just can afford it, extra two cores are well worth the price. But if you can't afford it then don't be too sad, 1500X is not too bad either.
Samuel Perez
>upgradeing from a haswell i5 retard
Luke James
We don't know details about its VRM yet. Especially after it came out that ASRock is using a 3 phase on their B350 boards i'd be cautious with their boards. Only proven to be good ones are Taichi and Prpfessional Gaming, but they are expensive.
Julian Harris
1600 and overclock it
Jaxon Martinez
Does crossfire suffer from microstutters just like SLI?
Angel Campbell
Honestly I just googled 'X v Y' and picked the first thing.
>upgradeing >eing Stones and glasses house user. But if you mean I should just stick with the CPU and therefore the socket, I'll just look for a 1150 motherboard and keep my RAM/CPU.
Ethan Ortiz
570 vs 480 if price is the same? Which is better?
Lincoln Johnson
480 probably if it's one with 8Gbps memory. Depends on the model and a bunch of shit.
I know that review, but it isn't conclusive. Is it 4phase doubled to 8, or is it the same shady shit ASRock pulled with the Pro4 / K4 by simply putting doubling the components in each phase to make it look like a 6 phase although it's a 3 phase. Another thing is that they use NIKOS MOSFETs OR SinoPower, seemingly depending on region or random. It's a shady and bad practice.
Xavier Rogers
Doesn't look like the Pro4s to me. Those are large mosfets and chokes.
Even if it is fucking "shadily hur dur" doubling like the Pro4, the pro4 will perfectly happily handle 1.45v vcore since the design runs cooler despite being 3 phases.
Nathaniel Wright
Current won't be as stable as with 4 true phases, also MOSFETs one the X370 K4 are the same, chokes are probably different since they advertise them if i'm not wrong? >1.45v That's not something i'd run 24/7, especially not on a 3 phase B350 board.
Landon Mitchell
>That's not something i'd run 24/7 No shit. Which goes to show how more than good enough the Pro4's phases are. I think they're probably just as good as 4 decent real phases if not slightly better. > especially not on a 3 phase B350 board. Here I don't get wtf you're saying. The VRMs can handle it. It's just more than you'd want to give to the CPU.
Even the MSI GAMING PRO's 3 phases are probably enough, since it at least has a heatsink. That's the only thing I'd say is a requirement for overclocking the 4 or 6 cores, is that it has a heatsink for the VRMs. But I'm pretty sure you could still get decent OCs on the 8 cores still on those modest boards.
I got my pro 4 and I'll let you know when I get my CPU I guess. But many people have shown that 5 or 6 phases is complete overkill even on the 8 cores. Boards like the Taichi with its 16 small phases are made to deliver what.. like 350-450watts? Those are LN2 boards. Seriously, just avoid the ones without heatsinks and you'll be fine, though personally I wouldn't go with 3 cheap phases like the MSI GAMING PRO.
Ryder Hughes
>CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHZ Box
>Motherboard: Asus H170 Pro Gaming
>Hard-drive: HDD 1TB SATA3 + SSD 240GB SATA3
>RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V Red DDR4 2133 PC4-17000 16GB 2x8GB CL15
>GFX: Asus Dual GTX 1060 OC 6GB GDDR5
What do anons think? I know it might not be the best, since we could only afford 1200€ for this so far, but I know it makes a difference to my previous PC, because it can run DOOM 2016 and Dark Souls 3 fine, aside of some other games.
>obviously prebuilt from PCComponentes
Cooper Green
Really bad. Everything about it is bad. It even looks bad.
You must be trolling. I'd be ashamed to post that if it were mine.
Do I need to buy a wireless card for this? I cannot hook it up via ethernet
Noah Hernandez
>~$1300 for that thing You're massively overpaying in exchange for someone putting the parts and system together for you. You'd be significantly better off putting in the time and research to building it yourself and picking out the parts.
If that still sounds too daunting, there are plenty of places that will put together your computer for you for a fee, and it will still end up cheaper/faster than that.
Ryan Diaz
>pcpartpicker.com/list/DGP8wV >not dual channel memory >$125 for a 1050Ti >shit EVGA PSU that's not semimodular instead of the M12II
fix those
Carter Martinez
Rx 470 is $200 minimum. I've switched out the ram, please rec a psu
